BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  .NET in future BCB release Goto page 1, 2  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Digby Millikan Guest Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:55 am    Post subject: .NET in future BCB release Hello, Will future BCB releases allow compilation with the ".NET" runtime libraries, will this be optional, as I've heard code compiled with the ".NET" runtimes is slower. Is the entire C++ language in these runtimes, or is it just a few classes, why is it called "managed" and ".NET"? Best Regards Digby Millikan Geolite Mining Systems www.users.on.net/~digbym [Adelaide, Australia] Back to top Guest Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:20 am    Post subject: Re: .NET in future BCB release G'day Mate! I'm afraid you do not know yet that Borland stopped support/development of BCB. It is death for some time. Quote: Hello, Will future BCB releases allow compilation with the ".NET" runtime libraries, will this be optional, as I've heard code compiled with the ".NET" runtimes is slower. Is the entire C++ language in these runtimes, or is it just a few classes, why is it called "managed" and ".NET"? Best Regards Digby Millikan Geolite Mining Systems www.users.on.net/~digbym [Adelaide, Australia] Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 8:54 am    Post subject: Re: .NET in future BCB release "Digby Millikan" <digbym (AT) internode (DOT) on.net> wrote Quote: Will future BCB releases allow compilation with the ".NET" runtime libraries No. The only way that BCB will include .NET support of any kind is if C++ is included as an additional personality in a future version of BDS (Borland Developer Studio). It is technically feasible, we saw a working demo at Borcon, so it is very likely that the next version of BCB will actually be a new release of BDS instead. BDS already includes support for Delphi and C# under .NET. Quote: I've heard code compiled with the ".NET" runtimes is slower. It can be. There is more overhead involved. Quote: Is the entire C++ language in these runtimes C++ is not part of .NET at all at this time. Well, the internal core of ..NET is written in C++, but users cannot current write C++ code that utilizes .NET, as C++ is not a supported language in .NET yet. Quote: why is it called "managed" Because the .NET framework handles all of the memory management on behalf of the application. Memory leaks and access violations are not supposed to be possible anymore because the framework keeps track of everything and generates runtime errors that the application can intercept if anything invalid is attempted. Gambit Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 8:57 am    Post subject: Re: .NET in future BCB release <bfz> wrote Quote: I'm afraid you do not know yet that Borland stopped support/development of BCB. You must not have been hanging around this group very long, or else you would know that what you claim is completely not true at all. At BorCon, Borland's own C++ developer team claimed that they not only did research and testing into a new version of BCB, but they actually want to release an new BCB version, and it is very likely to happen. Whether or not an updated BCB IDE will be released, or whether C++ will be introduced into BDS (Borland Developer Studio) instead, is not currently known. That question will be answered by December 15th. Gambit Back to top Andre Kaufmann Guest Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 9:56 am    Post subject: Re: .NET in future BCB release "Remy Lebeau (TeamB)" <no.spam (AT) no (DOT) spam.com> wrote Quote: bfz> wrote I'm afraid you do not know yet that Borland stopped support/development of BCB. You must not have been hanging around this group very long, or else you would know that what you claim is completely not true at all. At BorCon, Borland's own C++ developer team claimed that they not only did research and testing into a new version of BCB, but they actually want to release an new BCB version, and it is very likely to happen. Whether or not an updated BCB IDE will be released, or whether C++ will be introduced into BDS (Borland Developer Studio) instead, is not currently known. That question will be answered by December 15th. Just wondering why there is no official announcement in this group or on the Borland website: E.g.: Yes there will be a new version of BCB, details following at Dec. 15 th ? What´s so special about Dec. 15th ? Andre Back to top Mike Margerum Guest Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 4:33 pm    Post subject: Re: .NET in future BCB release Remy, If you are going to release a new BCB for BDS, please have it also work in .NET and use the new 2.0 C++ extensions. I don't want to have to buy both VS 2.0 and C++ Builder. Thanks Back to top Pete Fraser Guest Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 7:07 pm    Post subject: Re: .NET in future BCB release Remy doesn't work for Borland. TeamB are independent from Borland - they just like helping us out. Good for them! Pete "Mike Margerum" <mike (AT) junk (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Remy, If you are going to release a new BCB for BDS, please have it also work in .NET and use the new 2.0 C++ extensions. I don't want to have to buy both VS 2.0 and C++ Builder. Thanks Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 9:21 pm    Post subject: Re: .NET in future BCB release "Andre Kaufmann" <##andre_no_spam_.kaufmann_ (AT) _x_t-online (DOT) de##> wrote in message news:419f12d1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Just wondering why there is no official announcement in this group or on the Borland website: E.g.: Yes there will be a new version of BCB, details following at Dec. 15 th ? I never said a new BCB version was definate. I said it had been looked into, and that it was likely to happen since the developers want to do it. But the executables have not made up their minds yet one way or another. Quote: What´s so special about Dec. 15th ? The executives publically promised the users at the "Meet the C++ Team" session at BorCon that an answer regarding BCB's future would be given by December 15th. Gambit Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 9:24 pm    Post subject: Re: .NET in future BCB release "Mike Margerum" <mike (AT) junk (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Remy, If you are going to release a new BCB for BDS, please have it also work in .NET and use the new 2.0 C++ extensions. You are asking the wrong person. I am not a Borland employee. Please direct your feature requests to Borland directly, via QualityCentral (http://qc.borland.com) As for C++ working in .NET, it is up to Microsoft to implement such support in .NET first before Borland can even touch it. Also, the C++ extensions for .NET are currently being completely re-designed, so Borland can't implement them, either, until they are finished being standardized. Gambit Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 9:26 pm    Post subject: Re: .NET in future BCB release "Pete Fraser" <pete.fraser (AT) frasersoft (DOT) nospam.com> wrote Quote: TeamB are independent from Borland Not exactly. We are partners with Borland. Borland founded TeamB, and membership to TeamB requires Borland approval. Gambit Back to top Jeff Overcash (TeamB) Guest Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 4:56 am    Post subject: Re: .NET in future BCB release "Remy Lebeau (TeamB)" wrote: Quote: "Pete Fraser" <pete.fraser (AT) frasersoft (DOT) nospam.com> wrote in message news:419f9600$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... TeamB are independent from Borland Not exactly. We are partners with Borland. Borland founded TeamB, and membership to TeamB requires Borland approval. I think he meant we aren't employees, and indeed being hired by Borland means you have to resign from TeamB (as has happened in the past). Quote: Gambit -- Jeff Overcash (TeamB) (Please do not email me directly unless asked. Thank You) A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. (RAH) Back to top Digby Millikan Guest Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 5:03 am    Post subject: Re: .NET in future BCB release Would C++ in BDS be a year or more away as Delphi 2005 has just been released or would they release a new BDS for C++ inclusion. Digby Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:13 am    Post subject: Re: .NET in future BCB release "Jeff Overcash (TeamB)" <jeffovercash (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote Quote: being hired by Borland means you have to resign from TeamB Why? There are several Borland employees who are also on TeamB. Gambit Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:13 am    Post subject: Re: .NET in future BCB release "Digby Millikan" <digbym (AT) internode (DOT) on.net> wrote Quote: Would C++ in BDS be a year or more away as Delphi 2005 has just been released or would they release a new BDS for C++ inclusion. If it happens, then it would be in the next major release of BDS. Gambit Back to top Andre Kaufmann Guest Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:27 am    Post subject: Re: .NET in future BCB release "Remy Lebeau (TeamB)" <no.spam (AT) no (DOT) spam.com> wrote Quote: "Andre Kaufmann" <##andre_no_spam_.kaufmann_ (AT) _x_t-online (DOT) de##> wrote in message news:419f12d1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Just wondering why there is no official announcement in this group or on the Borland website: E.g.: Yes there will be a new version of BCB, details following at Dec. 15 th ? I never said a new BCB version was definate. I said it had been looked into, and that it was likely to happen since the developers want to do it. But the executables have not made up their minds yet one way or another. What´s so special about Dec. 15th ? The executives publically promised the users at the "Meet the C++ Team" session at BorCon that an answer regarding BCB's future would be given by December 15th. Thank you Remy. Yes - i know that already - and AFAIK they promised an answer till Dec. 15th. So the answer could be given before Dec. 15th - or am i wrong ? I just wondered why they did chose Dec. 15th and why such a decission (yes or no) takes so much time and hasn´t been given already at BorCon. But anyways, only a few days till Dec. 15th and we will have (hopefully) a definitive answer. 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