BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Newsgroup message retention on Borland servers          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Newsgroup message retention on Borland servers David Cameron wrote: Quote: Hi All, I have just been looking at the number of posts, and oldest posts, in several newsgroups on the Borland server. There seems to be a wide variation in the number of posts retained, and the oldest post retained in various newsgroups according to my newsgroup reader (O.E). The time messages are kept on the various groups differs from group to group (some have a time of 3 months, some of 1 month, some of less). Some groups with low traffic will greatly exceed this limit, due to how the server software works. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] "Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious." -- Peter Ustinov (1921-2004) Back to top David Cameron Guest Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:04 pm    Post subject: Newsgroup message retention on Borland servers Hi All, I have just been looking at the number of posts, and oldest posts, in several newsgroups on the Borland server. There seems to be a wide variation in the number of posts retained, and the oldest post retained in various newsgroups according to my newsgroup reader (O.E). Some examples are: This group ( borland.public.cppbuilder.non-technical ) number of current messages: 450; oldest post: 9th October 2004 Some initial posts in certain threads ( i.e. "Non-Borland C++ Rad" - this group), seem to be lost already.Google says initial post in this thread was posted on 30th October 2004 (which seems to have been delated already, occording to my news reader). ( not many current messages, early expiration ) borland.public.cppbuilder.nativeapi number of current messages: 1883 oldest post: 13th April 2004 (excluding the last 2003 date - posters clock set incorrectly?) ( lots of current messages, late expiration) borland.public.cbuilderx.non-technical ( hardly any current posts , early expiration ) I could post lots of other examples, but maybe I am doing something wrong with O.E.'s synchronization / reset settings ?. Anybody seeing similar stats? TIA, Dave Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Newsgroup message retention on Borland servers David Cameron wrote: Quote: Thanks for the promt reply Rudy. "Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]" <velthuis (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:xn0dpg9ot1cdf4702wrudys-toshiba (AT) www (DOT) teamb.com... The time messages are kept on the various groups differs from group to group (some have a time of 3 months, some of 1 month, some of less). Regargless of trafific? Regardless of traffic, unless traffic is so low that some lower limits for the deletion of a bucket are not fulfilled. Quote: Some groups with low traffic will greatly exceed this limit, due to how the server software works. Do you mean by "limit" the date posts will be expired? Yes. In low traffic groups, messages may sometimes be deleted much later. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] "Learning is what most adults will do for a living in the 21st century." -- Perelman Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Newsgroup message retention on Borland servers Jeff Overcash (TeamB) wrote: Quote: Pretty much everything in the BCB groups are 30 days. Most of the JBuilder is either 60 or 90, Delphi 30, attachments 7. I thought that was changed, a while ago. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] "Yes, I'm fat, but you're ugly and I can go on a diet." -- bumper sticker Back to top David Cameron Guest Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Newsgroup message retention on Borland servers Thanks for the promt reply Rudy. Quote: "Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]" <velthuis (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: The time messages are kept on the various groups differs from group to group (some have a time of 3 months, some of 1 month, some of less). Regargless of trafific? Quote: Some groups with low traffic will greatly exceed this limit, due to how the server software works. Do you mean by "limit" the date posts will be expired? Some groups seem to have relatively high traffic but long retention (by date) compared to others. Or similar traffic but widely varying retention times. i.e. borland.public.cppbuilder.non-technical V borland.public.cppbuilder.nativeapi. Do you similar figures to the ones I posted originally? TIA, Dave Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Newsgroup message retention on Borland servers David Cameron wrote: Quote: Regardless of traffic ...would apply, but do you have any idea why messages in one newsgroup would be retained longer than messages in another group, regardless of traffic? Some few messages seem to resist being deleted. Don't know exactly why. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] "The secret of a good sermon is to have a good beginning and a good ending, then having the two as close together as possible." -- George Burns. Back to top David Cameron Guest Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 8:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Newsgroup message retention on Borland servers Quote: Do you similar figures to the ones I posted originally? Sorry, should be "Do see you similar figures to the ones I posted originally?" TIA, Dave Back to top Jeff Overcash (TeamB) Guest Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 8:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Newsgroup message retention on Borland servers David Cameron wrote: Quote: Thanks for the promt reply Rudy. "Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]" <velthuis (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:xn0dpg9ot1cdf4702wrudys-toshiba (AT) www (DOT) teamb.com... The time messages are kept on the various groups differs from group to group (some have a time of 3 months, some of 1 month, some of less). Regargless of trafific? Some groups with low traffic will greatly exceed this limit, due to how the server software works. Do you mean by "limit" the date posts will be expired? The DNews server expires things by bucket. To expire a bucket all items in that bucket must fit the criteria to expire. So on low volume group, even though they are set at 30 days there will be things over 30 days as the bucket they are in are not all over 30 days. Quote: Some groups seem to have relatively high traffic but long retention (by date) compared to others. Pretty much everything in the BCB groups are 30 days. Most of the JBuilder is either 60 or 90, Delphi 30, attachments 7. -- Jeff Overcash (TeamB) (Please do not email me directly unless asked. Thank You) A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. (RAH) Back to top David Cameron Guest Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 8:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Newsgroup message retention on Borland servers "Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]" <velthuis (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: David Cameron wrote: Thanks for the promt reply Rudy. "Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]" <velthuis (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:xn0dpg9ot1cdf4702wrudys-toshiba (AT) www (DOT) teamb.com... The time messages are kept on the various groups differs from group to group (some have a time of 3 months, some of 1 month, some of less). Regargless of trafific? Regardless of traffic, unless traffic is so low that some lower limits for the deletion of a bucket are not fulfilled. Some groups with low traffic will greatly exceed this limit, due to how the server software works. Do you mean by "limit" the date posts will be expired? Yes. In low traffic groups, messages may sometimes be deleted much later. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Cheers Rudy, But I am seeing (as per my example in original post) a lot more posts in borland.public.cppbuilder.nativeapi than in borland.public.cppbuilder.non-technical, yet borland.public.cppbuilder.nativeapi seems to retain posts for a lot longer? I noted your comments: Quote: The time messages are kept on the various groups differs from group to group (some have a time of 3 months, some of 1 month, some of less). Regargless of trafific? Regardless of traffic, unless traffic is so low that some lower limits for the deletion of a bucket are not fulfilled. As my example involves one newsgroup retaining messages for less time than another with *more* messages I don't the "lower limits case" applies. I think , Quote: The time messages are kept on the various groups differs from group to group (some have a time of 3 months, some of 1 month, some of less). Regargless of trafific? Regardless of traffic ....would apply, but do you have any idea why messages in one newsgroup would be retained longer than messages in another group, regardless of traffic? TIA, Dave Back to top David Cameron Guest Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 8:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Newsgroup message retention on Borland servers "Jeff Overcash (TeamB)" <jeffovercash (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote Quote: David Cameron wrote: Thanks for the promt reply Rudy. "Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]" <velthuis (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:xn0dpg9ot1cdf4702wrudys-toshiba (AT) www (DOT) teamb.com... The time messages are kept on the various groups differs from group to group (some have a time of 3 months, some of 1 month, some of less). Regargless of trafific? Some groups with low traffic will greatly exceed this limit, due to how the server software works. Do you mean by "limit" the date posts will be expired? The DNews server expires things by bucket. To expire a bucket all items in that bucket must fit the criteria to expire. So on low volume group, even though they are set at 30 days there will be things over 30 days as the bucket they are in are not all over 30 days. Some groups seem to have relatively high traffic but long retention (by date) compared to others. Pretty much everything in the BCB groups are 30 days. Most of the JBuilder is either 60 or 90, Delphi 30, attachments 7. Cheers Jeff, Maybe I got lucky/iunlucky when looking in borland.public.cppbuilder.nativeapi? To me it shows around 1800 posts with relatively long retention. Do you see the same? TIA, Dave Back to top David Cameron Guest Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 9:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Newsgroup message retention on Borland servers "Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]" <velthuis (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: David Cameron wrote: Regardless of traffic ...would apply, but do you have any idea why messages in one newsgroup would be retained longer than messages in another group, regardless of traffic? Some few messages seem to resist being deleted. Don't know exactly why. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] OK Rudy, thanks anyway, Dave Back to top Jeff Overcash (TeamB) Guest Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 11:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Newsgroup message retention on Borland servers David Cameron wrote: Quote: Cheers Jeff, Maybe I got lucky/iunlucky when looking in borland.public.cppbuilder.nativeapi? To me it shows around 1800 posts with relatively long retention. Do you see the same? Several months ago the whole server database was lost. We pumped in a bunch of articles from the mers archive back in to pre populate the server again. These have not been expiring normally. Quote: TIA, Dave -- Jeff Overcash (TeamB) (Please do not email me directly unless asked. Thank You) A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. 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