BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Native Delphi IDE Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Fritz Huber Guest Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 9:14 pm    Post subject: Native Delphi IDE Just read a thread in a german forum, where somebody was looking for a Delphi 7, because he didn't like the Galileo based IDE at all. Since I feel the same way and thus am still on D6, I was wondering how you guys feel about this issue. This is how it looks from my perspective: Before Galileo, everything was fine, at least in the Windows world. OK, the editor was kind of lousy and the debugger could have been improved - but nothing really serious. But then came the switch. Now it seems like they are still recovering from that decision. What do you guys think? Would there be enough customer demand for a native only IDE? Sure would make a nice headline: "DevCo decides that .NET just doesn't cut it for IDEs", "DevCo fights the bloat and trumps MS", "Delphi runs circles around Java and .NET" Lots of free viral marketing guaranteed. Back to top Ramona van Riet Guest Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 9:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Native Delphi IDE Om 23:07:22 uur, 11.05.2006, schreef Fritz Huber: Quote: Just read a thread in a german forum, where somebody was looking for a Delphi 7, because he didn't like the Galileo based IDE at all. Since I feel the same way and thus am still on D6, I was wondering how you guys feel about this issue. If you included gals too: I love the new IDE. I like it much more than the old D1-D7 style IDE. I had problems getting used to docked mode, in the beginning, but now I prefer it much over the floating design. I also wouldn't want to miss the many new features of the IDE. I just don't like the help. It needs a lot of polishing, more examples and many more links from one topic to the other. I wish they'd document classes the way Microsoft does. -- Ramona Back to top Dennis Landi Guest Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Native Delphi IDE Fritz Huber wrote: Quote: If you included gals too: You guys includes gals ;) Oh, you mean "youse guys", now I'm with ya. -d Back to top Larry Maturo Guest Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Native Delphi IDE I like the new IDE also. I'm still trying to adjust to the .dfm and .pas files not be simuetaneously available, and I'm kind of surprised that the name of component would be listed under miscellaneous, but other than that I adapted pretty good in just a few hours of use. I haven't had a big problem with help yet either, although it bugs me that I can't set to it Win32 and have it remember it until I change my mind. It's really irrating to, when I do set the filter to Win32, and it still gives me a choice between a Win32 and .NET version of something. Agh!!! Despite all that, I wouldn't go back. -- Larry Maturo "Ramona van Riet" <RamonaVanRiet (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:xn0em43hrcyyras01t (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Om 23:07:22 uur, 11.05.2006, schreef Fritz Huber: Just read a thread in a german forum, where somebody was looking for a Delphi 7, because he didn't like the Galileo based IDE at all. Since I feel the same way and thus am still on D6, I was wondering how you guys feel about this issue. If you included gals too: I love the new IDE. I like it much more than the old D1-D7 style IDE. I had problems getting used to docked mode, in the beginning, but now I prefer it much over the floating design. I also wouldn't want to miss the many new features of the IDE. I just don't like the help. It needs a lot of polishing, more examples and many more links from one topic to the other. I wish they'd document classes the way Microsoft does. -- Ramona Back to top Dennis Landi Guest Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Native Delphi IDE Fritz Huber wrote: Quote: Oh, you mean "youse guys", now I'm with ya. You lost me on that one dict.leo.org didn't come up with anything either... You might have to have family from Pennsylvania, or some place near a coal mine... ;-) -d Back to top Blackbird Crow Raven Guest Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Native Delphi IDE "Dennis Landi" <dennis (AT) dennislandi (DOT) com> wrote in message news:4463abc1$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: You might have to have family from Pennsylvania, or some place near a coal mine... I think "youse guys" is more of a Brooklyn "thing." Then again, I've never lived in PA. Back to top Dennis Landi Guest Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Native Delphi IDE Fritz Huber wrote: Quote: Isolationism leads to ... well... /isolation/. Not a good place to be when a product depends on community, commerce and mutual advocacy... But it can be a good thing to be different. Just look at Apple and Nintendo. Hey, I *like* different. ECO is not just different it has real potential once it grows up a bit. Since it lives on top of .NET, we can't throw out the bath water without the baby. Better to help it evolve and see what opportunities arise. -d Back to top Fritz Huber Guest Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Native Delphi IDE Quote: Oh, you mean "youse guys", now I'm with ya. You lost me on that one dict.leo.org didn't come up with anything either... Back to top Charles McAllister Guest Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Native Delphi IDE Dennis Landi wrote: Quote: Fritz Huber wrote: If you included gals too: You guys includes gals ;) Oh, you mean "youse guys", now I'm with ya. -d where i'm from we just say "youins" or "yall", as in "How youins feel about a native IDE?" Back to top Dennis Landi Guest Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Native Delphi IDE Fritz Huber wrote: Quote: What do you guys think? Would there be enough customer demand for a native only IDE? In the recent past, I've floated the idea of marketing a "Delphi Classic" (ala Coke Classic) native compiler. which was essentially the Delphi 7 IDE with various IDE updates (refactoring etc.). It was not well recieved by (some of) my peers (and I use that word loosely).... <g>. But to answer your question. IMO, the problem isn't that there is no demand for a native compiler IDE; but, that there is no demand for a ..NET IDE for Delphi.... And so if you cut the Delphi for .NET IDE loose to survive on its own merits, it wouldn't.... So, after some consideration I've come to the question: "Why not /incubate/ Delphi for .NET, C# and more significantly /ECO/, until it has found its sea legs in this ocean of uncertainty and doubt?" <g> If you want to just launch the native Delphi personality in 2006, you can, so I don't think its much of an issue any longer; and meanwhile, with 2006, we native compiler heads don't have to become completely isolationist in the "platform wars". Isolationism leads to ... well... /isolation/. Not a good place to be when a product depends on community, commerce and mutual advocacy... -d Back to top Fritz Huber Guest Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Native Delphi IDE Quote: If you included gals too: You guys includes gals ;) Quote: I just don't like the help. It needs a lot of polishing, more examples and many more links from one topic to the other. I wish they'd document classes the way Microsoft does. I can never find anything in Microsoft's documentation - too much, and always the wrong thing. I have a better chance of finding anything in Google than in a MS-helpfile. I really like the old style Borland helpfiles. Short, precise, and quite often exactly what I'm looking for. Back to top Fritz Huber Guest Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Native Delphi IDE Quote: But to answer your question. IMO, the problem isn't that there is no demand for a native compiler IDE; but, that there is no demand for a .NET IDE for Delphi.... Especially if it's always a version behind. I agree, Delphi for .NET doesn't make a whole lot of sense for most people. Quote: And so if you cut the Delphi for .NET IDE loose to survive on its own merits, it wouldn't.... So let it die in piece. Or let Remobjects take care of it. Quote: Isolationism leads to ... well... /isolation/. Not a good place to be when a product depends on community, commerce and mutual advocacy... But it can be a good thing to be different. Just look at Apple and Nintendo. Back to top Liz Guest Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Native Delphi IDE Fritz Huber wrote: Quote: Since I feel the same way and thus am still on D6, I was wondering how you guys feel about this issue. It took a little getting used to, but then I guess not much more than any new version of anything else.. if a girly opinion counts -- Liz the Brit Delphi things I have released: http://www.xcalibur.co.uk/DelphiThings Back to top Trevor de Koekkoek Guest Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 11:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Native Delphi IDE "Fritz Huber" <fh (AT) soginet (DOT) at> wrote in message news:4463a9e9$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: I can never find anything in Microsoft's documentation - too much, and always the wrong thing. I have a better chance of finding anything in Google than in a MS-helpfile. Yeah i hate the new MS Help. It takes forever to come up. I like good ol HtmlHelp. I just use Google. -- Trevor de Koekkoek http://www.aspevia.com Google Sitemap Generator: http://www.sitemagellan.com Back to top Martin Waldenburg Guest Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 11:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Native Delphi IDE Dennis Landi wrote: Quote: can't throw out the bath water without the baby. would be fine for me in this case. 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