BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Is it safe to use Mike's XP Theme manager in Delphi 6? Goto page 1, 2  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Thirdparty Tools (General) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Koms Bomb Guest Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:19 am    Post subject: Is it safe to use Mike's XP Theme manager in Delphi 6? That component can be found here, I found it today, http://www.lischke-online.de/ThemeManager.php Seems it's cool. But I also found some bugs report in its forum (many of which are not replied). Does anyone here have experience with this component? Is it stable enough? I don't want any third party component gives out random AV or other errors. To D6 developers: how do you use XP manifest? I embed the manifest resource in my app, but it looks a little strange, eg, in the page control. Is that component the only solution for XP style? Or there is any other solution? Any advice is appreciated. Back to top Franz-Leo Chomse Guest Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:30 am    Post subject: Re: Is it safe to use Mike's XP Theme manager in Delphi 6? Quote: To D6 developers: how do you use XP manifest? I embed the manifest resource in my app, but it looks a little strange, eg, in the page control. Is that component the only solution for XP style? Or there is any other solution? Mike's component was the base for the one included in Delphi 7. Problematic are all owner drawn section of components, since these are not infected by adding a manifest and therefore need an updated version the control or patching.. Regards from Germany Franz-Leo Back to top Jens Gruschel Guest Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 3:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Is it safe to use Mike's XP Theme manager in Delphi 6? Quote: Do you have some money to spend? www.link-rank.com and its completely safe I cannot see why these components should be better than Mike's. Can you explain? Jens Back to top Franz-Leo Chomse Guest Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Is it safe to use Mike's XP Theme manager in Delphi 6? On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:29:36 -0700, "Koms Bomb" <komsbomb (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: "Franz-Leo Chomse" <franz-leo.chomse (AT) samac (DOT) de> wrote in message news:tg4nd1lkgtahqu6gqftg6f6djgvn5tmahn (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... Mike's component was the base for the one included in Delphi 7. Problematic are all owner drawn section of components, since these are not infected by adding a manifest and therefore need an updated version the control or patching.. Sorry, I can't understand that. Could you explain it more detailed? If a Delphi component paints part of itself by its own (OwnerDraw) or if an OnPaint Event is active this code is responsible for reacting to the XP Themes. If the code does not react even the addition of a manifest does not change anything and the XP look and feel is interrupted. Thus a XP Theme Manager has to patch the standard Delphi components which are not merely wrappers around the MS common controls. Regards from Germany Franz-Leo Back to top Jens Gruschel Guest Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Is it safe to use Mike's XP Theme manager in Delphi 6? Quote: Well, this is different. The VCLSkin V3 is a skinning library, which adds individual skins. I see. So it's something I don't need. Jens Back to top Jason Guest Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Is it safe to use Mike's XP Theme manager in Delphi 6? Do you have some money to spend? www.link-rank.com and its completely safe "Koms Bomb" <komsbomb (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: That component can be found here, I found it today, http://www.lischke-online.de/ThemeManager.php Seems it's cool. But I also found some bugs report in its forum (many of which are not replied). Does anyone here have experience with this component? Is it stable enough? I don't want any third party component gives out random AV or other errors. To D6 developers: how do you use XP manifest? I embed the manifest resource in my app, but it looks a little strange, eg, in the page control. Is that component the only solution for XP style? Or there is any other solution? Any advice is appreciated. Back to top Tim Sullivan Guest Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Is it safe to use Mike's XP Theme manager in Delphi 6? Quote: Regardless how well the app is skinned it will always be a stranger in the system. I could not agree more. Also, it makes for a tech support NIGHTMARE. Support: "Click the X on the left, near the bottom" User: "Uh, there isn't an X there." Support: "Oh. Um, is the program green and yellow?" User: "Well, there is some green and yellow, but it's mostly cornflower blue." Support: "OK, so you've changed the skin. Look for an X on the form." User: "Form?" Support: "You know, the program." User: "There isn't any X anywhere." .... And why is there no X? Because the guy who made the skin prefered the infinity symbol. Gah, it curls my hair just thinking about it. Usability? We don't need no stinking usability! -- Tim Sullivan Unlimited Intelligence Limited http://www.uil.net Back to top Ivan Pastine Guest Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Is it safe to use Mike's XP Theme manager in Delphi 6? Lmd tools (www.lmd.de) comes with a unit LMDXPRes which you add to the uses part of any unit in your project and it takes care of the manifest stuff. Nothing you couldn't do by hand but MUCH easier. I believe (but am not certain) that the free version of LMD tools comes with this. What this means is that any components which are based on the standard windows controls will use XP themes. So for daily life the problem is solved. But as has been noted some component sets do their own drawing in which case you would need a skin library to skin them. Ivan Back to top Jason Guest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:58 am    Post subject: Re: Is it safe to use Mike's XP Theme manager in Delphi 6? Believe me, it doesnt worth - it worths to buy one. "Koms Bomb" <komsbomb (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: "Jason" <jason851 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:42db9205$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Do you have some money to spend? www.link-rank.com and its completely safe No. I'm used to search for free component. If I can't get one, I will, 1, Don't use any that kind of component, or, 2, Use some simpler free component, or, 3, If it worth that, I'll write my own one. Back to top Koms Bomb Guest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:29 am    Post subject: Re: Is it safe to use Mike's XP Theme manager in Delphi 6? "Franz-Leo Chomse" <franz-leo.chomse (AT) samac (DOT) de> wrote Quote: Mike's component was the base for the one included in Delphi 7. Problematic are all owner drawn section of components, since these are not infected by adding a manifest and therefore need an updated version the control or patching.. Sorry, I can't understand that. Could you explain it more detailed? Back to top Koms Bomb Guest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:31 am    Post subject: Re: Is it safe to use Mike's XP Theme manager in Delphi 6? "Jason" <jason851 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Do you have some money to spend? www.link-rank.com and its completely safe No. I'm used to search for free component. If I can't get one, I will, 1, Don't use any that kind of component, or, 2, Use some simpler free component, or, 3, If it worth that, I'll write my own one. Back to top Koms Bomb Guest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:50 am    Post subject: Re: Is it safe to use Mike's XP Theme manager in Delphi 6? Quote: Lmd tools (www.lmd.de) comes with a unit LMDXPRes which you add to the uses part of any unit in your project and it takes care of the manifest stuff. Nothing you couldn't do by hand but MUCH easier. I believe (but am not certain) that the free version of LMD tools comes with this. What this means is that any components which are based on the standard windows controls will use XP themes. So for daily life the problem is solved. But as has been noted some component sets do their own drawing in which case you would need a skin library to skin them. Seems that only add the XP manifest resource. That's easy for me to do myself. My problem is the VCL is not compatible with XP theme, so some of the component like TTabSheet looks a little strange. Mike's XP Theme Manager can patch that, but I don't know whether it's stable enough. Back to top Koms Bomb Guest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:54 am    Post subject: Re: Is it safe to use Mike's XP Theme manager in Delphi 6? "Tim Sullivan" <tim (AT) NO (DOT) SPAM.uil.FOR.ME.net> wrote Quote: Regardless how well the app is skinned it will always be a stranger in the system. I could not agree more. Also, it makes for a tech support NIGHTMARE. It depends on your product. If your program is a file or system utility, skin is not necessary and it may be nasty for the user. But if your program is media player, or some chat client, some skin is not too bad. Back to top Jens Gruschel Guest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:41 am    Post subject: Re: Is it safe to use Mike's XP Theme manager in Delphi 6? Quote: It depends on your product. If your program is a file or system utility, skin is not necessary and it may be nasty for the user. But if your program is media player, or some chat client, some skin is not too bad. I think you are right. I like the normal (XP) look for most applications. But I also like my Trillian skin. Jens Back to top Jens Gruschel Guest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:49 am    Post subject: Re: Is it safe to use Mike's XP Theme manager in Delphi 6? Quote: Seems that only add the XP manifest resource. That's easy for me to do myself. My problem is the VCL is not compatible with XP theme, so some of the component like TTabSheet looks a little strange. Mike's XP Theme Manager can patch that, but I don't know whether it's stable enough. It is. I'm using it for years now. The only times the theme manager raised an exception, was when I did something wrong (doing certain things to certain controls before the handle was created, moving the code from TForm.OnCreate to TForm.OnShow usually solves it). But why don't you simply try it? Add a manifest to your application and drop the theme component onto the main form. Usually that works perfectly (sometimes I had to disable subclassing for panels, because they did look strange, but that's done by changing a single property of the component). 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