BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Neophyte question Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Paul Schuytema Guest Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:21 pm    Post subject: Neophyte question I'm trying to track down the best development environment to do some fairly simple little windows programs (manipulating some small databases with controls like treeviews and such)... my primary goal is to make these as small as possible for downloading (lean and mean shareware is what we're talking about)... so anything .NET is out... I really don't know that much about Delphi or C++ Builder, but both of those environments were suggested to me from some of the other newsgroups out there (I'm familair with MSoft's Visual C++ and VB--and I'm not sure either of those are the right tools), so I was interested in the Delphi community's view... is it a good tool for very simple (and small) deployment? Thanks much! Paul Schuytema [email]paul (AT) mlantern (DOT) com[/email] www.lanterngames.com Back to top Jacob Thurman Guest Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Neophyte question Quote: controls like treeviews and such)... my primary goal is to make these as small as possible for downloading (lean and mean shareware is what we're Sounds like Delphi is perfect for what you want. There are tons of shareware-esque applications on the web these days that were programmed in Delphi. Delphi lets you write the application quickly and in a way that you'll enjoy, while keeping exe sizes reasonable. --Jacob http://www.delphi-expert.com Back to top Liz Guest Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Neophyte question Jacob Thurman wrote: Quote: Sounds like Delphi is perfect for what you want. There are tons of shareware-esque applications on the web these days that were programmed in Delphi. Delphi lets you write the application quickly and in a way that you'll enjoy, while keeping exe sizes reasonable. You forgot one of the most important factors, delphi also allows easy coding like vb, but you dont need to shop 50 DLLs with it, in fact, often its just the exe :) Back to top Paul Schuytema Guest Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 11:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Neophyte question Quote: You forgot one of the most important factors, delphi also allows easy coding like vb, but you dont need to shop 50 DLLs with it, in fact, often its just the exe You've hit on one of the keys I'm looking for--minimal or no external dependencies... just a program and the files it needs to run. I just spend some time looking over a quick Delphi demo and it looks like the language is pretty darn close to Pascal (even has the *.pas extension), which is what I coded in during my early Mac days... Is it possible to get a functional application together in Delphi that can deploy in under 5MB? Thanks again for the quick replies! -Paul Schuytema [email]paul (AT) mlantern (DOT) com[/email] www.lanterngames.com Back to top Kevin Berry Guest Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 11:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Neophyte question Paul Schuytema wrote: Quote: ... so I was interested in the Delphi community's view... is it a good tool for very simple (and small) deployment? Delphi is perfect for shareware apps: * The executables produced by the Delphi compiler allow for very simple deployment (no runtime dependencies). * The IDE and language is powerful so it's easy for individuals to produce commercial-quality apps. Where it beats VB6: * Provided component framework (VCL) is much richer. * IDE is way more powerful and easy to use. Ironically, VB is supposed to be great for developing UIs but it is actually quite poor in this area compared to Delphi. You'll find that Borland has put a lot of thought into the little things that round off the IDE nicely for GUI development. * Language is object-oriented and this benefits you by allowing you to produce your own components that are _WAY_ more flexible than VB6's user controls. It even has something analogous to user controls that is actually quite a bit more flexible: frames (not to be confused with VB's frames). * Really powerful: you can get down to the low-level if you need to with the built-in assember and CPU disassembly view. * Many other areas... Where it beats C++: * Much more productive. You'll put UIs together much quicker. * Powerful, but easy to use. It is truly as powerful as C++ while being pretty close to VB's easy of use (the only negative is getting used to freeing objects if you come from a VB background). * Much more gradual learning curve. In addition: * Delphi component source code can be found for free on the web. There's plenty of code to do whatever you want. People have been able to write components for Delphi since version 1. A few good examples of shareware apps written using Delphi: * Beyond Compare (www.scootersoftware.com) * FeedDemon (www.bradsoft.com) * Powerarchiver (www.powerarchiver.com) * Cybersitter (www.cybersitte.com) * Pocomail (www.pocomail.com) * Webroot Spysweeper (www.webroot.com) * Homesite (www.macromedia.com) - it started out as shareware * .... Cheers, Kevin. -- Need to compare and synchronize SQL Server schemas? http://www.berryware.com/sqlmatcher/ Back to top Kevin Berry Guest Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 11:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Neophyte question Paul Schuytema wrote: Quote: Is it possible to get a functional application together in Delphi that can deploy in under 5MB? Here are some good examples on the Bradsoft site: http://www.feeddemon.com/download/index.asp FeedDemon 1.11.3 (2.29MB) TopStyle Pro 3.10 Trial Version (3.74MB) Both good quality apps that are fairly substantial. Cheers, Kevin. -- Need to compare and synchronize SQL Server schemas? http://www.berryware.com/sqlmatcher/ Back to top Andrea Raimondi Guest Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 11:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Neophyte question Paul Schuytema wrote: Quote: Is it possible to get a functional application together in Delphi that can deploy in under 5MB? Depends on the application :-) I've written several that are well below that size :-) Quote: Thanks again for the quick replies! Welcome, Quote: -Paul Schuytema Andrew -- Online thoughts blog http://araimondi.blogspot.com Back to top Dave White Guest Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 11:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Neophyte question "Paul Schuytema" <paul (AT) mlantern (DOT) com> wrote Quote: I just spend some time looking over a quick Delphi demo and it looks like the language is pretty darn close to Pascal (even has the *.pas extension), which is what I coded in during my early Mac days... That's because it is Pascal <G> - Delphi is the development environment, and the language is Object Pascal Back to top Kevin Berry Guest Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 11:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Neophyte question Dave White wrote: Quote: That's because it is Pascal <G> - Delphi is the development environment, and the language is Object Pascal Well... not officially. Object Pascal was the language Niklaus Wirth and Apple developed. Borland has extended Object Pascal to the extent that it is a unique enough version of Object Pascal that is sufficiently different and is now called by another name: Delphi. Nah.... OK, the real reason is that Borland decided to call it Delphi instead. No longer Object Pascal. Cheers, Kevin. Back to top Mario A. Montoya (mamcx) Guest Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 2:44 am    Post subject: Re: Neophyte question I build a aplication for record student notes with Grid, database in xml, reporting, etc.. and fit and work on a disquette.... Back to top Kevin Frevert Guest Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 3:42 am    Post subject: Re: Neophyte question "Paul Schuytema" <paul (AT) mlantern (DOT) com> wrote Quote: I'm trying to track down the best development environment http://www.codefez.com/Default.aspx?tabid=79&newsType=ArticleView&articleId=47 Good luck, krf Back to top David Clegg Guest Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 5:21 am    Post subject: Re: Neophyte question Dave White wrote: Quote: Delphi is the development environment, and the language is Object Pascal <finger hovering over Ignore Thread button> Oh boy here we go again... :-) -- Cheers, David Clegg [email]dclegg (AT) gmail (DOT) com[/email] Vote 1 http://cc.borland.com/codecentral/ccweb.exe/listing?id=21489 Now supports Google Groups searching with Dyna-extend(tm) technology! QualityCentral. The best way to bug Borland about bugs. http://qc.borland.com "Where's the 'Any' Key?" - Homer Simpson Back to top Herbert M Sauro Guest Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 5:34 am    Post subject: Re: Neophyte question Having ventured to another IDE in the last few years i.e Visual Studio, I believe that Delphi is on the whole better, it's more mature, easier to navigate, the component pack is more extensive and much to my surprise I found Windows Forms quite primitive in some respects compared to VCL. Herbert Sauro "Kevin Frevert" <drinkingcoffee (AT) hotel_at_borcon (DOT) com> wrote Quote: "Paul Schuytema" <paul (AT) mlantern (DOT) com> wrote in message news:41c8a11d (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... I'm trying to track down the best development environment http://www.codefez.com/Default.aspx?tabid=79&newsType=ArticleView&articleId=47 Good luck, krf Back to top Colin Wilson Guest Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 8:18 am    Post subject: Re: Neophyte question Paul Schuytema wrote: Quote: Is it possible to get a functional application together in Delphi that can deploy in under 5MB? XanaNews is 2.6 Mb -- Colin - Author of XanaNews Back to top Peter Müller-Mannhardt Guest Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 9:32 am    Post subject: Re: Neophyte question More free stuff written in Delphi: Outliner IDEA! you'll find it on www.sycon.de at least the privat edition is free PMM Kevin Berry wrote: Quote: Paul Schuytema wrote: ... so I was interested in the Delphi community's view... is it a good tool for very simple (and small) deployment? Delphi is perfect for shareware apps: * The executables produced by the Delphi compiler allow for very simple deployment (no runtime dependencies). * The IDE and language is powerful so it's easy for individuals to produce commercial-quality apps. Where it beats VB6: * Provided component framework (VCL) is much richer. * IDE is way more powerful and easy to use. Ironically, VB is supposed to be great for developing UIs but it is actually quite poor in this area compared to Delphi. You'll find that Borland has put a lot of thought into the little things that round off the IDE nicely for GUI development. * Language is object-oriented and this benefits you by allowing you to produce your own components that are WAY more flexible than VB6's user controls. It even has something analogous to user controls that is actually quite a bit more flexible: frames (not to be confused with VB's frames). * Really powerful: you can get down to the low-level if you need to with the built-in assember and CPU disassembly view. * Many other areas... Where it beats C++: * Much more productive. You'll put UIs together much quicker. * Powerful, but easy to use. It is truly as powerful as C++ while being pretty close to VB's easy of use (the only negative is getting used to freeing objects if you come from a VB background). * Much more gradual learning curve. In addition: * Delphi component source code can be found for free on the web. There's plenty of code to do whatever you want. People have been able to write components for Delphi since version 1. A few good examples of shareware apps written using Delphi: * Beyond Compare (www.scootersoftware.com) * FeedDemon (www.bradsoft.com) * Powerarchiver (www.powerarchiver.com) * Cybersitter (www.cybersitte.com) * Pocomail (www.pocomail.com) * Webroot Spysweeper (www.webroot.com) * Homesite (www.macromedia.com) - it started out as shareware * .... 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