BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Is there a .NET compiler ? Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Christopher Burke Guest Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 4:03 am    Post subject: Is there a .NET compiler ? Ok - sounds like a silly question, but here goes. Is there a compiler that compiles .NET to native anything (e.g. Win32). I don't mean a program that packages a JIT... but one that literally compiles it to Win32 like any other language. If so - where ? If not - why ? Back to top Jon Shemitz Guest Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 4:03 am    Post subject: Re: Is there a .NET compiler ? Christopher Burke wrote: Quote: Ok - sounds like a silly question, but here goes. Is there a compiler that compiles .NET to native anything (e.g. Win32). I don't mean a program that packages a JIT... but one that literally compiles it to Win32 like any other language. If so - where ? Yes. It's called NGen. Native Generate. In 2.0, NGen precompiles a whole app; in 1.x, it works an assembly at a time. -- <http://www.midnightbeach.com> Contracting, consulting, training ..NET 2.0 for Delphi Programmers <http://www.midnightbeach.com/.net> In production - in stores by June Back to top John Jacobson Guest Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 4:03 am    Post subject: Re: Is there a .NET compiler ? Jon Shemitz <jon (AT) midnightbeach (DOT) com> wrote in message <442362E9.6948ECF4 (AT) midnightbeach (DOT) com> Quote: Yes. It's called NGen. Native Generate. In 2.0, NGen precompiles a whole app; in 1.x, it works an assembly at a time. Someone else on this newsgroup said that it only compiles your code in, not the ..NET framework pieces that your code relies on. -- ***Free Your Mind*** Posted with JSNewsreader Preview 0.9.4.2183 Back to top Chris Burrows Guest Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 4:03 am    Post subject: Re: Is there a .NET compiler ? "Christopher Burke" <borlandng (AT) craznar (DOT) com> wrote in message news:44235d80$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Ok - sounds like a silly question, but here goes. Is there a compiler that compiles .NET to native anything (e.g. Win32). I don't mean a program that packages a JIT... but one that literally compiles it to Win32 like any other language. If so - where ? If not - why ? I don't know of one for Win32, but the guys who did PocketStudio Pascal for the Palm have come up with something interesting for cross-compiling C# code. I think it works by translating .NET IL code to C which is then compiled for the Palm: <quote> Objects allows development of native, compiled applications in C# language. Its a multiplatform system, currently supporting Palm OS 5. Objects uses Microsoft (R) C# 2005 Compiler and Microsoft Visual C# 2005 Express Edition as preferred application development IDE. </quote> http://www.winsoft.sk/Objects.htm -- Chris Burrows CFB Software http://www.cfbsoftware.com/gpcp Back to top Chris Burrows Guest Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:03 am    Post subject: Re: Is there a .NET compiler ? "John Jacobson" <jake@j[nospam]snewsreader.com> wrote in message news:4423684c (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Jon Shemitz <jon (AT) midnightbeach (DOT) com> wrote in message 442362E9.6948ECF4 (AT) midnightbeach (DOT) com Yes. It's called NGen. Native Generate. In 2.0, NGen precompiles a whole app; in 1.x, it works an assembly at a time. Someone else on this newsgroup said that it only compiles your code in, not the .NET framework pieces that your code relies on. Yes - that was me, but I'm happy to be proven wrong. Linking parts of the framework into your app goes against the whole philosophy of .NET. Precompiling using ngen is also not the norm. It should only be done for special cases by those who really understand what they are doing - and that doesn't include me yet. -- Chris Burrows CFB Software http://www.cfbsoftware.com/gpcp Back to top Christopher Burke Guest Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:03 am    Post subject: Re: Is there a .NET compiler ? Chris Burrows wrote: Quote: Yes - that was me, but I'm happy to be proven wrong. Linking parts of the framework into your app goes against the whole philosophy of .NET. That's the philosophy that I'm trying to go against, so I can have an APP written in .NET which I can distribute in a reliable working box. Having the app depend on versions, revisions, current bugs, future bugs in the .NET infrastructure is an issue. Seems unlike Java, where a JVM is really easy to distribute, a '.NET JVM' is somewhat less easy Back to top Jim Cooper Guest Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:03 am    Post subject: Re: Is there a .NET compiler ? Quote: Is there a compiler that compiles .NET to native anything (e.g. Win32). If you mean .NET languages then yes, but nothing mainstream that I know of (Chris mentions the C# to PalmOS compiler). If you mean converting IL to native then yes, NGen (2 does better including framework stuff, but AFAIK there is some core stuff that is always JITted even then) Quote: If not - why ? It's not really the philosophy behind .NET, I suppose. But in theory there is nothing to stop someone doing that. In practice there might be. Compiling striahgt C# is one thing, being allowed to compile the .NET framework itself (which is IL when on your machine, AFAIK) might be different, I don't know. Cheers, Jim Cooper _____________________________________________ Jim Cooper jcooper (AT) tabdee (DOT) ltd.uk Skype : jim.cooper Tabdee Ltd http://www.tabdee.ltd.uk TurboSync - Connecting Delphi to your Palm _____________________________________________ Back to top Atmapuri Guest Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:03 am    Post subject: Re: Is there a .NET compiler ? Hi! Quote: Is there a compiler that compiles .NET to native anything (e.g. Win32). I don't mean a program that packages a JIT... but one that literally compiles it to Win32 like any other language. Yes. There is: http://www.remotesoft.com/linker/index.html Regards! Atmapuri Back to top marc hoffman Guest Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Is there a .NET compiler ? Christopher, Quote: Seems unlike Java, where a JVM is really easy to distribute, a '.NET JVM' is somewhat less easy how is that? -- marc hoffman Chief Architect, .NET RemObjects Software http://www.chromesville.com and the fifty-two daughters of the revolution turn the gold to chrome Back to top Michael Baytalsky Guest Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 2:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Is there a .NET compiler ? Quote: Yes. It's called NGen. Native Generate. In 2.0, NGen precompiles a whole app; in 1.x, it works an assembly at a time. When you use it, it creates a native image in C:\WINDOWS\assembly\NativeImages_v2.0.50727_32\ But you can't run that image, it reports that it's not a valid win32 application. What needs to be done in order to get a working image? Regards, Michael Back to top rich Guest Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 3:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Is there a .NET compiler ? Christopher Burke wrote: Quote: Ok - sounds like a silly question, but here goes. Is there a compiler that compiles .NET to native anything (e.g. Win32). I don't mean a program that packages a JIT... but one that literally compiles it to Win32 like any other language. Ask around here on the NGs, someone will explain that you don't need to do that and you must be crazy to even think it. Back to top Craig Stuntz [TeamB] Guest Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Is there a .NET compiler ? I.P. Nichols wrote: Quote: Come on Craig, that doesn't link parts of the framework into your app. I didn't say otherwise. But I do disagree with the "goes against the whole philosophy bit." -- Craig Stuntz [TeamB] · Vertex Systems Corp. · Columbus, OH Delphi/InterBase Weblog : http://blogs.teamb.com/craigstuntz Borland newsgroup denizen Sergio González has a new CD of Irish music out, and it's good: http://tinyurl.com/7hgfr Back to top I.P. Nichols Guest Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Is there a .NET compiler ? "Craig Stuntz [TeamB]" wrote: Quote: Chris Burrows wrote: Linking parts of the framework into your app goes against the whole philosophy of .NET. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=22914587-B4AD-4 EAE-87CF-B14AE6A939B0&displaylang=en (http://tinyurl.com/dsebu) Come on Craig, that doesn't link parts of the framework into your app. Back to top Eric Grange Guest Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Is there a .NET compiler ? Quote: But you can't run that image, it reports that it's not a valid win32 application. What needs to be done in order to get a working image? You can't. NGEN is only basicly just pre-caching pre-JITted sections of the code, but the output isn't a native executable (and at runtime, the framework is free to ignore the NGEN'ed stuff completely, so there isn't even a guarantee of a faster startup speed or reduced JIT overhead). Eric Back to top Atmapuri Guest Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Is there a .NET compiler ? Hi! Quote: Come on Craig, that doesn't link parts of the framework into your app. But these guys do: www.remotesoft.com Regards! 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