BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Is this true?          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message CNemo Guest Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 6:32 pm    Post subject: Is this true? Opportunitistic Break-up Call from Borland Shareholder Published: 21 Jul 2005 http://www.cbronline.com/blog.asp?show=cbr/2005/07/opportunitistic.html Back to top CNemo Guest Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 6:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Is this true? I wonder if there is official comments from Borland... "Rick Carter" <carterrk (AT) despammed (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Opportunitistic Break-up Call from Borland Shareholder Published: 21 Jul 2005 http://www.cbronline.com/blog.asp?show=cbr/2005/07/opportunitistic.html Yes, it's true that Robert Coates has been pushing for this. This has been mentioned already in several discussion threads, with a previous link to the article you mentioned. And there are many of us who would agree that this is an opportunistic move on the part of Mr. Coates, who has been nothin' but trouble. Rick Carter [email]carterrk (AT) despammed (DOT) com[/email] Chair, Delphi/Paradox SIG, Cincinnati PC Users Group --- posted by geoForum on http://delphi.newswhat.com Back to top Dan Miser Guest Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Is this true? There is no way you will see an "official response from Borland" on this. The business world doesn't work that way. If you want rumor and innuendo, watch a soap opera. If you want facts, read quarterly statements. -- Dan Miser http://www.distribucon.com "CNemo" <mikeevteev (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote Quote: I wonder if there is official comments from Borland... Back to top Wayne Niddery [TeamB] Guest Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Is this true? CNemo wrote: Quote: I wonder if there is official comments from Borland... You will rarely get "official" comments from *any* company answering the statements of individual shareholders. There is nothing to judge here as true or false because these are only the *opinions* of a shareholder. In this case it is a shareholder who has been trying for several years already to take control of the company. -- Wayne Niddery - Logic Fundamentals, Inc. (www.logicfundamentals.com) RADBooks: http://www.logicfundamentals.com/RADBooks.html "A man is likely to mind his own business when it is worth minding, when it is not, he takes his mind off his own meaningless affairs by minding other people's business." - Eric Hoffer Back to top Rick Carter Guest Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Is this true? Quote: Opportunitistic Break-up Call from Borland Shareholder Published: 21 Jul 2005 http://www.cbronline.com/blog.asp?show=cbr/2005/07/opportunitistic.html Yes, it's true that Robert Coates has been pushing for this. This has been mentioned already in several discussion threads, with a previous link to the article you mentioned. And there are many of us who would agree that this is an opportunistic move on the part of Mr. Coates, who has been nothin' but trouble. Rick Carter [email]carterrk (AT) despammed (DOT) com[/email] Chair, Delphi/Paradox SIG, Cincinnati PC Users Group --- posted by geoForum on http://delphi.newswhat.com Back to top Martin Brekhof Guest Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 8:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Is this true? Quote: If you want facts, read quarterly statements. The first reaction to the General Accounting Office study saying that one out of every ten U.S. public companies has been forced to restate earnings in recent years is that it's old news. http://www.forbes.com/2002/10/24/cx_da_1024topnews.html not that I expect an official reaction from Borland on the current situation. regards, Martin Back to top CNemo Guest Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 8:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Is this true? In case of Borland it might be sad to read the statement.... Post mortem. This is free market. You better keep talking, or people think you are dead, and sell your stocks. Nobody expect "response to one shareholder", but it will be worth to know what company does to fix situation. Fuller resigned, new management keep silence... "Dan Miser" <dmiser (AT) wi (DOT) rr.com> wrote Quote: There is no way you will see an "official response from Borland" on this. The business world doesn't work that way. If you want rumor and innuendo, watch a soap opera. If you want facts, read quarterly statements. -- Dan Miser http://www.distribucon.com "CNemo" <mikeevteev (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:42e53684$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... I wonder if there is official comments from Borland... Back to top Didier Largange Guest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Is this true? Quote: http://www.cbronline.com/blog.asp?show=cbr/2005/07/opportunitistic.html In fact, I find this article to be a good press for Borland. :-) Didier Back to top Wayne Niddery [TeamB] Guest Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Is this true? Didier Largange wrote: Quote: http://www.cbronline.com/blog.asp?show=cbr/2005/07/opportunitistic.html In fact, I find this article to be a good press for Borland. Good article, thanks for the link. -- Wayne Niddery - Logic Fundamentals, Inc. (www.logicfundamentals.com) RADBooks: http://www.logicfundamentals.com/RADBooks.html "Nature abhors the vacuum tube." - J.R. Pierce, Bell Labs engineer who coined the term 'transistor' Back to top CNemo Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Is this true? If somebody will buy this poor company - this will be happy end. The question is - who? In worst case Borland will die slowly and painfully. And articles like this will lead to the second case. "Didier Largange" <d.largange_remove (AT) logicantilles (DOT) com> wrote Quote: http://www.cbronline.com/blog.asp?show=cbr/2005/07/opportunitistic.html In fact, I find this article to be a good press for Borland. :-) Didier Back to top Oliver Townshend Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Is this true? Quote: If somebody will buy this poor company - this will be happy end. The question is - who? There are plenty of options. It could be split into two companies, eg Borland Corp and Delphi Corp and shares issued to the current shareholders. Plenty of companies do this when a merge doesn't work out. One day Time Warner and AOL will go back to being two companies, and I think there a large media company doing it in the US right now. It could also be sold to another company interested in compilers (although none spring to mind), eg Sybase, IBM, Microsoft, Sun or Apple (my money on Sun). I think the split is the simplest option, although one of the two companies will then probably be bought out (Borland by BEA) and the resulting company (probably Delphi) will rename itself Borland. Oliver Townshend Back to top Filimonker Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 1:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Is this true? "CNemo" <mikeevteev (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote Quote: If somebody will buy this poor company - this will be happy end. The question is - who? In worst case Borland will die slowly and painfully. And articles like this will lead to the second case. I think speculation about Borland is damaging because it makes current shareholders nervous about the company, and it will make it difficult to attract new investors because key people engage in outbursts like in the article. Borland really has no choice BUT to offer an IDE with its products, considering that the main competition bundles IDEs with the compiler. What is Visual Basic without its IDE? What is MS C# without Visual Studio? Removing the IDE from Borland would make it harder to find selling points for Delphi. It would give away the market to MS and to Free Pascal. In my humble opinion. Back to top CNemo Guest Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Is this true? Quote: I think speculation about Borland is damaging because it makes current shareholders nervous about the company, and it will make it difficult to attract new investors because key people engage in outbursts like in the article. I meant that after such speculations and no response from Borland, it price will drop down so significally (may be not immediately but in long term) that it will easy target for any more or less big company looking for appropriate technology. It just seems like company doen't have decent management at all. 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