BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Is there a C++Builder 2006 Express I can download? Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Jim Guest Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:03 pm    Post subject: Is there a C++Builder 2006 Express I can download? I am using a downloaded Visual C++ Express version and I would like to know if Borland has a C++Builder 2006 Express that I can use. Jim Back to top Jim Guest Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Is there a C++Builder 2006 Express I can download? "Doychin Bondzhev" <doychin@dsoft-bg.com> wrote: Quote: I don't think there is plans for free version like previous personal editions. That's too bad. Borland should come up with a similar Express version for BCB so more people can fall in love with the product. M$ claims to have over a million download of the Express family, people sometimes buy what they learn. Thanks for the information. Back to top Doychin Bondzhev Guest Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Is there a C++Builder 2006 Express I can download? trial version of BDS 2006 is comming. That was stated few times in dfferent places. I don't think there is plans for free version like previous personal editions. Doychin "Jim" <jbakrd@hotmail-remove-.com> wrote in message news:43f383b9$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: I am using a downloaded Visual C++ Express version and I would like to know if Borland has a C++Builder 2006 Express that I can use. Jim Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Is there a C++Builder 2006 Express I can download? "Jim" <jbakrd@hotmail-remove-.com> wrote in message news:43f38f28$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: That's too bad. Borland should come up with a similar Express version for BCB Borland announced last week that *all* of its IDE products are going to be sold off to another company. Borland will no longer be maintaining the IDEs directly anymore. The new company will be. So, once that company has been decided on, you would have to take the issue up with that company instead of with Borland. Since the IDEs will be getting new resources and more focused attention, I imagine that what you ask for will be in a better position to fall into the realm of possibility. Gambit Back to top David Erbas-White Guest Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Is there a C++Builder 2006 Express I can download? Remy Lebeau (TeamB) wrote: Quote: Borland announced last week that *all* of its IDE products are going to be sold off to another company. Borland will no longer be maintaining the IDEs directly anymore. The new company will be. So, once that company has been decided on, you would have to take the issue up with that company instead of with Borland. Since the IDEs will be getting new resources and more focused attention, I imagine that what you ask for will be in a better position to fall into the realm of possibility. Gambit So the inference I should draw from this is that all work on BDS has (or should) stop at this point, because Borland has announced their intention to sell it? If investors want to buy the company, are they likely to buy it if the product has had a spear put through its heart, or will they be more comfortable if there is actually a market (i.e., supported, happy customers) for the product that they want the investors to sell??? This statement makes ZERO sense. If BDS is to continue, whether under the Borland banner or by another entity who buys it from Borland, then it is imperative that the product continue to be supported and marketed. If/when it is decided that there is no interested buyer, and Borland then decides not to continue with the product (with no buyer available), then and only then should support/marketing of the product cease. If the developers within Borland are truly 'excited' about this 'new opportunity' to continue with the IDE, I would fully expect to see lots of support to come out (and without too much delay). After all, the developers who are seen as active/producing product would be those most likely to be retained, and any positive activity on the product makes for a more likely sale of the company. In my estimation, if we don't see active support of the current product, RIGHT NOW, which would include bug fixes, and massive fixes to the help/documentation, then you might as well just put a fork in it, because it's done. David Erbas-White Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Is there a C++Builder 2006 Express I can download? At 22:34:38, 15.02.2006, David Erbas-White wrote: Quote: So the inference I should draw from this is that all work on BDS has (or should) stop at this point, because Borland has announced their intention to sell it? No, that is not the inference you should draw. They have said they would come out with a trial version and an Update 2 anytime soon. There is no need to stop anything. Only the owner will change, not the products or the people working on them. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://rvelthuis.de/ "Do you program in Assembly ?" she asked. "NOP," he said. Back to top Allen Bauer Guest Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:03 am    Post subject: Re: Is there a C++Builder 2006 Express I can download? Quote: So the inference I should draw from this is that all work on BDS has (or should) stop at this point, because Borland has announced their intention to sell it? No, we're still here working on it and, as Rudy has mentioned, a trial edition is coming as is an update. Quote: This statement makes ZERO sense. If BDS is to continue, whether under the Borland banner or by another entity who buys it from Borland, then it is imperative that the product continue to be supported and marketed. If/when it is decided that there is no interested buyer, and Borland then decides not to continue with the product (with no buyer available), then and only then should support/marketing of the product cease. It *is* continuing to be developed, sold, and marketed. Quote: If the developers within Borland are truly 'excited' about this 'new opportunity' to continue with the IDE, I would fully expect to see lots of support to come out (and without too much delay). After all, the developers who are seen as active/producing product would be those most likely to be retained, and any positive activity on the product makes for a more likely sale of the company. The plans that had been laid down prior to the announcement are continuing as normal. We have no plans to slow down or stop because of the latest news. -- Allen Bauer Delphi/C#Builder/C++Builder Chief Scientist Borland Software Corporation. http://blogs.borland.com/abauer Back to top David Erbas-White Guest Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:03 am    Post subject: Re: Is there a C++Builder 2006 Express I can download? Allen Bauer wrote: Quote: The plans that had been laid down prior to the announcement are continuing as normal. We have no plans to slow down or stop because of the latest news. All of that is great news (and what I would expect). What is being lost sight of is that I was responding to Remy, who stated (in response to a question about an Express version): Quote: Borland announced last week that *all* of its IDE products are going to be sold off to another company. Borland will no longer be maintaining the IDEs directly anymore. The new company will be. So, once that company has been decided on, you would have to take the issue up with that company instead of with Borland. Since the IDEs will be getting new resources and more focused attention, I imagine that what you ask for will be in a better position to fall into the realm of possibility. His statement clearly infers that Borland will not be continuing work on such an item, and that it is pointless to discuss it with Borland until a new buyer is found. Please take MY statement in its proper context. David Erbas-White Back to top Hendrik Schober Guest Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:03 am    Post subject: Re: Is there a C++Builder 2006 Express I can download? Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] <velthuis (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: At 22:34:38, 15.02.2006, David Erbas-White wrote: So the inference I should draw from this is that all work on BDS has (or should) stop at this point, because Borland has announced their intention to sell it? No, that is not the inference you should draw. They have said they would come out with a trial version and an Update 2 anytime soon. [...] Like they said they'd come out with the list of fixes included in BCB6 service packs? Or more like those survey results? Or like they said they'd come out with fixes, an EDG-based compiler, wxWidgets support etc. for CBX? Or... I believe in what's delivered. Schobi -- SpamTrap (AT) gmx (DOT) de is never read I'm Schobi at suespammers dot org "If you put a large switch in some cave somewhere, with a sign on it saying 'End-of-the-World Switch. PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH', the paint wouldn't even have time to dry." Terry Pratchett Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Is there a C++Builder 2006 Express I can download? At 09:50:17, 16.02.2006, Hendrik Schober wrote: Quote: Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] <velthuis (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: At 22:34:38, 15.02.2006, David Erbas-White wrote: So the inference I should draw from this is that all work on BDS has (or should) stop at this point, because Borland has announced their intention to sell it? No, that is not the inference you should draw. They have said they would come out with a trial version and an Update 2 anytime soon. [...] Like they said they'd come out with the list of fixes included in BCB6 service packs? Just wait and see. What will you do as soon as Update 2 and the trial version come out? Eat your (or someone's) hat? -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://rvelthuis.de/ "Dieu me pardonnera. C'est son métier." Translation: God forgive me. It's his job. -- Heinrich Heine, dying words. Back to top Hendrik Schober Guest Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Is there a C++Builder 2006 Express I can download? Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] <velthuis (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: At 09:50:17, 16.02.2006, Hendrik Schober wrote: Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] <velthuis (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: At 22:34:38, 15.02.2006, David Erbas-White wrote: So the inference I should draw from this is that all work on BDS has (or should) stop at this point, because Borland has announced their intention to sell it? No, that is not the inference you should draw. They have said they would come out with a trial version and an Update 2 anytime soon. [...] Like they said they'd come out with the list of fixes included in BCB6 service packs? Just wait and see. What will you do as soon as Update 2 and the trial version come out? Eat your (or someone's) hat? I'd hope they'd stay on that track. Schobi -- SpamTrap (AT) gmx (DOT) de is never read I'm Schobi at suespammers dot org "If you put a large switch in some cave somewhere, with a sign on it saying 'End-of-the-World Switch. PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH', the paint wouldn't even have time to dry." Terry Pratchett Back to top David Erbas-White Guest Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Is there a C++Builder 2006 Express I can download? David Dean wrote: Quote: In article <43f3d3a4 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, David Erbas-White <derbas (AT) arachneering (DOT) com> wrote: His statement clearly infers that Borland will not be continuing work on such an item, and that it is pointless to discuss it with Borland until a new buyer is found. Hmm, I think it is possible that one of us is misreading it. ISTM, that he said they will be continuing to do their work as usual until the buyer is found. This time I think it's you who owes me an apology (<G>). I reposted his response IN ITS ENTIRETY. I'm not going to post it a third time, go back and reread it. Nowhere did he make any such statement, in fact he specifically said "Borland will no longer be maintaining the IDEs directly anymore." Other people have stated that work as usual will continue, but NOWHERE is that found in HIS statement. David Erbas-White Back to top David Dean Guest Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Is there a C++Builder 2006 Express I can download? In article <43f43cfe (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, "Hendrik Schober" <SpamTrap (AT) gmx (DOT) de> wrote: Quote: I believe in what's delivered. I can understand your mistrust. I got burned by CBX as well. (Although it still has its uses) I think that a lot has changed recently, and they are delivering on promises. I am confident that they will deliver a trial version. I hope it is soon. -- -David Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. Back to top David Dean Guest Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Is there a C++Builder 2006 Express I can download? In article <43f3d3a4 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, David Erbas-White <derbas (AT) arachneering (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: His statement clearly infers that Borland will not be continuing work on such an item, and that it is pointless to discuss it with Borland until a new buyer is found. Hmm, I think it is possible that one of us is misreading it. ISTM, that he said they will be continuing to do their work as usual until the buyer is found. -- -David Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. Back to top David Dean Guest Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Is there a C++Builder 2006 Express I can download? In article <43f4a8dd (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, David Erbas-White <derbas (AT) arachneering (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: Other people have stated that work as usual will continue, but NOWHERE is that found in HIS statement. You are correct, Remy's statement does sound a little bleaker than my original reading. But I think that the confusion comes from the fact that what he said will be true after the sale. I suspect that he mistakenly forgot that (important) part. -- -David Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. 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