BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  JB 2005 Enterprise released... Goto page 1, 2  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> JBuilder IDE View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Ken Warner Guest Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 11:54 pm    Post subject: JB 2005 Enterprise released... Looks like 2005 Enterprise is released. http://www.borland.com/products/downloads/download_jbuilder.html But Java 5 is still in RC mode. How does this work out when Borland supposedly does not support Beta releases? Is RC not considered Beta? Or are we too fixated on labels? http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp Back to top Shankar Unni Guest Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 8:33 pm    Post subject: Re: JB 2005 Enterprise released... Ken Warner wrote: Quote: Looks like 2005 Enterprise is released. http://www.borland.com/products/downloads/download_jbuilder.html There's only a key request URL, though, not the downloadable bits themselves.. Back to top Vincent Cantin Guest Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:44 am    Post subject: Re: JB 2005 Enterprise released... Quote: http://www.borland.com/products/downloads/download_jbuilder.html But Java 5 is still in RC mode. How does this work out when Borland supposedly does not support Beta releases? Is RC not considered Beta? Or are we too fixated on labels? http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp No link for the JBuilder2005 download ??? :-( Back to top Paul Furbacher [TeamB] Guest Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 4:51 pm    Post subject: Re: JB 2005 Enterprise released... Vincent Cantin wrote: Quote: http://www.borland.com/products/downloads/download_jbuilder.html But Java 5 is still in RC mode. How does this work out when Borland supposedly does not support Beta releases? Is RC not considered Beta? Or are we too fixated on labels? http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp No link for the JBuilder2005 download ??? Impatient, are we? Historically, the downloads arrive a bit after the general release. There's a lot of setup that needs to be done, or something like that. As they used to say in the old days, "hold your horses." Be patient. -- Paul Furbacher (TeamB) Save time, search the archives: http://www.borland.com/newsgroups/ngsearch.html Is it in Joi Ellis's Faq-O-Matic? http://www.visi.com/~gyles19/fom-serve/cache/1.html Finally, please send responses to the newsgroup only. That means, do not send email directly to me. Thank you. Back to top andy dingfelder Guest Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:44 pm    Post subject: Re: JB 2005 Enterprise released... sorry to be picky but I think someone has missed the point of general release (aka General Availability). By definition, once a product has entered the GA phase, it is "available". IMHO, a company that has "released" a product but is not "ready" to ship it (such as not having the distribution centers stocked or having the website set up) is not making good marketing decisions... it definately does not look good. Having said that, I not ready to download it at this point anyway so it is pretty much irrelevant to me... I just think people should plan a bit better if they want a good image :P "Paul Furbacher [TeamB]" <pfurbacher (AT) mac (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: Vincent Cantin wrote: http://www.borland.com/products/downloads/download_jbuilder.html But Java 5 is still in RC mode. How does this work out when Borland supposedly does not support Beta releases? Is RC not considered Beta? Or are we too fixated on labels? http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp No link for the JBuilder2005 download ??? :-( Impatient, are we? Historically, the downloads arrive a bit after the general release. There's a lot of setup that needs to be done, or something like that. As they used to say in the old days, "hold your horses." Be patient. -- Paul Furbacher (TeamB) Save time, search the archives: http://www.borland.com/newsgroups/ngsearch.html Is it in Joi Ellis's Faq-O-Matic? http://www.visi.com/~gyles19/fom-serve/cache/1.html Finally, please send responses to the newsgroup only. That means, do not send email directly to me. Thank you. Back to top Vincent Cantin Guest Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 2:38 am    Post subject: borland spam :-( Hello, Yesterday I sent an email to someone that I have to contact "if I have problems about the dowload" (the link is in the download page of the web site of borland). Here is my message : -------------------------------- Hello, I want to download JBuilder2005 fondation, but the link send me to JBuilderX only. Please, can you tell me when the JBuilder2005 fondation will be available for download ? Regards, Vincent Cantin, Astro corp. (Taiwan) -------------------------------- Today, I received an email from a source witch seems to not be borland, witch contains publicity for all the products of borland, with an email to answer witch is also not to borland. I feel very upset for 3 reasons : - Nobody answered my simple question. - I receive a non-solicited email. - (perhaps) Someone that is making warez have my email in his list now. I don't want to be spammed. Here is the message I received : (the ".nospam" extension in the adresses is from me) -------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Athens.GR" <astra35 (AT) freemail (DOT) gr.nospam> To: < ... me ...> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 8:23 AM Subject: Borland JBuilder 2005 Enterprise [2 CDs], Borland Starteam v6.0, Delphi v8.0 Architect Edition, Borland JBuilder X Enterprise v10.0, Borland JBuilder X Enterprise WebLogic Edition 10.0, BORLAND C PLUS PLUS BUILDER X ENTERPRISE V1.0, Borland C Sharp Builder Architect Edition v1.0 [2 CDs], Borland C#Builder 1.0 Enterprise Edition [2 CDs], other Quote: Borland JBuilder 2005 Enterprise [2 CDs], Borland Starteam v6.0, Delphi v8.0 Architect Edition, Borland JBuilder X Enterprise v10.0, Borland JBuilder X Enterprise WebLogic Edition 10.0, BORLAND C PLUS PLUS BUILDER X ENTERPRISE V1.0, Borland C Sharp Builder Architect Edition v1.0 [2 CDs], Borland C#Builder 1.0 Enterprise Edition [2 CDs], other 14/Sep/2004 B02 Borland JBuilder 2005 Enterprise - Borland Software Corp. [2 CDs] Borland Starteam v6.0 [2 CDs] CD NR 15 956 Delphi v8.0 Architect Edition REPACK (c) Borland Software Corp. 14 450 Borland JBuilder X Enterprise WebLogic Edition 10.0 (c) Borland 14 366 Borland JBuilder X Enterprise v10.0 (c) Borland Software[2 CDs] 14 258 Borland J Builder X Enterprise v10.0 (c) Borland Software[2 CDs]14 138 BORLAND C PLUS PLUS BUILDER X ENTERPRISE V1.0 13 414 Borland C Sharp Builder Architect Edition v1.0 [2 CDs] 13 320 Borland C#Builder 1.0 Enterprise Edition [2 CDs] 12 726 Borland StarTeam v5.3 12 477 Borland: JBuilder 9 Enterprise *RETAIL* *REPACK [2 CDs] 12 419 Borland Starteam v5.2 11 756 Borland JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Read .nfo 10 998 Borland Delphi 7 Studio Companion Tools [3 CDs] 10 548 Borland Cpp Builder Update Pack 10 318 etc for 16,000 more CDs, [ no dongles, no activations, etc ... needed ! ] (free donge)! No time limitation! please send e-mail, [email]ola2 (AT) mail (DOT) gr.nosp[/email]am, [email]astra35 (AT) mailbox (DOT) gr.nosp[/email]am, --------------------------------------------------- T H I S I S A O N E T I M E E - M A I L !, I D O N ' T I N C L U D E Y O U I N A N Y M A I L I N G L I S T ! --------------------------------------------------- Back to top Alexey N. Solofnenko Guest Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 3:15 am    Post subject: Re: borland spam :-( I got it too! - Alexey. Vincent Cantin wrote: Quote: Hello, Yesterday I sent an email to someone that I have to contact "if I have problems about the dowload" (the link is in the download page of the web site of borland). Here is my message : -------------------------------- Hello, I want to download JBuilder2005 fondation, but the link send me to JBuilderX only. Please, can you tell me when the JBuilder2005 fondation will be available for download ? Regards, Vincent Cantin, Astro corp. (Taiwan) -------------------------------- Today, I received an email from a source witch seems to not be borland, witch contains publicity for all the products of borland, with an email to answer witch is also not to borland. I feel very upset for 3 reasons : - Nobody answered my simple question. - I receive a non-solicited email. - (perhaps) Someone that is making warez have my email in his list now. I don't want to be spammed. Here is the message I received : (the ".nospam" extension in the adresses is from me) -------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Athens.GR" To: < ... me ... Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 8:23 AM Subject: Borland JBuilder 2005 Enterprise [2 CDs], Borland Starteam v6.0, Delphi v8.0 Architect Edition, Borland JBuilder X Enterprise v10.0, Borland JBuilder X Enterprise WebLogic Edition 10.0, BORLAND C PLUS PLUS BUILDER X ENTERPRISE V1.0, Borland C Sharp Builder Architect Edition v1.0 [2 CDs], Borland C#Builder 1.0 Enterprise Edition [2 CDs], other Borland JBuilder 2005 Enterprise [2 CDs], Borland Starteam v6.0, Delphi v8.0 Architect Edition, Borland JBuilder X Enterprise v10.0, Borland JBuilder X Enterprise WebLogic Edition 10.0, BORLAND C PLUS PLUS BUILDER X ENTERPRISE V1.0, Borland C Sharp Builder Architect Edition v1.0 [2 CDs], Borland C#Builder 1.0 Enterprise Edition [2 CDs], other 14/Sep/2004 B02 Borland JBuilder 2005 Enterprise - Borland Software Corp. [2 CDs] Borland Starteam v6.0 [2 CDs] CD NR 15 956 Delphi v8.0 Architect Edition REPACK (c) Borland Software Corp. 14 450 Borland JBuilder X Enterprise WebLogic Edition 10.0 (c) Borland 14 366 Borland JBuilder X Enterprise v10.0 (c) Borland Software[2 CDs] 14 258 Borland J Builder X Enterprise v10.0 (c) Borland Software[2 CDs]14 138 BORLAND C PLUS PLUS BUILDER X ENTERPRISE V1.0 13 414 Borland C Sharp Builder Architect Edition v1.0 [2 CDs] 13 320 Borland C#Builder 1.0 Enterprise Edition [2 CDs] 12 726 Borland StarTeam v5.3 12 477 Borland: JBuilder 9 Enterprise *RETAIL* *REPACK [2 CDs] 12 419 Borland Starteam v5.2 11 756 Borland JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition Read .nfo 10 998 Borland Delphi 7 Studio Companion Tools [3 CDs] 10 548 Borland Cpp Builder Update Pack 10 318 etc for 16,000 more CDs, [ no dongles, no activations, etc ... needed ! ] (free donge)! No time limitation! please send e-mail, [email]ola2 (AT) mail (DOT) gr.nosp[/email]am, [email]astra35 (AT) mailbox (DOT) gr.nosp[/email]am, --------------------------------------------------- T H I S I S A O N E T I M E E - M A I L !, I D O N ' T I N C L U D E Y O U I N A N Y M A I L I N G L I S T ! --------------------------------------------------- Back to top Alexey N. Solofnenko Guest Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 3:17 am    Post subject: Re: JB 2005 Enterprise released... Just think - Borland is playing smart by redirecting the first wave of downloads to P2P networks. - Alexey. andy dingfelder wrote: Quote: sorry to be picky but I think someone has missed the point of general release (aka General Availability). By definition, once a product has entered the GA phase, it is "available". IMHO, a company that has "released" a product but is not "ready" to ship it (such as not having the distribution centers stocked or having the website set up) is not making good marketing decisions... it definately does not look good. Having said that, I not ready to download it at this point anyway so it is pretty much irrelevant to me... I just think people should plan a bit better if they want a good image :P Back to top Lori M Olson [TeamB] Guest Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 4:37 am    Post subject: Re: borland spam :-( Look guys, this is Usenet. If you post with a real email address, or an email address that can easily be extracted (NO_SPAM, etc), then you can expect to get spam of all sorts, and not just "targeted" spam like you have reported. There are whole industries out there, writing programs to extract email addresses from posts, and then selling those addresses to spammers. There is nothing to be done, if you continue to post with a real email address. I post with an email address that I have effectively "thrown away". It really exists, but I don't receive the email from that address. If I find the need to give out my real email address, then I can tell you about my email address without including it in a posting in such a way that would allow it to be harvested by the spammers. It starts with my first name, and my company name is Java Dragon, and it is a dot com. See? You can figure out my email address now, but the automatic email harvesters cannot. Back to top John Woo Guest Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 12:09 am    Post subject: Re: JB 2005 Enterprise released... The problem is that everyone that exists in the non-marketing world equates "Released" with "Available to the public". Arrghhh "Paul Furbacher [TeamB]" <pfurbacher (AT) mac (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Vincent Cantin wrote: http://www.borland.com/products/downloads/download_jbuilder.html But Java 5 is still in RC mode. How does this work out when Borland supposedly does not support Beta releases? Is RC not considered Beta? Or are we too fixated on labels? http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp No link for the JBuilder2005 download ??? :-( Impatient, are we? Historically, the downloads arrive a bit after the general release. There's a lot of setup that needs to be done, or something like that. As they used to say in the old days, "hold your horses." Be patient. -- Paul Furbacher (TeamB) Save time, search the archives: http://www.borland.com/newsgroups/ngsearch.html Is it in Joi Ellis's Faq-O-Matic? http://www.visi.com/~gyles19/fom-serve/cache/1.html Finally, please send responses to the newsgroup only. That means, do not send email directly to me. Thank you. Back to top Alexey N. Solofnenko Guest Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 1:56 am    Post subject: Re: borland spam :-( I guess it is too late for this account.... I am testing a new anti-spam filter right now. - Alexey. Lori M Olson [TeamB] wrote: Quote: Look guys, this is Usenet. If you post with a real email address, or an email address that can easily be extracted (NO_SPAM, etc), then you can expect to get spam of all sorts, and not just "targeted" spam like you have reported. There are whole industries out there, writing programs to extract email addresses from posts, and then selling those addresses to spammers. There is nothing to be done, if you continue to post with a real email address. I post with an email address that I have effectively "thrown away". It really exists, but I don't receive the email from that address. If I find the need to give out my real email address, then I can tell you about my email address without including it in a posting in such a way that would allow it to be harvested by the spammers. It starts with my first name, and my company name is Java Dragon, and it is a dot com. See? You can figure out my email address now, but the automatic email harvesters cannot. Back to top Vincent Cantin Guest Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 4:03 am    Post subject: Re: borland spam :-( The spam doesn't come from the newsgroup, I am almost sure it comes from the email I sent to the "download helper" from the website of Borland. I never got spam until now, and just after I send an email to him about JBuilder 2005, I receive ... warez-publicity about borland products. There might be a worm in your servers ! Alexey, did you send an email to them also ? Back to top Vincent Cantin Guest Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 4:13 am    Post subject: Re: JB 2005 Enterprise released... Quote: Just think - Borland is playing smart by redirecting the first wave of downloads to P2P networks. - Alexey. Effectively, your idea was good : I went on a P2P network, and I found what I was looking for ... in fact, not exactly : I was looking for the foundation edition of JBuilder 2005 (I don't need more - I just want to use Java 5), and I only found the enterprise edition with a crack. I know that it might not be very regular to use it, but since for now there is still nothing available on the download page .. I might temporally use it. Back to top Alexey N. Solofnenko Guest Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 5:15 am    Post subject: Re: JB 2005 Enterprise released... Please do not use the crack - please use a trial licence from Borland site. - Alexey. Vincent Cantin wrote: Quote: Just think - Borland is playing smart by redirecting the first wave of downloads to P2P networks. - Alexey. Effectively, your idea was good : I went on a P2P network, and I found what I was looking for ... in fact, not exactly : I was looking for the foundation edition of JBuilder 2005 (I don't need more - I just want to use Java 5), and I only found the enterprise edition with a crack. I know that it might not be very regular to use it, but since for now there is still nothing available on the download page .. I might temporally use it. Back to top Vincent Cantin Guest Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 5:49 am    Post subject: Re: JB 2005 Enterprise released... Quote: Please do not use the crack - please use a trial licence from Borland site. - Alexey. I didn't installed the software yet. If I can use the license from borland, I will of course. 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