BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  .NET and performance          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Holger Flick Guest Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 2:56 pm    Post subject: .NET and performance Hi people, we had the discussion about .NET being slow and that you have to get a "good" PC system. Okay, I am getting a new one, however, processor speed and disk speed is everything, I guess. As well as a modest amount of memory (as Donkey would put it ) I have two questions and I'd like to get your two cents about it: - will .NET take advantage of a two-CPU system when compiling the machine code? - my design for the PC system has 1 GB memory. Will more memory make sense for .NET speed during development of db apps? Any thoughts are appreciated. -- Holger Back to top Alessandro Federici Guest Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 3:57 pm    Post subject: Re: .NET and performance "Holger Flick" <rammbaer (AT) xyz (DOT) gmx.de> wrote Quote: [..] however, processor speed and disk speed is everything, I guess. As well as a modest amount of memory (as Donkey would put it ) Not really. You can waste a lot of power with a crappy motherboard and/or memory. In my experience those plus a good set of disks is what makes the real difference. Quote: - will .NET take advantage of a two-CPU system when compiling the machine code? AFAIK the GC will benefit from it Quote: - my design for the PC system has 1 GB memory. Will more memory make sense for .NET speed during development of db apps? It all depends on the type of apps you write. For end user app, 1Gb is more than plenty. For server apps (even Win32) with a lot of concurrency, Oracle <G>, etc. 2Gb might be better. Still, since memory is so cheap these days, why not get 2 and be done with it? ;-) My 2c, Alessandro Federici Back to top TSool Guest Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 4:32 pm    Post subject: Re: .NET and performance Hi A., I will tell you why it is a problem: most motherboards come with 3 slots. But all memory management is based on dual routines... So I either take two 512 or two 1 GB. Difference is: 2 GB is four-times as expensive!!! Thanx for your comments! They are really helpful! -- Holger Quote: "Holger Flick" <rammbaer (AT) xyz (DOT) gmx.de> wrote in message news:41051ba9 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... [..] however, processor speed and disk speed is everything, I guess. As well as a modest amount of memory (as Donkey would put it ) Not really. You can waste a lot of power with a crappy motherboard and/or memory. In my experience those plus a good set of disks is what makes the real difference. - will .NET take advantage of a two-CPU system when compiling the machine code? AFAIK the GC will benefit from it - my design for the PC system has 1 GB memory. Will more memory make sense for .NET speed during development of db apps? It all depends on the type of apps you write. For end user app, 1Gb is more than plenty. For server apps (even Win32) with a lot of concurrency, Oracle G>, etc. 2Gb might be better. Still, since memory is so cheap these days, why not get 2 and be done with it? ;-) My 2c, Alessandro Federici --- posted by geoForum on http://delphi.newswhat.com Back to top Jackie Martling Guest Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 5:06 pm    Post subject: Re: .NET and performance "TSool" <rammbaer (AT) nospam (DOT) pls.gmx.de> wrote Quote: Hi A., I will tell you why it is a problem: most motherboards come with 3 slots. But all memory management is based on dual routines... So I either take two 512 or two 1 GB. Difference is: 2 GB is four-times as expensive!!! Newer dual channel memory motherboards will always come with an even number of slots and most of those come with 4. 512MB of Kingston DDR400 only costs $84.00. Get 1GB and try it out, if you need more then get more. Back to top Alessandro Federici Guest Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:23 am    Post subject: Re: .NET and performance "TSool" <rammbaer (AT) nospam (DOT) pls.gmx.de> wrote [..] Quote: I will tell you why it is a problem: most motherboards come with 3 slots. ??? Not where I live ;-) Back to top Holger Flick Guest Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 8:04 am    Post subject: Re: .NET and performance Hi again, I contacted my vendor again and he explained the situation in detail to me. I wan t a AMD Athlon64 and the thing is that most boards are with 3 slots. Maybe I should have told you which CPU needs I have. If you can afford an Opteron it's no problem to get 4 slots, you're right. -- Holger Alessandro Federici wrote: Quote: "TSool" <rammbaer (AT) nospam (DOT) pls.gmx.de> wrote in message news:41053239$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... [..] I will tell you why it is a problem: most motherboards come with 3 slots. ??? Not where I live Back to top John Evenosky Guest Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 1:29 pm    Post subject: Re: .NET and performance In article <41075e1e (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, [email]rammbaer (AT) xyz (DOT) gmx.de[/email] says... Quote: Hi again, I contacted my vendor again and he explained the situation in detail to me. I wan t a AMD Athlon64 and the thing is that most boards are with 3 slots. Maybe I should have told you which CPU needs I have. If you can afford an Opteron it's no problem to get 4 slots, you're right. -- Hi Holger, Checkout the Socket 939 motherboards. They seem to all have 4 DIMM slots and they support the Athlon 64 and Ahtlon 64 FX processors. Back to top William Meyer Guest Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:50 pm    Post subject: Re: .NET and performance On 07/28/04, Holger Flick said: Quote: I contacted my vendor again and he explained the situation in detail to me. I wan t a AMD Athlon64 and the thing is that most boards are with 3 slots. Maybe I should have told you which CPU needs I have. If you can afford an Opteron it's no problem to get 4 slots, you're right. I see pretty good prices on Opteron, and have been very happy with the Tyan K8S (S2850) motherboard, which has six slots -- a vanishing breed. -- Bill -------- "I cannot under-take to lay my finger on that article in the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on the object of benevolence, the money of their constituents." -- James Madison Back to top William Meyer Guest Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:51 pm    Post subject: Re: .NET and performance On 07/28/04, William Meyer said: Quote: I see pretty good prices on Opteron, and have been very happy with the Tyan K8S (S2850) motherboard, which has six slots -- a vanishing breed. Sorry, I was thinking PCI slots. But the K8S does have 4 DIMM slots, too. -- Bill -------- "I cannot under-take to lay my finger on that article in the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on the object of benevolence, the money of their constituents." -- James Madison Back to top Brion L. Webster Guest Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 7:58 pm    Post subject: Re: .NET and performance William Meyer wrote: Quote: Sorry, I was thinking PCI slots. But the K8S does have 4 DIMM slots, too. Ah, but how many IDE slots does it have? -Brion Back to top William Meyer Guest Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:01 pm    Post subject: Re: .NET and performance On 07/28/04, Brion L. Webster said: Quote: Ah, but how many IDE slots does it have? 4 IDE, 4 DIMM, 4 SATA, 2 GbE, 6PCI http://tyan.com/products/html/tomcatk8s.html -- Bill -------- "I cannot under-take to lay my finger on that article in the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on the object of benevolence, the money of their constituents." -- James Madison Back to top Brion L. Webster Guest Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:15 pm    Post subject: Re: .NET and performance William Meyer wrote: Quote: On 07/28/04, Brion L. Webster said: Ah, but how many IDE slots does it have? 4 IDE, 4 DIMM, 4 SATA, 2 GbE, 6PCI http://tyan.com/products/html/tomcatk8s.html Oh, in my feeble attempt to ask a funny, I typed the wrong acronym. That should have been "how many ISA slots", or even "how many EISA slots". Since it's a Tyan board, I knew better than to ask "how many MicroChannel", although I did love those boards. http://kb.indiana.edu/data/acae.html Besides - isn't that 4 IDE channels, not slots? <g> -Brion Back to top William Meyer Guest Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:44 pm    Post subject: Re: .NET and performance On 07/28/04, Brion L. Webster said: Quote: Oh, in my feeble attempt to ask a funny, I typed the wrong acronym. Oh well, I wasn't sure if you were being funny... Quote: That should have been "how many ISA slots", or even "how many EISA slots". Since it's a Tyan board, I knew better than to ask "how many MicroChannel", although I did love those boards. I have to say, I never did... Quote: Besides - isn't that 4 IDE channels, not slots? <g Uh huh, but on these groups, you tend to get chewed up for correcting people about nearly anything! -- Bill -------- "I cannot under-take to lay my finger on that article in the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on the object of benevolence, the money of their constituents." -- James Madison Back to top Danny Thorpe Guest Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 7:36 am    Post subject: Re: .NET and performance Holger Flick wrote: Quote: - will .NET take advantage of a two-CPU system when compiling the machine code? No. The JIT compiler is not multi-threaded. Quote: - my design for the PC system has 1 GB memory. Will more memory make sense for .NET speed during development of db apps? Describe an application which would be degraded by having more available RAM? ;> -Danny -- Delphi Compiler Core: http://homepages.borland.com/dthorpe/blog/delphi/ Back to top William Meyer Guest Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:28 pm    Post subject: Re: .NET and performance On 08/18/04, Danny Thorpe said: Quote: Describe an application which would be degraded by having more available RAM? ; Exhaustive pattern testing? <g> -- Bill -------- "Reaching into one's own pocket to assist his fellow man is noble and worthy of praise. Reaching into another person's pocket to assist one's fellow man is despicable and worthy of condemnation." -- Walter E. 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