BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Is the delphi upgrade license a rip off??? Goto page 1, 2  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Shane Guest Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 11:45 am    Post subject: Is the delphi upgrade license a rip off??? I'm buying a Delphi 7-8 upgrade. I've spoke a couple of resellers and they tell me that if I buy an upgrade the license that comes with it will only cover Delphi 7 and 8 but I will not be able to use my copy of Delphi 6 under this license agreement. If this is true it would mean all of further development on legacy code would have to be done in either 7 or 8. Could somebody let me know if this is the case. Back to top marc hoffman Guest Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 12:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Is the delphi upgrade license a rip off??? Clay, Quote: Doesn't your copy of D6 have its own license agreement? I think those resellers are on drugs--such a stipulation would be like buying a new car and the auto manufacturer forcing you to stop driving your trusty old pickup. That analogy is flawed, since you're not "upgrading" your trusty old pickup to a new car, you're simply buying a new additional car. For instance, you could still sell your old car to somebody else, something you pretty clearly are /not/ allowed to do with a software you upgraded from. That said, i agree that those resellers must be on drugs, as upgrading to a new version of Delphi has always allowed you to keep using the old version in parallel to the new one (provided that you are using it yourself, and aren't giving it to someone else to use). Back to top Shane Guest Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 12:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Is the delphi upgrade license a rip off??? Thats what I would have thought, but the resellers have told me the only way I can carry on using my copy of Delphi 6 is to buy a Full copy of 7-8. I had a look on the borland web site and can't find any information on it. Sounds crazy to me, but if this its not a mistake I would say Borland are ripping all the loyal developers who keep them in business. "Sierra Spartacus" <bclayshannon (AT) somewhereovertherainbow (DOT) com> wrote in message news:40ac9f3a$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: "Shane" <shanesawyerRemoveThis (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:40ac9a5b (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... I'm buying a Delphi 7-8 upgrade. I've spoke a couple of resellers and they tell me that if I buy an upgrade the license that comes with it will only cover Delphi 7 and 8 but I will not be able to use my copy of Delphi 6 under this license agreement. Doesn't your copy of D6 have its own license agreement? I think those resellers are on drugs--such a stipulation would be like buying a new car and the auto manufacturer forcing you to stop driving your trusty old pickup. -- Clay Shannon, author of the novel "the Wacky Misadventures of Warble McGorkle" Now available on amazon.com: http://tinyurl.com/ysran Back to top Dave Nottage (TeamB) Guest Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 12:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Is the delphi upgrade license a rip off??? Shane wrote: Quote: Thats what I would have thought, but the resellers have told me the only way I can carry on using my copy of Delphi 6 is to buy a Full copy of 7-8. They're wrong. Quote: I had a look on the borland web site and can't find any information on it. That's because they're wrong. Quote: Sounds crazy to me, but if this its not a mistake.. It *is* a mistake for resellers to tell you that. -- Dave Nottage (TeamB) Back to top Finn Tolderlund Guest Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 12:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Is the delphi upgrade license a rip off??? The Delphi 7 license.txt in the BorlandDelphi7 folder has this to say: == quote begin == 4.5 ADDITIONAL LICENSE TERMS APPLICABLE TO UPGRADES If you have purchased an upgrade version of the Product, it constitutes a single product with the copy of the Product that you upgraded. This means that, although you may have two sets of Product media, you still have only one license. Therefore, you may not transfer the original copy of the Product to any other party. == quote end == It does not say that you may not use the old Delphi versions. The way I understand this you may still use the old Delphi version. Which is only logical, because if the new and old Delphi version "constitutes a single product" then you may either use both of them or none at all. I don't think the last option applies. The Delphi 6 license.txt in the BorlandDelphi6 folder has this to say: == quote begin == b. If you have purchased an upgrade version of the Software, it constitutes a single product with the Borland software that you upgraded. You may use or transfer the upgrade version of the Software together with the original only in accordance with this License Agreement. == quote end == This is somewhat the same as the Delphi 7 license.txt. The updated Delphi 8 License posted here http://community.borland.com/article/0,1410,32293,00.html says nothing about the usage of the previous versions as far as I can see, so there should be no limitation about the usage of the old version. Please correct me anyone if I'm wrong. -- Finn Tolderlund "Shane" <shanesawyerRemoveThis (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> skrev i en meddelelse news:40ac9a5b (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: I'm buying a Delphi 7-8 upgrade. I've spoke a couple of resellers and they tell me that if I buy an upgrade the license that comes with it will only cover Delphi 7 and 8 but I will not be able to use my copy of Delphi 6 under this license agreement. If this is true it would mean all of further development on legacy code would have to be done in either 7 or 8. Back to top Craig Stuntz [TeamB] Guest Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 12:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Is the delphi upgrade license a rip off??? Shane wrote: Quote: I'm buying a Delphi 7-8 upgrade. I've spoke a couple of resellers and they tell me that if I buy an upgrade the license that comes with it will only cover Delphi 7 and 8 but I will not be able to use my copy of Delphi 6 under this license agreement. I think that someone is miscommunicating. The D7/8 upgrade license doesn't *grant* you the right to use D6, but it doesn't take it away, either. Chat you cannot do is buy the D7/8 upgrade license and then sell your D6 license to someone else, because you need to own the D6 license for the D7/8 upgrade license to be valid. Perhaps this is what they were talking about. -Craig -- Craig Stuntz [TeamB] . Vertex Systems Corp. . Columbus, OH Delphi/InterBase Weblog : http://delphi.weblogs.com InterBase Performance Monitor -- Analyze and control your IB7 server: http://delphi.weblogs.com/IBPerformanceMonitor Back to top Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) Guest Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 1:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Is the delphi upgrade license a rip off??? At 13:45:28, 20.05.2004, Shane wrote: Quote: I'm buying a Delphi 7-8 upgrade. I've spoke a couple of resellers and they tell me that if I buy an upgrade the license that comes with it will only cover Delphi 7 and 8 but I will not be able to use my copy of Delphi 6 under this license agreement. I very much doubt it. I don't know who told you, but they must have misunderstood something. -- Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) "Nietzsche was stupid and abnormal." - Leo Tolstoy (1828-1910) Back to top Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) Guest Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 1:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Is the delphi upgrade license a rip off??? At 14:17:57, 20.05.2004, Shane wrote: Quote: Thats what I would have thought, but the resellers have told me the only way I can carry on using my copy of Delphi 6 is to buy a Full copy of 7-8. They *must* be on drugs. <g> -- Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." -- Rich Cook. Back to top Shane Guest Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 1:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Is the delphi upgrade license a rip off??? Is there any chance the License for the full thing is different to the upgrade. The company I work for a really sticky on this subject. Does any on have a copy of the license that comes with the upgrade or is the license for the upgrade the same a the link below. Thanks. "Finn Tolderlund" <no (AT) spam (DOT) dk> wrote Quote: The Delphi 7 license.txt in the BorlandDelphi7 folder has this to say: == quote begin == 4.5 ADDITIONAL LICENSE TERMS APPLICABLE TO UPGRADES If you have purchased an upgrade version of the Product, it constitutes a single product with the copy of the Product that you upgraded. This means that, although you may have two sets of Product media, you still have only one license. Therefore, you may not transfer the original copy of the Product to any other party. == quote end == It does not say that you may not use the old Delphi versions. The way I understand this you may still use the old Delphi version. Which is only logical, because if the new and old Delphi version "constitutes a single product" then you may either use both of them or none at all. I don't think the last option applies. The Delphi 6 license.txt in the BorlandDelphi6 folder has this to say: == quote begin == b. If you have purchased an upgrade version of the Software, it constitutes a single product with the Borland software that you upgraded. You may use or transfer the upgrade version of the Software together with the original only in accordance with this License Agreement. == quote end == This is somewhat the same as the Delphi 7 license.txt. The updated Delphi 8 License posted here http://community.borland.com/article/0,1410,32293,00.html says nothing about the usage of the previous versions as far as I can see, so there should be no limitation about the usage of the old version. Please correct me anyone if I'm wrong. -- Finn Tolderlund "Shane" <shanesawyerRemoveThis (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> skrev i en meddelelse news:40ac9a5b (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... I'm buying a Delphi 7-8 upgrade. I've spoke a couple of resellers and they tell me that if I buy an upgrade the license that comes with it will only cover Delphi 7 and 8 but I will not be able to use my copy of Delphi 6 under this license agreement. If this is true it would mean all of further development on legacy code would have to be done in either 7 or 8. Back to top Thomas J. Theobald Guest Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 1:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Is the delphi upgrade license a rip off??? When you upgrade, there is no stipulation that you must throw away or not use the old software. There is simply the requirement that you not sell it, give it away, or otherwise make it available to another party, as the old software now "becomes" part of the new software. Your resellers are incorrect. T Back to top Jacob Thurman Guest Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 3:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Is the delphi upgrade license a rip off??? Quote: Could somebody let me know if this is the case. My understanding agrees completely with the rest of the replies in this thread. The resellers are wrong. Might I suggest however, for the comfort of your superiors, that you call Borland at (831) 431-1000 and get an official comment? -- Jacob Thurman Creator of Castalia - The ultimate Delphi Productivity Suite. http://www.delphi-expert.com/ Super-Smart Syntax Highlighting Fast, powerful code templates Code Navigation Facilities you've only dreamed of Automated Refactoring Inline variable declaration On-the fly syntax checking Back to top David Farrell-Garcia Guest Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 3:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Is the delphi upgrade license a rip off??? Shane wrote: Quote: I'm buying a Delphi 7-8 upgrade. I've spoke a couple of resellers and they tell me that if I buy an upgrade the license that comes with it will only cover Delphi 7 and 8 but I will not be able to use my copy of Delphi 6 under this license agreement. Where does it preclude that? It only means that you cannot sell your D6 as you have used it as an upgrade path. Makes perfect sense to me. -- David Farrell-Garcia Whidbey Island Software LLC Posted with XanaNews 1.16.3.1 Back to top Anders Ohlsson (Borland) Guest Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 3:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Is the delphi upgrade license a rip off??? Quote: I'm buying a Delphi 7-8 upgrade. I've spoke a couple of resellers and they tell me that if I buy an upgrade the license that comes with it will only cover Delphi 7 and 8 but I will not be able to use my copy of Delphi 6 under this license agreement. They are wrong! When you upgrade, the licences merge and become one. You can use all of them - 6, 7, and 8 - all at the same time. If you have older ones, let's say Delphi 1-8, then you can use all of 1-8 as well. -- Anders Ohlsson - Borland Developer Relations - http://bdn.borland.com/ Borland Software Corporation - http://www.borland.com/ - Excellence Endures Enabling our customers to move into the future without abandoning their past http://homepages.borland.com/aohlsson/blog_beta/ http://homepages.borland.com/aohlsson/blog_beta/#disclaimer Back to top Kev French Guest Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 4:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Is the delphi upgrade license a rip off??? "Shane" wrote Quote: Thats what I would have thought, but the resellers have told me the only way I can carry on using my copy of Delphi 6 is to buy a Full copy of 7-8. I had a look on the borland web site and can't find any information on it. Find a new reseller. One that knows what they're talking about. Kev Back to top Thomas J. Theobald Guest Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 5:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Is the delphi upgrade license a rip off??? The license between the upgrade and the full product will not be different - in the past, versions that are upgrades have had a rider clause that stated "If this is an upgrade product..." and so on. This one does not. The license for an upgrade version of 8 does not appear significantly different from that from the link posted (there are some differences, but nothing specifically relating to being an upgrade). 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