BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  .NET          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Holger Flick Guest Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 3:46 pm    Post subject: .NET Hi people, because there is no real technical relation, I post it here... I read on one of the JEDI newsgroup a message about .NET v2 not fully "supporting" the "Windows.Forms-idea". There was not much more in that message. As I am just starting using .NET and already have .NET v.2 beta on one of my desktop PCs, I cannot see how Windows.Forms should be changed. I also frequently read articles on MS blogs and MSDN. I haven't seen anything on that topic either. Can anybody point me to a report about the "future" of Windows.Forms in ..NET and what's not sure about it? Thanx! -- Holger Back to top Craig Stuntz [TeamB] Guest Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:09 pm    Post subject: Re: .NET Holger Flick wrote: Quote: I read on one of the JEDI newsgroup a message about .NET v2 not fully "supporting" the "Windows.Forms-idea". There was not much more in that message. Without Windows Forms, C# would have no means of creating a GUI app in ..NET 2. Avalon won't be available until Longhorn is released, which is well after .NET 2. Hence, Windows Forms is here to stay for at least the next few years. -Craig -- Craig Stuntz [TeamB] · Vertex Systems Corp. · Columbus, OH Delphi/InterBase Weblog : http://blogs.teamb.com/craigstuntz Want to help make Delphi and InterBase better? Use QC! http://qc.borland.com -- Vote for important issues Back to top Holger Flick Guest Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:45 pm    Post subject: Re: .NET Thank you, Craig. But what else is there? I looked up Avalon and just found a .NET implementation Apache-implementation. What will replace Windows Forms then? -- Holger Craig Stuntz [TeamB] wrote: Quote: Holger Flick wrote: I read on one of the JEDI newsgroup a message about .NET v2 not fully "supporting" the "Windows.Forms-idea". There was not much more in that message. Without Windows Forms, C# would have no means of creating a GUI app in .NET 2. Avalon won't be available until Longhorn is released, which is well after .NET 2. Hence, Windows Forms is here to stay for at least the next few years. -Craig Back to top Alisdair Meredith Guest Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 7:37 am    Post subject: Re: .NET Holger Flick wrote: Quote: Thank you, Craig. But what else is there? I looked up Avalon and just found a .NET implementation Apache-implementation. What will replace Windows Forms then? Avalon in the MS codename for the GUI/presentation layer and Shell for Longhorn, the next version of Windows and first to be based on .NET technology. This will be build around a new XML dialect, XAML, and will be the preferred way of writing GUIs (not just forms) on that operating system. WinForms, and Win32 for that matter, should still work, but XAML will be the blessed, optimised way of working and where all new features will show up. As Craig says though, Longhorn is not due for a couple more years yet, even without deadline slippage. AlisdairM(TeamB) Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 8:52 pm    Post subject: Re: .NET At 17:46:41, 23.07.2004, Holger Flick wrote: Quote: Hi people, because there is no real technical relation, I post it here... I read on one of the JEDI newsgroup a message about .NET v2 not fully "supporting" the "Windows.Forms-idea". There was not much more in that message. I guess they meant that when you install the 2.0 beta, your WinForms designer might not work anymore in C#Builder (and probably in SharpDevelop or even VS), and Delphi 8. So to test 2.0, you're well advised to use a different computer, or a virtual one (like VMWare). -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] "Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?" -- Groucho Marx Back to top Holger Flick Guest Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 10:21 pm    Post subject: Re: .NET No, Rudy, it works fine. I have J# and C# Express 2005 beta from MS running perfectly next to D8. -- Holger Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote: Quote: At 17:46:41, 23.07.2004, Holger Flick wrote: Hi people, because there is no real technical relation, I post it here... I read on one of the JEDI newsgroup a message about .NET v2 not fully "supporting" the "Windows.Forms-idea". There was not much more in that message. I guess they meant that when you install the 2.0 beta, your WinForms designer might not work anymore in C#Builder (and probably in SharpDevelop or even VS), and Delphi 8. So to test 2.0, you're well advised to use a different computer, or a virtual one (like VMWare). Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 10:55 pm    Post subject: Re: .NET Holger Flick wrote: Quote: No, Rudy, it works fine. I have J# and C# Express 2005 beta from MS running perfectly next to D8. Using the .NET 2.0 beta? I was not talking about the products you mentioned. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Back to top JED Guest Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 11:24 pm    Post subject: Re: .NET Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote: Quote: Using the .NET 2.0 beta? I was not talking about the products you mentioned. Those products he mentioned use the beta 2.0 framework. -- JED, QC - Win32 Client for Quality Central: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~jed/QC/ Alpha 2.6.1 Now Available (2 July 2004) Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 11:32 pm    Post subject: Re: .NET JED wrote: Quote: Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote: Using the .NET 2.0 beta? I was not talking about the products you mentioned. Those products he mentioned use the beta 2.0 framework. They do? I couldn't find anything about that on the MS website. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Back to top JED Guest Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 11:40 pm    Post subject: Re: .NET Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote: Quote: They do? I couldn't find anything about that on the MS website. well you better get in touch with MS's website team then. Apart from just saying they do (and I have installed C# express), July 9th post here... http://blogs.msdn.com/danielfe -- JED, QC - Win32 Client for Quality Central: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~jed/QC/ Alpha 2.6.1 Now Available (2 July 2004) Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:09 pm    Post subject: Re: .NET At 01:40:05, 26.07.2004, JED wrote: Quote: Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote: They do? I couldn't find anything about that on the MS website. well you better get in touch with MS's website team then. Apart from just saying they do (and I have installed C# express), July 9th post here... http://blogs.msdn.com/danielfe I looked for the required stuff, and indeed, it needs 2.0. Good to hear it works fine along 1.2 and C#Builder. I've heard of problems with the WinForms designer after the installation of 2.0. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] "Death is one of the few things that can be done as easily lying down. The difference between sex and death is that with death you can do it alone and no one is going to make fun of you." -- Woody Allen. Back to top Holger Flick Guest Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 2:50 pm    Post subject: Re: .NET Yes, Rudy. They use that version. Funny thing: If I run the same C# app in Borland C# and MS C# 2005, the two compilers use different frameworks :-) Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote: Quote: Holger Flick wrote: No, Rudy, it works fine. I have J# and C# Express 2005 beta from MS running perfectly next to D8. Using the .NET 2.0 beta? I was not talking about the products you mentioned. Back to top Holger Flick Guest Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 2:52 pm    Post subject: Re: .NET Hi Rudy, it would be very embarassing for MS if the change to 2.0 would cause any problems. Richter keeps on talking for ages about assemblies and versioning in his book and how good a job MS did with it... I also think that the assembly versioning approach is a good endeavour... Quote: I looked for the required stuff, and indeed, it needs 2.0. Good to hear it works fine along 1.2 and C#Builder. I've heard of problems with the WinForms designer after the installation of 2.0. Back to top Craig Stuntz [TeamB] Guest Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 4:07 pm    Post subject: Re: .NET Holger Flick wrote: Quote: it would be very embarassing for MS if the change to 2.0 would cause any problems. 2.0 includes features which give more flexibility to assembly versioning. http://wesnerm.blogs.com/net_undocumented/2004/06/platform_vs_lib.html -Craig -- Craig Stuntz [TeamB] · Vertex Systems Corp. · Columbus, OH Delphi/InterBase Weblog : http://blogs.teamb.com/craigstuntz Want to help make Delphi and InterBase better? Use QC! http://qc.borland.com -- Vote for important issues Back to top DS Guest Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 8:06 pm    Post subject: Re: .NET Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote: Quote: Good to hear it works fine along 1.2 and C#Builder. I've heard of problems with the WinForms designer after the installation of 2.0. AFAIK, .NET's (much famed) "side-by-side" execution should take care of that. Personally, I use tons of 3rd party stuff, all made for v1.1, and it runs (with one designer-related exception) under VS.NET 2005 beta just fine. 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