BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Neophyte question          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Paul Schuytema Guest Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:23 pm    Post subject: Neophyte question I'm trying to track down the best development environment to do some fairly simple little windows programs (manipulating some small databases with controls like treeviews and such)... my primary goal is to make these as small as possible for downloading (lean and mean shareware is what we're talking about)... so anything .NET is out... I really don't know that much about Delphi or C++ Builder, but both of those environments were suggested to me from some of the other newsgroups out there (I'm familair with MSoft's Visual C++ and VB--and I'm not sure either of those are the right tools), so I was interested in the C++ Builder community's view... is it a good tool for very simple (and small) development and deployment? Thanks much! Paul Schuytema [email]paul (AT) mlantern (DOT) com[/email] www.lanterngames.com Back to top Alex Bakaev Guest Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Neophyte question Paul Schuytema wrote: [snip] Quote: community's view... is it a good tool for very simple (and small) development and deployment? It's a very easy tool to use. It will not produce the smallest executables, but as the size of your applications grows, the overhead introduced by the tool gets smaller and smaller. ..a Back to top Michael Gillen Guest Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Neophyte question Paul Schuytema wrote: Quote: I really don't know that much about Delphi or C++ Builder, but both of those environments were suggested to me from some of the other newsgroups out there (I'm familair with MSoft's Visual C++ and VB--and I'm not sure either of those are the right tools), so I was interested in the C++ Builder community's view... is it a good tool for very simple (and small) development and deployment? I'm not really sure of the best answer for a tool, but I use ASPack: http://www.aspack.com/ to shrink my EXE's by about 60%. You might want to try it out. -Mike Back to top Max Headroom Guest Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 3:23 am    Post subject: Re: Neophyte question Take a look at this page: http://bdn.borland.com/article/0,1410,32862,00.html Click on the left side of the screen to match your screen resolution and watch the demonstration. This should give you an example of how quickly you can create a running EXE in BCB or Delphi. In BCB6, I created and ran this same little program in about 30 seconds. It created a 25Kb EXE. The next question that confronts you is; Do you want to program in C++ or Pascal? If you choose Delphi, you will be programming in Pascal. Remember that Delphi is the last remaining signifigant Pascal product on the market. If you choose BCB, you will be programming in C++. The demonstration above is a demo of a future product, BDS, to be released in 2005, that will allow ont to program in BCB C++, Delphi Pascal, or .NET c#. If you want to go C++, I would suggest you buy a BCB personal or a copy off eBay for now to get started. That should keep you busy for a while. Save your real money until the BDS comes out. Finally, there is no need to debase yourself in these fourms with terms like "Neophyte." Every person in this forum has something that they do not know. Max Back to top Leroy Casterline Guest Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 6:52 am    Post subject: Re: Neophyte question "Paul Schuytema" <paul (AT) mlantern (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: small as possible for downloading (lean and mean shareware is what we're talking about)... so anything .NET is out... Unless you have a target market that will specifically have a slow .Net connection, I wouldn't worry about size too much. Even with my relatively slow ISDN line (128Kb/sec), I can download a large app in a reasonable time. I think you'll find that either BCB or Delphi (depending on your preference for Object Pascal vs C++) will be your best bet overall. Nothing beats them for general Win32 apps (and if you choose Delphi, you get .NET apps at a very low [programming] cost as well). This may apply to BCB once it has been rolled into BDS (the Delphi 2005 IDE, coming soon to a computer near me). However, if small size is an absolute must, MS tools will almost do the best job because the support libraries ship with the OS. Back to top Leroy Casterline Guest Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 8:22 am    Post subject: Re: Neophyte question Leroy Casterline <casterle (AT) ccltd (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: "Paul Schuytema" <paul (AT) mlantern (DOT) com> wrote: Unless you have a target market that will specifically have a slow .Net I meant a slow network connection, but you knew that... Back to top Simon D Guest Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 9:32 am    Post subject: Re: Neophyte question "Max Headroom" <Max@dont[send[me[nospam.com> wrote Quote: Click on the left side of the screen to match your screen resolution and watch the demonstration. This should give you an example of how quickly you can create a running EXE in BCB or Delphi. In BCB6, I created and ran this same little program in about 30 seconds. It created a 25Kb EXE. Yes, but your application was dynamically linking to borland packages, which will increase the size of a download for other users. That or you build a stand alone app which will be a fair bit bigger. Simon. Back to top George Gombos Guest Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 12:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Neophyte question Leroy Casterline wrote: Quote: Leroy Casterline <casterle (AT) ccltd (DOT) com> wrote: "Paul Schuytema" <paul (AT) mlantern (DOT) com> wrote: Unless you have a target market that will specifically have a slow .Net I meant a slow network connection, but you knew that... 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