BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  no more patches for BCB? Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Andrue Cope Guest Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 11:28 am    Post subject: Re: no more patches for BCB? Pavel Vozenilek wrote: Quote: Does this imply this product is completely abandoned and no more patches will be released? That was the conclusion reached a couple of months ago. To be honest given the nature of the patches released for BCB6 it makes little or no difference. Quote: If so, as I suspect, I will try to continue with BCB 6 as long as possible and gradually switch to something else. CBX is of no use to me now and I fear it will take next few years to mature. I doubt that. I suspect a VCL capable version of CBX will be available within six months. There is a second open letter on that very subject due in a few weeks. Quoting from the letter: "We recognize the importance of your investment in VCL technologies and will provide further details on native VCL support in and migration to C++BuilderX in a follow-up Open Letter within these next few weeks." Quote: It is rather pity - I used Borland tools over decade, starting with TP5.5 and do not like current downward trend. Any downward trend is in the eye of the beholder I think. People see what they want to see and most people don't like change and think pessimistically. What the letter is saying is that CBX is the new product and it will eventually do everything BCB6 does and a heck of a lot more besides. How is that a downward trend? ISTM that most of the complaints levelled against Builder relate to its somewhat dodgy IDE. A lot of the issues appear to be the result of hacking the Delphi IDE to work with C++. The new IDE is a new product and hopefully will be more stable and better designed. -- Andrue Cope [Bicester, UK] Back to top Pavel Vozenilek Guest Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 12:05 pm    Post subject: no more patches for BCB? Reading Open Letter, I found no mention of BCB. Does this imply this product is completely abandoned and no more patches will be released? If so, as I suspect, I will try to continue with BCB 6 as long as possible and gradually switch to something else. CBX is of no use to me now and I fear it will take next few years to mature. It is rather pity - I used Borland tools over decade, starting with TP5.5 and do not like current downward trend. /Pavel Back to top Andrew Rybenkov Guest Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 1:53 pm    Post subject: Re: no more patches for BCB? Quote: I suspect a VCL capable version of CBX will be available within six months. Sorry, pal, next 6 months are for Delphi ;) -- Andrew Rybenkov. Back to top Russell Hind Guest Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 2:10 pm    Post subject: Re: no more patches for BCB? Andrew Rybenkov wrote: Quote: Sorry, pal, next 6 months are for Delphi ;) That would definitely have been true before, because it was the same group in Borland working on both BCB and Delphi (the RAD group). Now, the C++ group has completely separated and are left to concentrate 100% of their time on C++Builder X so they will still be working on C++Builder X, not sidetracked by some little project (like the next release of Delphi etc) :) Russell Back to top Andrew Rybenkov Guest Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 3:25 pm    Post subject: Re: no more patches for BCB? Quote: Now, the C++ group has completely separated Hmm, when did it happen? 'Seems I totally missed the news. Quote: Now, the C++ group has completely separated and are left to concentrate 100% of their time on C++Builder X so they will still be working on C++Builder X, not sidetracked by some little project (like the next release of Delphi etc) Or BCB :) -- Andrew Rybenkov. Back to top Ed Mulroy [TeamB] Guest Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 3:41 pm    Post subject: Re: no more patches for BCB? The open letter is and was supposed to be about C++BuilderX. Quote: Does this imply this product is completely abandoned and no more patches will be released? No it does not. .. Ed Quote: Pavel Vozenilek wrote in message news:3fa0ff1b (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Reading Open Letter, I found no mention of BCB. Does this imply this product is completely abandoned and no more patches will be released? If so, as I suspect, I will try to continue with BCB 6 as long as possible and gradually switch to something else. CBX is of no use to me now and I fear it will take next few years to mature. It is rather pity - I used Borland tools over decade, starting with TP5.5 and do not like current downward trend. Back to top Dennis Jones Guest Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 6:09 pm    Post subject: Re: no more patches for BCB? "Ed Mulroy [TeamB]" <dont_email_me (AT) bitbuc (DOT) ket> wrote Quote: The open letter is and was supposed to be about C++BuilderX. Does this imply this product is completely abandoned and no more patches will be released? No it does not. That's probably a matter of opinion. However, Borland's *history* of product and patch releases does suggest exactly that. Anyone who has used Borland products for any length of time knows that they have never (that I can recall in my 20 years of using Borland tools) released a patch to an "old" product once a newer version has been released. And this even makes some business sense...they want to concentrate their efforts on the current product - not on "old" products. I cannot fault Borland on this point, but it bothers me that they cannot seem to get a product stable before releasing the next unstable (read: buggy) product/version (particularly in the last 10 years). Therefore, given their history, I do not think it is unreasonable to assume that there will be no more patches to BCB products. - Dennis Back to top David Erbas-White Guest Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 6:15 pm    Post subject: Re: no more patches for BCB? Dennis Jones wrote: Quote: That's probably a matter of opinion. However, Borland's *history* of product and patch releases does suggest exactly that. Anyone who has used Borland products for any length of time knows that they have never (that I can recall in my 20 years of using Borland tools) released a patch to an "old" product once a newer version has been released. And this even makes some business sense...they want to concentrate their efforts on the current product - not on "old" products. I cannot fault Borland on this point, but it bothers me that they cannot seem to get a product stable before releasing the next unstable (read: buggy) product/version (particularly in the last 10 years). Therefore, given their history, I do not think it is unreasonable to assume that there will be no more patches to BCB products. - Dennis Not that I disagree with your overall sentiments, but I believe that a Delphi 6 patch was released after Delphi 7 came out. I can't think of any other examples, however. David Erbas-White Back to top Dennis Jones Guest Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 6:24 pm    Post subject: Re: no more patches for BCB? "David Erbas-White" <derbas (AT) arachneering (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Dennis Jones wrote: Not that I disagree with your overall sentiments, but I believe that a Delphi 6 patch was released after Delphi 7 came out. I can't think of any other examples, however. Then I stand corrected. I guess I should have stated that I could not speak for the Delphi product line -- I haven't used Delphi since 2.0. - Dennis Back to top Tamas Demjen Guest Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 6:44 pm    Post subject: Re: no more patches for BCB? Quote: given the nature of the patches released for BCB6 it makes little or no difference. But it would make a lot of difference if they were fixing a few of the major crashes. I can't even count how many times I have to kill the BCB6 task a day during routine develoment. Even closing the project or exiting the IDE often triggers a forever loop of Access Violation dialogs. I even suspect under which condition it happens -- usually when a file is open in the editor that does not belong to the project. It can happen when you trace into an STL header file with the debugger. Also a problem is that the debugger often doesn't stop of the breakpoints until I restart BCB6 and recompile. Tom Back to top Ed Mulroy [TeamB] Guest Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 6:53 pm    Post subject: Re: no more patches for BCB? That is off-topic and annoying. The man asked if the letter implied something and I replied that it did not. You then reply with a long saga detailing your assumptions and distrust. My reply to him is unrelated to your subsequent reply to me. Your assumptions and trust problems are not the subject at hand. .. Ed Quote: Dennis Jones wrote in message news:3fa153de$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Back to top Ed Mulroy [TeamB] Guest Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 6:55 pm    Post subject: Re: no more patches for BCB? I think they also did that with BC++ after BCB appeared and with a version of BCB but I do not remember the details. .. Ed Quote: David Erbas-White wrote in message news:3fa1553a$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Not that I disagree with your overall sentiments, but I believe that a Delphi 6 patch was released after Delphi 7 came out. I can't think of any other examples, however. Back to top Dennis Jones Guest Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 6:59 pm    Post subject: Re: no more patches for BCB? "Ed Mulroy [TeamB]" <dont_email_me (AT) bitbuc (DOT) ket> wrote Quote: I think they also did that with BC++ after BCB appeared and with a version of BCB but I do not remember the details. It was BC++5.02, and was only intended to address compatilibility isses between BCB 1.0 and BC++5.0x at the time. As far as I am aware, there were not actual bug fixes. - Dennis Back to top Dennis Jones Guest Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 7:10 pm    Post subject: Re: no more patches for BCB? "Ed Mulroy [TeamB]" <dont_email_me (AT) bitbuc (DOT) ket> wrote Quote: That is off-topic and annoying. My reply to him is unrelated to your subsequent reply to me. My reply specifically addressed the issue of whether or not additional patches to BCB are likely be released, and that is most definitely on-topic. Perhaps I should have replied to him instead. I don't quite understand your obvious displeasure of my post. I merely stated an *opinion* on the topic as prefaced by the first line of my post. I clearly had no control over how you would interpret it, but I apologize if you were annoyed -- I can assure you, it was not my intent. - Dennis Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 7:26 pm    Post subject: Re: no more patches for BCB? "Andrew Rybenkov" <arybenkov (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Hmm, when did it happen? Quite a while ago. They separated before CBX was begun. Basically, the Delphi guys left the C++ guys to fend for themselves, so to speak. 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