BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Microsofts shareholding in Borland          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Digby Millikan Guest Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 12:46 am    Post subject: Microsofts shareholding in Borland Does micosoft have a RAD C++ devepment enviroment competitive to Buider and VCL, how does it compare, if microsoft increased it's shareholding in Borland would it retain Builder as a flagship product? Digby Back to top Jeff Overcash (TeamB) Guest Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 1:10 am    Post subject: Re: Microsofts shareholding in Borland Digby Millikan wrote: Quote: Does micosoft have a RAD C++ devepment enviroment competitive to Buider and VCL, how does it compare, No it does not. A lot of people use VB for their GUI work and VC++ for the non visual work. MFC has never been RAD. Quote: if microsoft increased it's shareholding in Borland would it retain Builder as a flagship product? I see no reason why. MS dominates the Windows C++ market without RAD today and has for years. MS's stake in Borland is totally non voting class C stock and the result of of lawsuit settlement (and helped fund Kylix for one thing which was not in MS's interest at all). -- Jeff Overcash (TeamB) (Please do not email me directly unless asked. Thank You) If there is somebody up there could they throw me down a line. Just a little helping hand just a little understanding. Just some answers to the questions that surround me now. If there's somebody up there could they throw me down a line. (Fish) Back to top Michael McCulloch Guest Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 1:31 am    Post subject: Re: Microsofts shareholding in Borland On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:16:15 +1030, "Digby Millikan" <digbym (AT) internode (DOT) on.net> wrote: Quote: Does micosoft have a RAD C++ devepment enviroment competitive to Buider and VCL ... Visual Studio .NET 2003 and WinForms offer "managed C++" development that provides a somewhat similar environment to C++Builder. The problems to me include the fact that you must use the .NET runtime, have to deal with the "managed C++" memory issues when mixing managed/unmanaged code, and I've yet to discover how to write my own lightweight components (although I admit I haven't spent much time on it yet). However, this is definitely not the same as the old crufty MFC. It is moving in the right direction with regard to RAD features. It is just not mature yet. --- Michael McCulloch Back to top Martin Stainsby Guest Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 1:55 am    Post subject: Re: Microsofts shareholding in Borland "Digby Millikan" <digbym (AT) internode (DOT) on.net> wrote Quote: Does micosoft have a RAD C++ devepment enviroment competitive to Buider and VCL, how does it compare, if microsoft increased it's shareholding in Borland would it retain Builder as a flagship product? Looking at VS.net2003's Rad capabilities, it strikes me that by the time Longhorn is released in 2006, Visual studio will be an awesome rad development environment for .net. C# looks very promising.as a .net development language. Back to top Ed Mulroy [TeamB] Guest Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 2:23 am    Post subject: Re: Microsofts shareholding in Borland Look up what preferred stock is before you state that Microsoft, MS, holds shares of Borland. The term "preferred stock" really does not describe a stock at all but rather the lowest possible grade of bond and does not represent ownership. http://www.faqs.org/faqs/investment-faq/general/part13/ MS was being sued for targetting Borland's R&D staff. They received the disclosure of evidence as required prior to trial and in there was an item claiming that people working for Microsoft were in a hotel in San Jose making calls to Borland demanding the list of R&D employees and their home addresses and identifying themselves as investigators from the Federal Government. It is only a guess that this item is why, but after that MS decided to settle out of court. They asked that the terms of the settlement not be made public but soon after MS both gave Borland some money and bought preferred stock. Now if you wish to state the ownership of preferred stock in Borland means MS owns part of Borland, you are very wrong but the free speech guarantee in the 1st Ammendment allows you to do so. However if you do that realize this may identify you as part of the crowd of people wearing tinfoil hats. .. Ed Quote: Digby Millikan wrote in message news:3fb81a50 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Does micosoft have a RAD C++ devepment enviroment competitive to Buider and VCL, how does it compare, if microsoft increased it's shareholding in Borland would it retain Builder as a flagship product? Back to top David Ray Guest Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 4:11 am    Post subject: Re: Microsofts shareholding in Borland Actually, preferred stock is ownership. It is equity capital, NOT bonds. Preferred stock has some attributes that make it a little like debt (sometimes providing for a fixed percentage annual dividend, and getting preferential treatment over common shares in a liquidation). But it is, nevertheless, equity capital, is unsecured, and is part of stockholders' equity. The reference to "lowest grade bonds" relates only to preferred stock's status in a liquidation. Bottom line, you can't know whether a particular class of preferred really looks like a bond unless you look at the prospectus or related SEC filings. Just to set the record straight... "Ed Mulroy [TeamB]" <dont_email_me (AT) bitbuc (DOT) ket> wrote Quote: Look up what preferred stock is before you state that Microsoft, MS, holds shares of Borland. The term "preferred stock" really does not describe a stock at all but rather the lowest possible grade of bond and does not represent ownership. http://www.faqs.org/faqs/investment-faq/general/part13/ MS was being sued for targetting Borland's R&D staff. They received the disclosure of evidence as required prior to trial and in there was an item claiming that people working for Microsoft were in a hotel in San Jose making calls to Borland demanding the list of R&D employees and their home addresses and identifying themselves as investigators from the Federal Government. It is only a guess that this item is why, but after that MS decided to settle out of court. They asked that the terms of the settlement not be made public but soon after MS both gave Borland some money and bought preferred stock. Now if you wish to state the ownership of preferred stock in Borland means MS owns part of Borland, you are very wrong but the free speech guarantee in the 1st Ammendment allows you to do so. However if you do that realize this may identify you as part of the crowd of people wearing tinfoil hats. . Ed Digby Millikan wrote in message news:3fb81a50 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Does micosoft have a RAD C++ devepment enviroment competitive to Buider and VCL, how does it compare, if microsoft increased it's shareholding in Borland would it retain Builder as a flagship product? Back to top Gary Guest Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 11:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Microsofts shareholding in Borland Visual C++ is not RAD? Why the heck do they call it Visual? Gee wonder if I've ever seen Visual C++ ;) "Jeff Overcash (TeamB)" <jeffovercash (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Digby Millikan wrote: Does micosoft have a RAD C++ devepment enviroment competitive to Buider and VCL, how does it compare, No it does not. A lot of people use VB for their GUI work and VC++ for the non visual work. MFC has never been RAD. if microsoft increased it's shareholding in Borland would it retain Builder as a flagship product? I see no reason why. MS dominates the Windows C++ market without RAD today and has for years. MS's stake in Borland is totally non voting class C stock and the result of of lawsuit settlement (and helped fund Kylix for one thing which was not in MS's interest at all). -- Jeff Overcash (TeamB) (Please do not email me directly unless asked. Thank You) If there is somebody up there could they throw me down a line. Just a little helping hand just a little understanding. Just some answers to the questions that surround me now. If there's somebody up there could they throw me down a line. (Fish) Back to top R.F. Pels Guest Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 11:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Microsofts shareholding in Borland Gary wrote: Quote: Visual C++ is not RAD? Why the heck do they call it Visual? .... because you don't need edlin to edit your sources? <eg> -- Ruurd Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) All times are GMT Page 1 of 1   Jump to: Select a forum C++ Builder Newsgroups----------------C++ BuilderC++ Builder (ActiveX)C++ Builder (Announcements)C++ Builder (Command Line Tools)C++ Builder DatabasesC++ Builder Databases (ADO)C++ Builder Databases (Desktop)C++ Builder Databases (InterBase Express)C++ Builder Databases (Multi-Tier)C++ Builder Databases (SQL Servers)C++ Builder (Graphics)C++ Builder (IDE)C++ Builder (Internet)C++ Builder (Internet Socket)C++ Builder (Internet Web)C++ Builder (Jobs)C++ Builder (Language)C++ Builder (Language C++)C++ Builder (Compatibility with MFC)C++ Builder (Native API)C++ Builder (Non-Technical)C++ Builder (Students)C++ Builder (Third Party Tools)C++ Builder (Upgrade)C++ Builder (VCL)C++ Builder (VCL Components Usage)C++ Builder (VCL Components Development)C++ Builder (VCL Usage)C++ Builder (WinAPI)C++ Builder Installation Delphi Newsgroups----------------Delphi (General)Delphi ActiveX Controls UsageDelphi ActiveX Controls DevelopmentDelphi As400Delphi DatabasesDelphi Databases (ADO)Delphi Databases (dbExpress)Delphi Databases (Desktop)Delphi Databases (InterBase Express)Delphi Databases (Multi-Tier)Delphi Databases (SQL Servers)Delphi DeploymentDelphi GraphicsDelphi IDEDelphi InternationalizationDelphi InternetDelphi Internet Isapi-WebBrokerDelphi Internet WebSnapDelphi Internet WinsockDelphi JobsDelphi Language BASMDelphi Language ObjectPascalDelphi Model Driven Architecture (General)Delphi Model Driven Architecture (Third Party)Delphi MultimediaDelphi Native APIDelphi Non-TechnicalDelphi ObjectPascalDelphi OLE AutomationDelphi OO designDelphi OpenToolsAPIDelphi Reporting-ChartingDelphi RTLDelphi StudentsDelphi TeamSourceDelphi Thirdparty ToolsDelphi Thirdparty Tools (General)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (IntraWeb)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (RaveReports)Delphi UpgradeDelphi VCLDelphi VCL ComponentsDelphi VCL Components UsingDelphi VCL Components WritingDelphi WebServices SOAPDelphi WinAPIDelphi XMLDelphi Installationcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.misccomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.usagecomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.writingcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.databasescomp.lang.pascal.delphi.misccomp.sources.delphi JBuilder Newsgroups----------------JBuilderJBuilder AnnouncementsJBuilder Applet IssuesJBuilder As400JBuilder CompilerJBuilder CORBA/RMIJBuilder DatabasesJBuilder DB SwingJBuilder DebuggerJBuilder DeploymentJBuilder DocumentationJBuilder EnterpriseJBuilder HandheldJBuilder IDEJBuilder JavaJBuilder JavaAPIJBuilder Java LanguageJBuilder Java SwingJBuilder Java BeansJBuilder Java Beans UsageJBuilder Java Beans DevelopmentJBuilder JBCLJBuilder JDataStoreJBuilder JobsJBuilder LinuxJBuilder MacintoshJBuilder & MobileSetJBuilder MultiLingual AppsJBuilder Non-TechnicalJBuilder OpenToolsJBuilder Servlets (JSP)JBuilder StudentsJBuilder Team DevelopmentJBuilder Thirdparty ToolsJBuilder UpgradeJBuilder Installation InterBase Newsgroups----------------InterBaseInterBase Bug DiscussionInterBase GeneralInterBase IBConsoleInterBase OpenSourceInterBase ReplicationInterBase SQLInterBase ThirdpartyInterBase Installation Miscellaneous Borland Newsgroups----------------AppCenterAppServerEnteraVisiBroker  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.