BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Old Delphi for Old User Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Ace Guest Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 1:56 am    Post subject: Old Delphi for Old User What do people here do with their old Delphi software when they get a "New User" license for a new Delphi product? Where do people sell their old software? Some version of Delphi cost 2 times as much as the price I got for my 1992 Camry last month. Which means I can't afford it, and I'm looking for a beat up old Delphi license that will come for about the sale price of my Camry or less. After writing that paragraph I went to ebay and did some shopping. People are still trying to sell copies of Delphi v2!!! and v3!! and v4! I already have v5, and I'm not sure it cost me much more than some people are asking for used copies of v3! Maybe they honsetly expect the item to be treated as an "antique" and therefore worth more than the original list prices. Whatever happened to the good old days when Turbo Pascal was on sale for $49? Or was it $29? And now the son of Turbo Pascal costs 100 times that price. /rant Back to top David Cornelius Guest Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 3:19 am    Post subject: Re: Old Delphi for Old User Quote: What do people here do with their old Delphi software when they get a "New User" license for a new Delphi product? I usually "upgrade" instead of getting a new license every time because it's SOOO much cheaper. And when you upgrade, you cannot legally sell the version you upgraded from. Quote: Whatever happened to the good old days when Turbo Pascal was on sale for $49? Or was it $29? And now the son of Turbo Pascal costs 100 times that price. /rant The first versions of TP were simple, for DOS only, compiled to .COM apps only, and not really geared for the enterprise market. Delphi has many tools and libraries bundled in, an incredibly more complex OS to work with, and is marketed a lot more towards large businesses who don't even look at simple "hobbiest" tools. I guess you could look at it like wages: my grandfather was probably happy to make $5 a week at one point, but now we consider 100 times that to be low wages (for a programmer in the U.S.). -- David Cornelius http://CorneliusConcepts.com Back to top Edwin Lau Guest Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 3:19 am    Post subject: Re: Old Delphi for Old User Well, officially speaking if you cannot sell an 'upgrade' because it is not legally a full product. If you want to do so, you will need to sell your entire collection at one go and forgo your license or if the subsequent versions were purchased at full price. Technically speaking, I would keep about 1 or 2 prior versions of Delphi with me because there are projects which I worked with which are compiled in those versions and sometimes the transition to a new version of Delphi may not be all that possible or too time consuming to handle as I do heavily rely on 3rd party components of which some has already folded and are no where to be found. Some source codes takes too long to convert of one or two basic functionability. In my case, my work for the year would be greatly covered the cost I invest in the new Delphi many times over and I just write off the prior versions as a business expense so to speak. Edwin "Ace" <askaquestion (AT) rogers (DOT) com> wrote Quote: What do people here do with their old Delphi software when they get a "New User" license for a new Delphi product? Where do people sell their old software? Some version of Delphi cost 2 times as much as the price I got for my 1992 Camry last month. Which means I can't afford it, and I'm looking for a beat up old Delphi license that will come for about the sale price of my Camry or less. After writing that paragraph I went to ebay and did some shopping. People are still trying to sell copies of Delphi v2!!! and v3!! and v4! I already have v5, and I'm not sure it cost me much more than some people are asking for used copies of v3! Maybe they honsetly expect the item to be treated as an "antique" and therefore worth more than the original list prices. Whatever happened to the good old days when Turbo Pascal was on sale for $49? Or was it $29? And now the son of Turbo Pascal costs 100 times that price. /rant Back to top JED Guest Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 7:50 am    Post subject: Re: Old Delphi for Old User Ace wrote: Quote: Whatever happened to the good old days when Turbo Pascal was on sale for $49? Or was it $29? And now the son of Turbo Pascal costs 100 times that price. /rant LOL - I guess you still work for the same wage you got back then as well. -- QC Client: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~jed/QC/ Blog: http://jedqc.blogspot.com/ Configure Delphi 2005 the way you want it to be: www.alphalink.com.au/~jed/dcm.htm Checkout my code central submissions for D2005 http://cc.borland.com/ccweb.exe/author?authorid=205627 Back to top Liz Guest Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 9:08 am    Post subject: Re: Old Delphi for Old User Ace wrote: Quote: Whatever happened to the good old days when Turbo Pascal was on sale for $49? Or was it $29? And now the son of Turbo Pascal costs 100 times that price. /rant Turbo Pascal 7 is actually now available FREE! :) Borland had it as a free download on their site.. I paid err 45 pounds for my turbo pascal 5 I think and I had to drive (when I was still a learner so had to have someone with me) to somewhere Id never been to go get it. It was a big event! Back to top Liz Guest Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 9:11 am    Post subject: Re: Old Delphi for Old User Ace wrote: Quote: Whatever happened to the good old days when Turbo Pascal was on sale for $49? Or was it $29? And now the son of Turbo Pascal costs 100 times that price. /rant Oh it also depends what you need to do with delphi, however, if you only use it for home use you can actually get hold of some versions free, soem of the personal editions were downloadable and you could apply for free for a key. So, depends what you need. Back to top Mark Vaughan Guest Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 4:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Old Delphi for Old User "JED" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote in news:xn0dro9qz85d3x000 @newsgroups.borland.com: Quote: Ace wrote: Whatever happened to the good old days when Turbo Pascal was on sale for $49? Or was it $29? And now the son of Turbo Pascal costs 100 times that price. /rant LOL - I guess you still work for the same wage you got back then as well. dunno about you, but my income hasn't increased at anywhere near the rate of the price of borland's pascal compilers. I paid in the neighborhood of $50 for my first copy of TP3. but to buy a new user licence today would cost somewhere between $1000 (delphi 2005 pro) and $3000 (delphi architect). so between 1986 and 2004, the price of borlands top shelf pascal product has increased by a factor of ~60. assuming you've been working that long (and a 1986 start date probably excludes 99.9% of the folks under 30), has your annual income also increased by a factor of 60? -- Mark Vaughan ____________ Visit the Numerical Methods in Pascal web page at http://www-rab.larc.nasa.gov/nmp/fNMPhome.htm Back to top Mark Vaughan Guest Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 4:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Old Delphi for Old User "Liz" <liz_wants_no_spam (AT) xcalibur (DOT) nospam.co.uk> wrote in news:41d51724 $1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com: Quote: Ace wrote: Whatever happened to the good old days when Turbo Pascal was on sale for $49? Or was it $29? And now the son of Turbo Pascal costs 100 times that price. /rant Turbo Pascal 7 is actually now available FREE! ^^ Borland had it as a free download on their site.. ^^^ verb tense is important here...IIRC, the french version was available for a short while at http://www.inprise.fr/download/compilateurs/... but that page no longer exists, and it appears that the download is no longer being offered...c'est la vie, eh? :^) -- Mark Vaughan ____________ Visit the Numerical Methods in Pascal web page at http://www-rab.larc.nasa.gov/nmp/fNMPhome.htm Back to top Liz Guest Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 5:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Old Delphi for Old User Mark Vaughan wrote: Quote: Borland had it as a free download on their site.. ^^^ No but they still have a lot http://bdn.borland.com/museum/ Back to top Liz Guest Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 5:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Old Delphi for Old User Mark Vaughan wrote: Quote: dunno about you, but my income hasn't increased at anywhere near the rate of the price of borland's pascal compilers. I paid in the neighborhood of $50 for my first copy of TP3. but to buy a new user licence today would cost somewhere between $1000 (delphi 2005 pro) and $3000 (delphi architect). so between 1986 and 2004, the price of borlands top shelf pascal product has increased by a factor of ~60. assuming you've been working that long (and a 1986 start date probably excludes 99.9% of the folks under 30), has your annual income also increased by a factor of 60? Id go with that, I worked for a company for 7.5 years and didnt have a payrise for 6 years of that despite them issuing company wide statements such as they had done reviews and found they were generally under paying people by as much as 30%. Problem was for me no one else in the company did a similar job, so they could cheat me out of all sorts really Back to top Nick Hodges [TeamB] Guest Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 5:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Old Delphi for Old User Ace wrote: Quote: And now the son of Turbo Pascal costs 100 times that price. And does 1000 times more. -- Nick Hodges -- TeamB Lemanix Corporation -- http://www.lemanix.com Read my Blog -- http://www.lemanix.com/nick Back to top Wayne Niddery [TeamB] Guest Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 5:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Old Delphi for Old User Ace wrote: Quote: Whatever happened to the good old days when Turbo Pascal was on sale for $49? Or was it $29? And now the son of Turbo Pascal costs 100 times that price. /rant What happened to the good old days when you could buy a brand new Model T Ford for $580? -- Wayne Niddery - Logic Fundamentals, Inc. (www.logicfundamentals.com) RADBooks: http://www.logicfundamentals.com/RADBooks.html "The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God and there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence." - John Adams Back to top Wayne Niddery [TeamB] Guest Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 5:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Old Delphi for Old User Mark Vaughan wrote: Quote: I paid in the neighborhood of $50 for my first copy of TP3. but to buy a new user licence today would cost somewhere between $1000 (delphi 2005 pro) and $3000 (delphi architect). so between 1986 and 2004, the price of borlands top shelf pascal product has increased by a factor of ~60. If D2005 only did what TP3 was capable of, it would most definitely be overpriced, but that is hardly the case. -- Wayne Niddery - Logic Fundamentals, Inc. (www.logicfundamentals.com) RADBooks: http://www.logicfundamentals.com/RADBooks.html “It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.” - Thomas Jefferson Back to top John Herbster Guest Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 5:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Old Delphi for Old User "Liz" <liz_wants_no_spam (AT) xcalibur (DOT) nospam.co.uk> wrote Quote: ... under paying people by as much as 30%. Problem was for me no one else in the company did a similar job, so they could cheat me out of all sorts really. Here in Texas, we have so-called right-to-work laws that prevent an employer and employee from being required to maintain the relationship if either party does not want it to continue. --JohnH Back to top John Herbster Guest Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 5:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Old Delphi for Old User "Wayne Niddery [TeamB]" <wniddery (AT) chaffaci (DOT) on.ca> wrote Quote: If D2005 only did what TP3 was capable of, it would most definitely be overpriced, but that is hardly the case. I never learned how to use half of what D7 or D2005 allowed me to do; but I used practically all of what TP3 provided. --JohnH Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical All times are GMT Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next Page 1 of 3   Jump to: Select a forum C++ Builder Newsgroups----------------C++ BuilderC++ Builder (ActiveX)C++ Builder (Announcements)C++ Builder (Command Line Tools)C++ Builder DatabasesC++ Builder Databases (ADO)C++ Builder Databases (Desktop)C++ Builder Databases (InterBase Express)C++ Builder Databases (Multi-Tier)C++ Builder Databases (SQL Servers)C++ Builder (Graphics)C++ Builder (IDE)C++ Builder (Internet)C++ Builder (Internet Socket)C++ Builder (Internet Web)C++ Builder (Jobs)C++ Builder (Language)C++ Builder (Language C++)C++ Builder (Compatibility with MFC)C++ Builder (Native API)C++ Builder (Non-Technical)C++ Builder (Students)C++ Builder (Third Party Tools)C++ Builder (Upgrade)C++ Builder (VCL)C++ Builder (VCL Components Usage)C++ Builder (VCL Components Development)C++ Builder (VCL Usage)C++ Builder (WinAPI)C++ Builder Installation Delphi Newsgroups----------------Delphi (General)Delphi ActiveX Controls UsageDelphi ActiveX Controls DevelopmentDelphi As400Delphi DatabasesDelphi Databases (ADO)Delphi Databases (dbExpress)Delphi Databases (Desktop)Delphi Databases (InterBase Express)Delphi Databases (Multi-Tier)Delphi Databases (SQL Servers)Delphi DeploymentDelphi GraphicsDelphi IDEDelphi InternationalizationDelphi InternetDelphi Internet Isapi-WebBrokerDelphi Internet WebSnapDelphi Internet WinsockDelphi JobsDelphi Language BASMDelphi Language ObjectPascalDelphi Model Driven Architecture (General)Delphi Model Driven Architecture (Third Party)Delphi MultimediaDelphi Native APIDelphi Non-TechnicalDelphi ObjectPascalDelphi OLE AutomationDelphi OO designDelphi OpenToolsAPIDelphi Reporting-ChartingDelphi RTLDelphi StudentsDelphi TeamSourceDelphi Thirdparty ToolsDelphi Thirdparty Tools (General)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (IntraWeb)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (RaveReports)Delphi UpgradeDelphi VCLDelphi VCL ComponentsDelphi VCL Components UsingDelphi VCL Components WritingDelphi WebServices SOAPDelphi WinAPIDelphi XMLDelphi Installationcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.misccomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.usagecomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.writingcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.databasescomp.lang.pascal.delphi.misccomp.sources.delphi JBuilder Newsgroups----------------JBuilderJBuilder AnnouncementsJBuilder Applet IssuesJBuilder As400JBuilder CompilerJBuilder CORBA/RMIJBuilder DatabasesJBuilder DB SwingJBuilder DebuggerJBuilder DeploymentJBuilder DocumentationJBuilder EnterpriseJBuilder HandheldJBuilder IDEJBuilder JavaJBuilder JavaAPIJBuilder Java LanguageJBuilder Java SwingJBuilder Java BeansJBuilder Java Beans UsageJBuilder Java Beans DevelopmentJBuilder JBCLJBuilder JDataStoreJBuilder JobsJBuilder LinuxJBuilder MacintoshJBuilder & MobileSetJBuilder MultiLingual AppsJBuilder Non-TechnicalJBuilder OpenToolsJBuilder Servlets (JSP)JBuilder StudentsJBuilder Team DevelopmentJBuilder Thirdparty ToolsJBuilder UpgradeJBuilder Installation InterBase Newsgroups----------------InterBaseInterBase Bug DiscussionInterBase GeneralInterBase IBConsoleInterBase OpenSourceInterBase ReplicationInterBase SQLInterBase ThirdpartyInterBase Installation Miscellaneous Borland Newsgroups----------------AppCenterAppServerEnteraVisiBroker  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.