BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  On the fate of Object Pascal... Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Mauro Venturini Guest Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 8:21 am    Post subject: On the fate of Object Pascal... I will try to be as short and unbiased as possible. 1. One of the (main) reason Delphi W32 diffusion was far less than VB6 diffusion, notwithstanding the fact that it is so better, was that it was perceived as a single source proprietary language backed by only a small (compared to MS) company. 2. Today I can take a VS C# project, move it to Delphi 2005, and recompile without a problem. I think that almost the same is true for VB.NET 3. If Borland were not so single-minded with W32 compatibility and RO not so single-minded with adding syntactic niceties the same would apply to .NET project (forget about W32) written using their two Object Pascal dialects (call them whatever you like). 4. As things are developing we will end up with two similar but mutually incompatible dialects, one supported by a small (compared to MS) company and one supported by a smaller company. From 1. and 2. this means *irrelevance for both*. Is really that the best interest of the two companies? This message was posted to both Borland and RO non-technical newsgroups. Back to top Arthur Hoornweg Guest Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:59 am    Post subject: Re: On the fate of Object Pascal... Mauro Venturini schreef: Quote: 4. As things are developing we will end up with two similar but mutually incompatible dialects, one supported by a small (compared to MS) company and one supported by a smaller company. From 1. and 2. this means *irrelevance for both*. Both Object Pascal systems have their merits. If you develop for Win32 (the majority of us), there's really only one choice. If you have to use Visual Studio because your company does so, you only have one choice also. The odds are still open for Win64... -- Arthur Hoornweg (In order to reply per e-mail, please just remove the ".net" from my e-mail address. Leave the rest of the address intact including the "antispam" part. I had to take this measure to counteract unsollicited mail.) Back to top Eric Grange Guest Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:08 pm    Post subject: Re: On the fate of Object Pascal... Quote: There are degrees of compatibility. [...] Most of the hurdles I see are because of the backward code compatibility which sacrifices platform compatibility. Indeed, and these alien users on both sides to some extent, "power users" (of both sides) being affected the most, because they know exactly what they lose and/or will have trouble achieving. Eric Back to top Eric Grange Guest Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:38 pm    Post subject: Re: On the fate of Object Pascal... Quote: You lost me with your talk about "these alien users." Space aliens? Hmmm... missing "ate", proper term is "alienate". But not "ate" as in "alien ate my users" though. Eric Back to top Rick Carter Guest Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:25 pm    Post subject: Re: On the fate of Object Pascal... Eric Grange wrote: Quote: Indeed, and these alien users on both sides to some extent, "power users" (of both sides) being affected the most, because they know exactly what they lose and/or will have trouble achieving. You lost me with your talk about "these alien users." Space aliens? Rick Carter [email]carterrk (AT) despammed (DOT) com[/email] Chair, Delphi/Paradox SIG, Cincinnati PC Users Group --- posted by geoForum on http://delphi.newswhat.com Back to top marc hoffman Guest Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 6:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Silly argument Quote: I've been developing with Delphi since its around. Both in companies I used to work for and in my own. Delphi has ALWAYS got me where I wanted on-time and in-budget! Predictions of end-of-life for Delphi/Pascal/Borland have always been in the background of our decisions to use or not. But common sence always wins - so we did. There is NOTHING else for me, and never will be - Long live Delphi! That was, indeed a silly argument ;) Back to top marc hoffman Guest Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 6:10 pm    Post subject: Re: On the fate of Object Pascal... Quote: Hmmm... missing "ate", proper term is "alienate". But not "ate" as in "alien ate my users" though. "IT'S A COOKBOOK!" <g> Back to top C4D - Kim Madsen Guest Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 6:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Silly argument This ng is turning out really weird. Its a Borland ng... and when some people express their joy about using Borland products, certain elements constantly tries to put them down. -- best regards Kim Madsen [email]kbm (AT) components4developers (DOT) com[/email] www.components4developers.com The best components for the best developers kbmMW - kbmMemTable - kbmWABD - kbmX10 Quote: That was, indeed a silly argument Back to top Alessandro Federici Guest Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 6:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Silly argument "C4D - Kim Madsen" <kbm (AT) components4developers (DOT) com (kbmMW/kbmMemTable/kbmWABD/kbmX10)> wrote Quote: Its a Borland ng... and when some people express their joy about using Borland products, certain elements constantly tries to put them down. Well, I think the guy should have kept his option a bit more open too: what if tomorrow Borland comes out with a product that is better than Delphi? The poor guy wouldn't use it because it's not Delphi? <G> -- Best regards, Alessandro Federici Back to top Captain Jake Guest Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 6:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Silly argument "C4D - Kim Madsen" <kbm (AT) components4developers (DOT) com (kbmMW/kbmMemTable/kbmWABD/kbmX10)> wrote Quote: This ng is turning out really weird. Its a Borland ng... and when some people express their joy about using Borland products, certain elements constantly tries to put them down. It's always the same certain elements too. Funny how that works. Back to top Brian Moelk Guest Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 6:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Silly argument Quote: This ng is turning out really weird. Its a Borland ng... and when some people express their joy about using Borland products, certain elements constantly tries to put them down. Well, the reason why I believe it was a silly argument is because it was arguing points that were not even mentioned. There is nothing wrong about expressing joy about using Borland products; but do not confuse a challenge to a particularly silly argument as a challenge to Borland's products or Borland itself. It is only when issues discussed openly and honestly, that I believe that Borland can succeed and improve. -- Brian Moelk [email]bmoelk (AT) NObrainendeavorSPAM (DOT) FORc[/email]omME http://www.brainendeavor.com Back to top Alessandro Federici Guest Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 6:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Silly argument "Brian Moelk" <bmoelk (AT) NObrainendeavorSPAM (DOT) FORcomME> wrote [..] Quote: Well, the reason why I believe it was a silly argument is because it was arguing points that were not even mentioned. Last famous words (of mine, 12 years ago or something): "I will never use anything else but Turbo Pascal". Then Delphi come, ooops <G> I am also happy I reconsidered my early position on wedding <G> -- Best regards, Alessandro Federici Back to top Dave Nottage [TeamB] Guest Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 6:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Silly argument Brian Moelk wrote: Quote: Well, the reason why I believe it was a silly argument is because it was arguing points that were not even mentioned. Pardon? <g> -- Dave Nottage [TeamB] Back to top Alessandro Federici Guest Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 7:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Silly argument "C4D - Kim Madsen" <kbm (AT) components4developers (DOT) com (kbmMW/kbmMemTable/kbmWABD/kbmX10)> wrote Quote: Its a Borland ng... and when some people express their joy about using Borland products, certain elements constantly tries to put them down. Well, I think the guy should have kept his option a bit more open too: what if tomorrow Borland comes out with a product that is better than Delphi? The poor guy wouldn't use it because it's not Delphi? <G> Come on Kim, don't add to the "twisting stuff out of context" game and stick to what you know Marc meant. -- Best regards, Alessandro Federici Back to top Brian Moelk Guest Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 7:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Silly argument Quote: Well, the reason why I believe it was a silly argument is because it was arguing points that were not even mentioned. Pardon? <g Not sure what to make of the Regardless, what I interpreted this thread to be about was the overall enterprise market for Pascal based tools. I didn't interpret "irrelevance" in this setting to be "end-of-life". For example, IMO, Cobol is "irrelevant", but it is still being used and has been updated with .NET support. Just to be clear, I do not believe that Delphi is "irrelevant", but one "fanatic" expression of love doesn't address the point of this thread. -- Brian Moelk [email]bmoelk (AT) NObrainendeavorSPAM (DOT) FORc[/email]omME http://www.brainendeavor.com Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical All times are GMT Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next Page 1 of 3   Jump to: Select a forum C++ Builder Newsgroups----------------C++ BuilderC++ Builder (ActiveX)C++ Builder (Announcements)C++ Builder (Command Line Tools)C++ Builder DatabasesC++ Builder Databases (ADO)C++ Builder Databases (Desktop)C++ Builder Databases (InterBase Express)C++ Builder Databases (Multi-Tier)C++ Builder Databases (SQL Servers)C++ Builder (Graphics)C++ Builder (IDE)C++ Builder (Internet)C++ Builder (Internet Socket)C++ Builder (Internet Web)C++ Builder (Jobs)C++ Builder (Language)C++ Builder (Language C++)C++ Builder (Compatibility with MFC)C++ Builder (Native API)C++ Builder (Non-Technical)C++ Builder (Students)C++ Builder (Third Party Tools)C++ Builder (Upgrade)C++ Builder (VCL)C++ Builder (VCL Components Usage)C++ Builder (VCL Components Development)C++ Builder (VCL Usage)C++ Builder (WinAPI)C++ Builder Installation Delphi Newsgroups----------------Delphi (General)Delphi ActiveX Controls UsageDelphi ActiveX Controls DevelopmentDelphi As400Delphi DatabasesDelphi Databases (ADO)Delphi Databases (dbExpress)Delphi Databases (Desktop)Delphi Databases (InterBase Express)Delphi Databases (Multi-Tier)Delphi Databases (SQL Servers)Delphi DeploymentDelphi GraphicsDelphi IDEDelphi InternationalizationDelphi InternetDelphi Internet Isapi-WebBrokerDelphi Internet WebSnapDelphi Internet WinsockDelphi JobsDelphi Language BASMDelphi Language ObjectPascalDelphi Model Driven Architecture (General)Delphi Model Driven Architecture (Third Party)Delphi MultimediaDelphi Native APIDelphi Non-TechnicalDelphi ObjectPascalDelphi OLE AutomationDelphi OO designDelphi OpenToolsAPIDelphi Reporting-ChartingDelphi RTLDelphi StudentsDelphi TeamSourceDelphi Thirdparty ToolsDelphi Thirdparty Tools (General)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (IntraWeb)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (RaveReports)Delphi UpgradeDelphi VCLDelphi VCL ComponentsDelphi VCL Components UsingDelphi VCL Components WritingDelphi WebServices SOAPDelphi WinAPIDelphi XMLDelphi Installationcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.misccomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.usagecomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.writingcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.databasescomp.lang.pascal.delphi.misccomp.sources.delphi JBuilder Newsgroups----------------JBuilderJBuilder AnnouncementsJBuilder Applet IssuesJBuilder As400JBuilder CompilerJBuilder CORBA/RMIJBuilder DatabasesJBuilder DB SwingJBuilder DebuggerJBuilder DeploymentJBuilder DocumentationJBuilder EnterpriseJBuilder HandheldJBuilder IDEJBuilder JavaJBuilder JavaAPIJBuilder Java LanguageJBuilder Java SwingJBuilder Java BeansJBuilder Java Beans UsageJBuilder Java Beans DevelopmentJBuilder JBCLJBuilder JDataStoreJBuilder JobsJBuilder LinuxJBuilder MacintoshJBuilder & MobileSetJBuilder MultiLingual AppsJBuilder Non-TechnicalJBuilder OpenToolsJBuilder Servlets (JSP)JBuilder StudentsJBuilder Team DevelopmentJBuilder Thirdparty ToolsJBuilder UpgradeJBuilder Installation InterBase Newsgroups----------------InterBaseInterBase Bug DiscussionInterBase GeneralInterBase IBConsoleInterBase OpenSourceInterBase ReplicationInterBase SQLInterBase ThirdpartyInterBase Installation Miscellaneous Borland Newsgroups----------------AppCenterAppServerEnteraVisiBroker  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.