BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  More on Robert Coates plan Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Doychin Bondzhev Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:08 pm    Post subject: More on Robert Coates plan http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050727/daw029.html?.v=16 Doychin Back to top Brian Moelk Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:24 pm    Post subject: Re: More on Robert Coates plan Quote: quote My plan will also ensure that Borland's customers and employees are made a priority. For that reason I would favor a transaction for Delphi that would result in a new private company ... /quote I've suggested that myself in the last 18 months and still think its a great idea. I don't think it's a bad idea to toss around; I haven't thought through all the ramifications and a lot depends on the specifics. He did also say that he would advocate a sale of Delphi/Deploy technologies and then a lot depends on the buyer. Even if he is and has been a thorn in the side of many companies, I'm glad someone is at least *talking* about Delphi in press releases as a significant product rather than the continual ALM/SDO we've been hearing about. -- Brian Moelk [email]bmoelk (AT) NObrainendeavorSPAM (DOT) FORc[/email]omME http://www.brainendeavor.com Back to top Dennis Landi Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:24 pm    Post subject: Re: More on Robert Coates plan "Brian Moelk" <bmoelk (AT) NObrainendeavorSPAM (DOT) FORcomME> wrote in Quote: Even if he is and has been a thorn in the side of many companies, I'm glad someone is at least *talking* about Delphi in press releases as a significant product rather than the continual ALM/SDO we've been hearing about. It is my considered opinion that Delphi's best interests have diverged from Borland's. -- d --------------------------------------------------- Need to see what's happening? Check out the Delphi Community Blog Aggregator http://delphi.flashblogger.com Back to top TObject Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:33 pm    Post subject: Re: More on Robert Coates plan "Doychin Bondzhev" <doychin (AT) dsoft-bg (DOT) com> wrote Quote: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050727/daw029.html?.v=16 He's got it wrong. The ALM, being a niche offering, should be jettisoned from Borland. Not Delphi. Back to top Sebastian Ledesma Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:38 pm    Post subject: Re: More on Robert Coates plan I Agree. Delphi represents more the essence of Borland and not ALM. ALM remember more the 'Inprise-era', it deserves their space but not with Borland name. If ALM is so good (i think it really it's) it has to show it by itself. Saludos Sebastian "TObject" <newsgroupreader (AT) pronografics (DOT) com> escribió en el mensaje news:42e7ef34$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: "Doychin Bondzhev" <doychin (AT) dsoft-bg (DOT) com> wrote http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050727/daw029.html?.v=16 He's got it wrong. The ALM, being a niche offering, should be jettisoned from Borland. Not Delphi. Back to top Brian Moelk Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:38 pm    Post subject: Re: More on Robert Coates plan Quote: It is my considered opinion that Delphi's best interests have diverged from Borland's. Yeah, I can see that. The devil is in the details though. The new company must be adequately funded and most of the existing Delphi-oriented employees need to be retained. If Delphi is acquired by someone, who the buyer is makes a huge difference. Potential buyers have been discussed here before: Sun, Oracle, HP, MS...Novell, Symantec . Maybe Apple? Apple would be interesting. Regardless, it's something that I'm going to reserve judgement about until all the details are flushed out. It's just way too early to tell what's going to happen with Borland. -- Brian Moelk [email]bmoelk (AT) NObrainendeavorSPAM (DOT) FORc[/email]omME http://www.brainendeavor.com Back to top Dennis Landi Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:38 pm    Post subject: Re: More on Robert Coates plan "Brian Moelk" <bmoelk (AT) NObrainendeavorSPAM (DOT) FORcomME> wrote Quote: It is my considered opinion that Delphi's best interests have diverged from Borland's. Yeah, I can see that. The devil is in the details though. The new company must be adequately funded and most of the existing Delphi-oriented employees need to be retained. If Delphi is acquired by someone, who the buyer is makes a huge difference. Potential buyers have been discussed here before: Sun, Oracle, HP, MS...Novell, Symantec . Maybe Apple? Apple would be interesting. Regardless, it's something that I'm going to reserve judgement about until all the details are flushed out. It's just way too early to tell what's going to happen with Borland. Delphi needs to go private. Period. If Coates can make that happen then that is fantastic. The general consensus has always been that Delphi never has enough development resources even though the product brings in millions of dollars in revenue. And why is that? The explanation has always been "share holder value" . Well, let's take the share holder out of the equation. Make Delphi employee-owned and give the product the development resources that it has earned through its own revenue. Where do I sign up? -- d --------------------------------------------------- Need to see what's happening? Check out the Delphi Community Blog Aggregator http://delphi.flashblogger.com Back to top Dennis Landi Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:52 pm    Post subject: Re: More on Robert Coates plan "Brian Moelk" <bmoelk (AT) NObrainendeavorSPAM (DOT) FORcomME> wrote Quote: Delphi needs to go private. Period. If Coates can make that happen then that is fantastic. That may be only *one* of the possibilities Coates has in mind. According to the quote I posted in my original message in this thread that is exactly what he *says* he wants to do. -- d --------------------------------------------------- Need to see what's happening? Check out the Delphi Community Blog Aggregator http://delphi.flashblogger.com Back to top Brian Moelk Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:54 pm    Post subject: Re: More on Robert Coates plan Quote: Delphi needs to go private. Period. If Coates can make that happen then that is fantastic. That may be only *one* of the possibilities Coates has in mind. So like I said, it's probably wise to wait and see before passing judgement one way or another. Besides, Coates might not be able to persuade the majority stockholders of any change at all. Quote: The general consensus has always been that Delphi never has enough development resources even though the product brings in millions of dollars in revenue. Perhaps, I don't know the specific numbers so it's tough to say. Quote: And why is that? The explanation has always been "share holder value" . Well, let's take the share holder out of the equation. Make Delphi employee-owned and give the product the development resources that it has earned through its own revenue. The new company would need a decent amount of seed money. I doubt the existing employees would be able to fund it themselves. And the "problem" with getting investors to fund that kind of venture, is that those investors want a return on their investment and will push any private company to go public. -- Brian Moelk [email]bmoelk (AT) NObrainendeavorSPAM (DOT) FORc[/email]omME http://www.brainendeavor.com Back to top Brian Moelk Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 9:05 pm    Post subject: Re: More on Robert Coates plan Quote: According to the quote I posted in my original message in this thread that is exactly what he *says* he wants to do. But he might not be able to convince the majority share holders to do so, and he also says: "I believe that Borland can maximize the value of the Delphi and the Deploy (Visibroker, Borland Application Server and related software) product groups by spinning them off or selling them as soon as possible." It's not clear cut that that is what will happen even if Coates "favors" it. ISTM, his priority lies in refocusing Borland around the ALM stuff, which indicates that he'd be willing to compromise on what he wants for Delphi. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but I'm not going to get my hopes up just because this Coates guy is making some noise about it. At this point in time, what's most important for Delphi IMO, is what Borland does with DeXter. -- Brian Moelk [email]bmoelk (AT) NObrainendeavorSPAM (DOT) FORc[/email]omME http://www.brainendeavor.com Back to top Lee Grissom Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 9:15 pm    Post subject: Re: More on Robert Coates plan "Doychin Bondzhev" wrote Quote: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050727/daw029.html?.v=16 FWIW, he has a very intriguing proposal about Delphi. Would love to hear more on this particular subject. -- Lee Back to top Derek Davidson Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 9:16 pm    Post subject: Re: More on Robert Coates plan Dennis Landi wrote: Quote: I've suggested that myself in the last 18 months and still think its a great idea. Hear, hear. Me too. -- Derek Davidson Back to top Kirk Halgren Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 9:24 pm    Post subject: Re: More on Robert Coates plan "Brian Moelk" <bmoelk (AT) NObrainendeavorSPAM (DOT) FORcomME> wrote Quote: It is my considered opinion that Delphi's best interests have diverged from Borland's. snip Regardless, it's something that I'm going to reserve judgement about until all the details are flushed out. It's just way too early to tell what's going to happen with Borland. Hi, Brian, I think you mean "fleshed out." ;-) OTOH, ... -- Kirk Halgren "OLE's demands on system resources are so high that it is tempting to think that it will never prove useful to a large number of users. However, the same thing was said about GUIs, and now we are all using them-and they are actually quite snappy if you have a fast 486 or Pentium." -- Charlie Calvert, Delphi Unleashed © 1995, p797 Back to top Brian Moelk Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 9:29 pm    Post subject: Re: More on Robert Coates plan Quote: I think you mean "fleshed out." LOL. Yes I did. -- Brian Moelk [email]bmoelk (AT) NObrainendeavorSPAM (DOT) FORc[/email]omME http://www.brainendeavor.com Back to top Hannes Danzl[NDD] Guest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 10:28 pm    Post subject: Re: More on Robert Coates plan Quote: I've suggested that myself in the last 18 months and still think its a great idea. All fine, if the new company has a worldwide sales/marketing AND support infrastructure at hand. 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