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Also, Open Office has stifled all competition and innovation. http://www.xaraxtreme.org/faqs.html Back to top Ben Hochstrasser Guest Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:03 am    Post subject: Re: Is open sourcing really the solution ? Oliver Townshend wrote: Quote: Yes, and Linux has pretty much killed off its competitors too. So what? Only so many pieces of software can survive and dominate. Reminds me of that Sempé cartoon where a wife asks her hobby astronomer husband "if there is really intelligent life out there, why of all people should they contact /you/?" You really believe a potential Open Office customer would have bought a word processor from a one man show programmer shop? -- Ben Back to top Ben Hochstrasser Guest Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:03 am    Post subject: Re: Is open sourcing really the solution ? HB wrote: Quote: Also, Open Office has stifled all competition and innovation. Of course. -- Ben Back to top Henrick Hellström [Stream Guest Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:03 am    Post subject: Re: Is open sourcing really the solution ? HB wrote: Quote: Also, Open Office has stifled all competition and innovation. Absolutely. MS Office is dead. ....rrrright Back to top Oliver Townshend Guest Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:03 am    Post subject: Re: Is open sourcing really the solution ? Quote: Also, Open Office has stifled all competition and innovation. Yes, and Linux has pretty much killed off its competitors too. So what? Only so many pieces of software can survive and dominate. Oliver Townshend Back to top Robert Marquardt Guest Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:36 am    Post subject: Re: Is open sourcing really the solution ? HB wrote: Quote: I just noticed that Xara (graphics app) went open source (out of despair). I don't think giving away innovation is a good solution, this makes things only worse, especially for smaller competitors (we cannot all work for free, can't we, no other industry is so silly) No license will prevent stealing code. They should network in a different, but commercial way, but they are too lazy to find it. And they won't make any money from this move. What do you think? Also, Open Office has stifled all competition and innovation. http://www.xaraxtreme.org/faqs.html You are parading the common misconceptions about software. Most programmers do not work on programs which are sold. They write custom inhouse software. Most programmers do not develop a single innovative algorithm. See my free HID component. It allows many Dephi programmers to access HID devices. It is MPL 1.1 so it can be used in commercial applications. I do know that at least 20 programmers have used it in commercial applications. Now did i stifle competition or not? Yes, nobody else cares to write another HID component; no, many programmers could complete their projects much easier and earn money. Back to top A Programmer Guest Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:03 am    Post subject: Re: Is open sourcing really the solution ? On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 01:06:54 +0100, "HB" <nvalidHansBieland@t-online.de> wrote: Quote: And they won't make any money from this move. What do you think? Coding isn't all about making money. In fact, life isn't all about making money. Like I've said, who wants to deal with the infrastructure and garbage that comes with trying to make money? Very few. Being a success in the programming world to be able to support one's self almost has the same chance as getting into pro sports. And the outlay of money just makes things all the harder to truly enjoy programming - you have to love business more than programming to really make that move. I know that from experience back when I was working - the layers of management and the costing issues and everything can just sap all the joy that can be had out of programming. Of course, you got to go with your skills, and I look for some steady work even now, and I hope that comes soon. The chance of making money is very nil it seems, even for a custom software-type job. Back to top tony caduto Guest Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:03 am    Post subject: Re: Is open sourcing really the solution ? HB wrote: Quote: I just noticed that Xara (graphics app) went open source (out of despair). I don't think giving away innovation is a good solution, this makes things only worse, especially for smaller competitors (we cannot all work for free, can't we, no other industry is so silly) No license will prevent stealing code. They should network in a different, but commercial way, but they are too lazy to find it. And they won't make any money from this move. What do you think? Also, Open Office has stifled all competition and innovation. http://www.xaraxtreme.org/faqs.html I know first hand the open source crowd is super cheap, they wont pay a fair price for anything that can be had else where for free, even if the free software sucks. -- Tony Caduto AM Software Design Home of PG Lightning Admin for Postgresql http://www.amsoftwaredesign.com Back to top William Meyer Guest Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:03 am    Post subject: Re: Is open sourcing really the solution ? tony caduto wrote: Quote: Also, Open Office has stifled all competition and innovation. And there you go... the blessings of open source. -- Bill Back to top luxspes Guest Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Is open sourcing really the solution ? Oliver Townshend wrote: Quote: Also, Open Office has stifled all competition and innovation. Yes, and Linux has pretty much killed off its competitors too. So what? Microsoft kills most of its competitors... Opensource(Linux) kills most of its competitors... Microsoft compete with Opensource(Linux) Opensource(Linux) competes with Microsoft Call me crazy... but I think there is contradiction here... (or maybe Linux an Microsoft killed each other and now the software world is controlled by zombies) Quote: Only so many pieces of software can survive and dominate. Oliver Townshend Back to top luxspes Guest Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Is open sourcing really the solution ? Yes, and GNOME and KDE have killed Windows and PostgreSQL has killed Oracle and PHP+Perl dominate the enterprise development world and have killed ..NET and Java and... hey... there is a pink elphant right there... flying in the violet sky... and what a beautifull green sun we are having today... Henrick Hellström [StreamSec] wrote: Quote: HB wrote: Also, Open Office has stifled all competition and innovation. Absolutely. MS Office is dead. ....rrrright Back to top Paul Nichols (TeamB) Guest Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:13 am    Post subject: Re: Is open sourcing really the solution ? tony caduto wrote: Quote: I know first hand the open source crowd is super cheap, they wont pay a fair price for anything that can be had else where for free, even if the free software sucks. I am sure glad you speak for me. Don't know what I would do, if I had an independent mind to decide what works and what doesn't. :) Actually most Open Source Developers are open to what works best for them. Who doesn't prefer Open Source, if it is 80-90-100% as good as commercial? If it sucks, I personally delete it. And yes, I have used some Open Source software that simply sucked. But I have also used some that were better than their commercial counterparts. I use Open Source products like Linux, Open Solaris, Apache, Tomcat, JBoss, DIA, Open Office, mySQL, Firebird, Postgres, Project Manager, Firefox, Thunderbird, etc. not only because they are free, but because they are as good or better than their commercial counterparts. I also use C++ Builder, Delphi, VMWare, and JBuilder and last time I checked, none of these were free. Could it be that as an Open Source advocate, I do not fit those you know first hand? (BTW, meant to be taken with a smile). Back to top Marco van de Voort Guest Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Is open sourcing really the solution ? On 2006-03-20, Paul Nichols (TeamB) <paul (AT) comp (DOT) net> wrote: Quote: tony caduto wrote: I know first hand the open source crowd is super cheap, they wont pay a fair price for anything that can be had else where for free, even if the free software sucks. I am sure glad you speak for me. Don't know what I would do, if I had an independent mind to decide what works and what doesn't. :) Actually most Open Source Developers are open to what works best for them. Who doesn't prefer Open Source, if it is 80-90-100% as good as commercial? If it sucks, I personally delete it. And yes, I have used some Open Source software that simply sucked. But I have also used some that were better than their commercial counterparts. I use Open Source products like Linux, Open Solaris, Apache, Tomcat, JBoss, DIA, Open Office, mySQL, Firebird, Postgres, Project Manager, Firefox, Thunderbird, etc. not only because they are free, but because they are as good or better than their commercial counterparts. I also use C++ Builder, Delphi, VMWare, and JBuilder and last time I checked, none of these were free. While I 100% agree, I'd make a small addition. I use some minor applications freeware (or Open Source, but the base principle is more zero costs also in corporations), simply so that I can install them on the first day in a new job/at a new customer without worrying about licenses. A good example is DIA. I use dia for braindread internal drawing jobs and sketches, just to avoid having-to-have Visio. (which not every company has licenses for). Of course if I really have to deliver drawings/docs to customers I migrate to other options if necessary. The same for components (Delphiwise) that I have a fair chance of needing in each product. Not that I wouldn't use commercial components if I had no option, but if possible I select the free ones even if they have some minor setbacks. Simply so that I can take them with me if I change employers, and simply because they are usually maintained for a longer period of time. Back to top Rene Tschaggelar Guest Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Is open sourcing really the solution ? HB wrote: Quote: I just noticed that Xara (graphics app) went open source (out of despair). I don't think giving away innovation is a good solution, this makes things only worse, especially for smaller competitors (we cannot all work for free, can't we, no other industry is so silly) No license will prevent stealing code. They should network in a different, but commercial way, but they are too lazy to find it. And they won't make any money from this move. What do you think? Also, Open Office has stifled all competition and innovation. It is always interesting to rip off customers with some undocumented functionality that is poorly coded. Stealing code ? - Redoing trivialities? 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