BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Is Lazarus becoming a viable alternative ? Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Guest Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:12 am    Post subject: Is Lazarus becoming a viable alternative ? Thomas Miller <tmiller (AT) bss-software (DOT) com> writes: Quote: #4 - We all love programming in Object Pascal and most of us still want to deliver native aps. There isn't much else out there to use for mission critical native aps. Lazarus and FreePascal could be in 12 to 18 months if enough of us jumped on the project. I just emerged Lazarus and tried it again. It seems to have improved dramatically since I last tried it. And even better, it appears fast and stable on my Gentoo box. So if Borland eventually abandon Dahlia, it is nice to know that there will be an alternative. Back to top Nils Boedeker Guest Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 6:13 am    Post subject: Re: Is Lazarus becoming a viable alternative ? Hi Quote: I just emerged Lazarus and tried it again. It seems to have improved dramatically since I last tried it. And even better, it appears fast and stable on my Gentoo box. So if Borland eventually abandon Dahlia, it is nice to know that there will be an alternative. the "statments" of the borland managment will give lazarus and freepascal a push because this statments make the delphi-user feel insecure (nobody like to be a cash cow with bad future prospects) an force them to looking for alternatives... Nils Bödeker _________________________________ Verlag Eugen Ulmer Datenbanken und IT-Entwicklung Nils Bödeker Bürgerwohlsweg 7 D-28215 Bremen Germany Tel: +49 (0)421 - 3795020 Fax: +49 (0)421 - 3795021 Mobil: +49 (0) 172 - 7468066 [email]nboedeker (AT) ulmer (DOT) de[/email] www.ulmer.de yahoo ID: nilsboedeker Skype ID: nilsboedeker ICQ ID: 206474523 Back to top Larry Wadsworth Guest Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:58 am    Post subject: Re: Is Lazarus becoming a viable alternative ? <rambam (AT) bigpond (DOT) net.au> wrote Quote: I just emerged Lazarus and tried it again. It seems to have improved dramatically since I last tried it. And even better, it appears fast and stable on my Gentoo box. So if Borland eventually abandon Dahlia, it is nice to know that there will be an alternative. And what about 3rd party components? I don't know about anyone else, but I use a bunch of them. So without these components, how is this going to be an alternative for me? Regards, Larry Wadsworth Back to top dk_sz Guest Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 10:50 am    Post subject: Re: Is Lazarus becoming a viable alternative ? Quote: So if Borland eventually abandon Dahlia, it is nice to know that there will be an alternative. If Delphi was dropped I think it would be cheaper for me to join the Lazarus project than rewrite all my code. best regards Thomas Back to top Francois Malan Guest Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 11:19 am    Post subject: Re: Is Lazarus becoming a viable alternative ? dk_sz wrote: Quote: So if Borland eventually abandon Dahlia, it is nice to know that there will be an alternative. If Delphi was dropped I think it would be cheaper for me to join the Lazarus project than rewrite all my code. best regards Thomas Not that I believe Borland will drop Delphi, but, if they did. Lets assume it is after Highlander, I will surely get along for a long time with Delphi for W32/.Net development. Many people still use Delphi 5 - about 5 years later. Even if Win64 becomes more mainstream, 32bit apps will still have a long shelf life IMO. Back to top Guest Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 11:49 am    Post subject: Re: Is Lazarus becoming a viable alternative ? "Larry Wadsworth" <lgwsoftware____at____earthlink.net> writes: Quote: And what about 3rd party components? I don't know about anyone else, but I use a bunch of them. So without these components, how is this going to be an alternative for me? http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php/Code_And_Components Not many yet but the number appears to be growing. There also seem to be efforts underway to port Delphi components to Lazarus. -- Seek simplicity and mistrust it. Alfred Whitehead A witty saying proves nothing. Voltaire Back to top Tony Caduto Guest Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Lazarus becoming a viable alternative ? I know Zeos database components and Virtual tree view have been ported. The more people that use lazarus, the more components will be ported. Quote: And what about 3rd party components? I don't know about anyone else, but I use a bunch of them. So without these components, how is this going to be an alternative for me? -- Tony Caduto http://www.amsoftwaredesign.com Home of PG Lightning Admin for Postgresql 8.x Back to top Guest Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Lazarus becoming a viable alternative ? Ingvar Nilsen <my.adress (AT) my (DOT) signature> writes: Quote: If Delphi was dropped You would still have it. Some people still use D5, D6 not to mention D7. Wonder how long it still would be of current interest for developing new applications? I suspect that some would use it for a decade or more. However, the number of developers using it would drop exponentially. Back to top Ingvar Nilsen Guest Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Lazarus becoming a viable alternative ? dk_sz wrote: Quote: So if Borland eventually abandon Dahlia, it is nice to know that there will be an alternative. If Delphi was dropped You would still have it. Some people still use D5, D6 not to mention D7. Wonder how long it still would be of current interest for developing new applications? -- Ingvar Nilsen http://www.ingvarius.com Back to top Eric Schreiber Guest Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 3:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Lazarus becoming a viable alternative ? Larry Wadsworth wrote: Quote: And what about 3rd party components? I don't know about anyone else, but I use a bunch of them. So without these components, how is this going to be an alternative for me? Yeah. I use DevEx and NexusDB extensively. If I can't have them, I ain't going :) Back to top Max Guest Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 3:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Lazarus becoming a viable alternative ? Definitely: YES!!! Lazarus/FPC is ... -first choice on Linux -a kind of "backup" when Delphi would die -free of charge -helps to avaiod the .Net hell Back to top Thomas Miller Guest Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 3:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Lazarus becoming a viable alternative ? The biggest problem with Lazarus is not the IDE or compiler, but the VCL. It really needs help. There are actually things I like better about the Lazarus IDE. http://sourceforge.net/projects/uopl/ I started a project for creating a universal VCL. Why? #1 Borland doesn't update the VCL very much. There reasoning is to make sure they don't break any old code. I like living dangerously and don't mind spending a week on my code to get several hundred important improvements to the VCL. #2 If you rely heavily on the VCL, you can't easily move from Delphi, to Lazarus, to Chrome. With a common VCL interface and some if def'ing, I would be able to decide at the drop of a hat which product I want to use to compile / use a delivery mechanism for my code base. I have already gotten permission from the creator of TNT to use his components as a starting point. I already worked with the Lazarus and Free Pascal project to clean up their licensing so that this project could be used for commercial purposes. I have a handful of people willing to work on this project, but we need more then a handful. I also keep running into, I only care about Delphi, or Lazarus, or what ever and multiple projects get started that could be hosted in one place and a universal library could become a reality. Until this happens for Object Pascal, it will always be a step behind C and C++, that have lots of these libraries around. Of course I have done all this work, plus all the seminars, and dbExpresPlus, because I don't care about Delphi. Right Kyle. If we could get about 20 people willing to work on this project, I think it would be amazing for people that love Object Pascal. The two main goals of the project are to add Unicode and 64bit ness to the VCL. A secondary goal is to convert all the components into "Super" components. I have said several times I have this great Page Control, I plan on re-writing it from the Lazarus VCL (they call theirs the LCL), so I can distribute it freely. And yes a main goal of the project is to be compatible with Delphi!!! [email]rambam (AT) bigpond (DOT) net.au[/email] wrote: Quote: Thomas Miller <tmiller (AT) bss-software (DOT) com> writes: #4 - We all love programming in Object Pascal and most of us still want to deliver native aps. There isn't much else out there to use for mission critical native aps. Lazarus and FreePascal could be in 12 to 18 months if enough of us jumped on the project. I just emerged Lazarus and tried it again. It seems to have improved dramatically since I last tried it. And even better, it appears fast and stable on my Gentoo box. So if Borland eventually abandon Dahlia, it is nice to know that there will be an alternative. -- Thomas Miller Wash DC Delphi SIG Chairperson Delphi Client/Server Certified Developer BSS Accounting & Distribution Software BSS Enterprise Accounting FrameWork http://www.bss-software.com http://www.cpcug.org/user/delphi/index.html http://sourceforge.net/projects/uopl/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/dbexpressplus Back to top Thomas Miller Guest Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 3:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Lazarus becoming a viable alternative ? I NexusDB is interested in Lazarus, but I think that is on the back burner as they are doing some work to support Chrome. Eric Schreiber wrote: Quote: Larry Wadsworth wrote: And what about 3rd party components? I don't know about anyone else, but I use a bunch of them. So without these components, how is this going to be an alternative for me? Yeah. I use DevEx and NexusDB extensively. If I can't have them, I ain't going :) -- Thomas Miller Wash DC Delphi SIG Chairperson Delphi Client/Server Certified Developer BSS Accounting & Distribution Software BSS Enterprise Accounting FrameWork http://www.bss-software.com http://www.cpcug.org/user/delphi/index.html https://sourceforge.net/projects/uopl/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/dbexpressplus Back to top Max Guest Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 3:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Lazarus becoming a viable alternative ? Thomas Miller wrote: Quote: it would be amazing for people that love Object Pascal. The two main goals of the project are to add Unicode and 64bit ness to the VCL. A secondary goal is to convert all the components into "Super" components. I have said several times I have this great Page Control, I plan on re-writing it from the Lazarus VCL (they call theirs the LCL), so I can distribute it freely. And yes a main goal of the project is to be compatible with Delphi!!! Put your power into the Lazarus project. You need not reinvent the wheel. There are some efforts to bring the LCL into the VCL direction (including 64 bit and cross platform ability). Back to top Max Guest Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Lazarus becoming a viable alternative ? [email]rambam (AT) bigpond (DOT) net.au[/email] wrote: Quote: I just emerged Lazarus and tried it again. It seems to have improved dramatically since I last tried it. 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