BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  On the stability of Delphi 2005 and components Goto page 1, 2  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Loren Pechtel Guest Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 12:22 am    Post subject: On the stability of Delphi 2005 and components I've noticed a trend in the various reports on here. It seems a lot of the people reporting that it works fine aren't adding very many components to it, whereas a lot of the gripes seem to be by people having lots of components. This suggests to me that the IDE problems might very well stem from something in the component handler. Any thoughts on this? Back to top Dave Nottage [TeamB] Guest Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 1:02 am    Post subject: Re: On the stability of Delphi 2005 and components Loren Pechtel wrote: Quote: This suggests to me that the IDE problems might very well stem from something in the component handler. Any thoughts on this? Jake says he has "twenty gazillion" components installed, although I have told him a gazillion times never to exaggerate. -- Dave Nottage [TeamB] Back to top Lauchlan M Guest Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 1:14 am    Post subject: Re: On the stability of Delphi 2005 and components Quote: I've noticed a trend in the various reports on here. It seems a lot of the people reporting that it works fine aren't adding very many components to it, whereas a lot of the gripes seem to be by people having lots of components. I had no problems and not many components installed, so my experience is consistent with your theory. Quote: This suggests to me that the IDE problems might very well stem from something in the component handler. Any thoughts on this? Quite possible. Also, people who had it running in a VM seemed to have less problems than people who installed it in the main drive. Perhaps that could mean something about the memory management in conflict with other programs, how busy the registry is, or other factors resulting from not having many other programs or services installed at the same time. I'll install it on my main drive soon, then install some components on it. I think that that will test both theories, at least as far as my PC is concerned. Lauchlan M Back to top Allen Drennan Guest Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 1:17 am    Post subject: Re: On the stability of Delphi 2005 and components Loren Pechtel wrote: Quote: Any thoughts on this? I agree, it seems to be related to components with *source* in the library path. The more you have, the more problems you have. There also seems to be some serious issues with code folding. For instance, today BDS.EXE crashed on me at least 9 times in 7 hours. Most of the time right before the IDE crashed I noticed code folding become garbled. I have tried lots of things, the FastMM ide fix, added 1GB more of RAM, faster PC, etc. Nothing seems to help. Back to top DJSox Guest Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 1:29 am    Post subject: Re: On the stability of Delphi 2005 and components It's not clear to me, I get "good" performance and stability (I leave Delphi 2005 running continuously), but I have a lot of components installed: Teechart pro, TMS component pack, LMD Tools CE, Imageen,DEW Labs Studio, TMS Scripter, all with source, plus Delphi's normal installation. However, I only do Win32 programming, I don't use any configuration manager, and I haven't disabled Together. But, I'm using Delphi 2005 Pro, so maybe the more advanced SDK's are more fragile. Dan Sox Back to top Dave Nottage [TeamB] Guest Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 1:42 am    Post subject: Re: On the stability of Delphi 2005 and components DJSox wrote: Quote: But, I'm using Delphi 2005 Pro, so maybe the more advanced SDK's are more fragile. I expect you mean SKU's. Here's a list of "not in Pro" items I've compiled from the feature matrix at: http://www.borland.com/resources/en/pdf/products/delphi/del2005_feamatri x.pdf Intraweb (some of) Together ECO StarTeam (license) SCCAPI OptimizeIt dbExpress server connectivity BDP for ADO.NET BizSnap Janeva support dbWeb controls -- Dave Nottage [TeamB] Back to top Angra Mainyu Guest Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 1:59 am    Post subject: Re: On the stability of Delphi 2005 and components "Dave Nottage [TeamB]" wrote Quote: Here's a list of "not in Pro" items I've compiled from the feature matrix at: Intraweb (some of) Together ECO StarTeam (license) SCCAPI OptimizeIt dbExpress server connectivity BDP for ADO.NET BizSnap Janeva support dbWeb controls Wow - if they leave all this stuff outta the Professional Edition (I assume the term Pro means for professional programmers) what's left to leave out of a "Standard Edition", if there was one? ;-) Back to top Carl Guest Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 12:17 pm    Post subject: Re: On the stability of Delphi 2005 and components I have Delphi 2005 Pro S.P. 3 installed without any third parts components (only my library of VCL.NET components) and it's stable. I'm working on a medium VCL.NET project (converted from Delphi 5 Win32). I don't use database access (if this is remarkable), disabled Tohether. Quote: I've noticed a trend in the various reports on here. It seems a lot of the people reporting that it works fine aren't adding very many components to it, whereas a lot of the gripes seem to be by people having lots of components. This suggests to me that the IDE problems might very well stem from something in the component handler. Any thoughts on this? Back to top Dave Nottage [TeamB] Guest Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 12:27 pm    Post subject: Re: On the stability of Delphi 2005 and components Carl wrote: Quote: Delphi 2005 Pro.. disabled Tohether. What Together support is there in Pro? According to the feature matrix, there isn't any :-/ -- Dave Nottage [TeamB] Back to top Bill Mogk Guest Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 1:38 pm    Post subject: Re: On the stability of Delphi 2005 and components Lauchlan M wrote: {snip} Perhaps that could mean something Quote: about the memory management in conflict with other programs, how busy the registry is, or other factors resulting from not having many other programs or services installed at the same time. {Snip} I agree. My computer is an Athlon XP 1400 with only 512M, and I don't have too many problems, since Update 3 has been installed. I first noticed in another thread a while ago, that some users had Delphi plus a gazillion other programs running (browsers, email & such). I don't usually run anything other than Delphi and maybe a Mozilla or ThunderBird session. As far as Third-party components my big sets are the Raize and TMS Grids. But one thing I don't see mentioned, is the difference between OS's. I use Win200 Pro. I suspect that it uses a lot less resources itself, than XP (Just speculation, since I don't own it). So if I put XP on my old Athlon, than I would probably get a lot more problems. Bill Back to top Ingvar Anderberg Guest Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 5:47 pm    Post subject: Re: On the stability of Delphi 2005 and components "Dave Nottage [TeamB]" <davidn (AT) n0sp4m (DOT) please.radsoft.com.au> skrev i meddelandet news:42ecc3a4 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: What Together support is there in Pro? According to the feature matrix, there isn't any :-/ Seems there's two kind of Together 1. Together powered Unfied Modeling Language (UML ) designer for Borland Enterprise Core Objects (ECOT) II and 2.Together® Code Visualization-at any time, get a UML® model view of your source code this latter is in Pro // ia Back to top DJSox Guest Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:36 pm    Post subject: Re: On the stability of Delphi 2005 and components Dave, I suspect the Together support is quite rudimentary, there is a Together node on the options dialog and a Model View tab in project manager. I don't use Together so I can't say how functional it is. I think it's just an area that I could construct model diagrams manually. But it is there. Dan Back to top Loren Pechtel Guest Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 7:17 pm    Post subject: Re: On the stability of Delphi 2005 and components On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:14:15 +1000, "Lauchlan M" <LMackinnonAT_NoSpam_ozemailDOTcomDOTau> wrote: Quote: Also, people who had it running in a VM seemed to have less problems than people who installed it in the main drive. Perhaps that could mean something about the memory management in conflict with other programs, how busy the registry is, or other factors resulting from not having many other programs or services installed at the same time. My impression is the VM people were setting up sessions for specific projects--and thus they would have only the components installed they were using on that project. Back to top Bruce McGee Guest Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:29 pm    Post subject: Re: On the stability of Delphi 2005 and components Angra Mainyu wrote: Quote: Wow - if they leave all this stuff outta the Professional Edition (I assume the term Pro means for professional programmers) what's left to leave out of a "Standard Edition", if there was one? Or rather, they add a lot of stuff to the Enterprise/Architect SKUs. :) In my opinion, the StarTeam license (stackable) alone makes the higher SKUs worth the cost. -- Regards, Bruce McGee Glooscap Software Back to top Bruce McGee Guest Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:31 pm    Post subject: Re: On the stability of Delphi 2005 and components Loren Pechtel wrote: Quote: I've noticed a trend in the various reports on here. It seems a lot of the people reporting that it works fine aren't adding very many components to it, whereas a lot of the gripes seem to be by people having lots of components. This suggests to me that the IDE problems might very well stem from something in the component handler. Any thoughts on this? You might be on to something. Just As another data point, I have Architect with few additional components installed and I'm having very few problems. I'm also primarily working with Win32 applications. Another common theme seems to be people using the Delphi for .Net personality are seeing more problems. -- Regards, Bruce McGee Glooscap Software Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical All times are GMT Goto page 1, 2  Next Page 1 of 2   Jump to: Select a forum C++ Builder Newsgroups----------------C++ BuilderC++ Builder (ActiveX)C++ Builder (Announcements)C++ Builder (Command Line Tools)C++ Builder DatabasesC++ Builder Databases (ADO)C++ Builder Databases (Desktop)C++ Builder Databases (InterBase Express)C++ Builder Databases (Multi-Tier)C++ Builder Databases (SQL Servers)C++ Builder (Graphics)C++ Builder (IDE)C++ Builder (Internet)C++ Builder (Internet Socket)C++ Builder (Internet Web)C++ Builder (Jobs)C++ Builder (Language)C++ Builder (Language C++)C++ Builder (Compatibility with MFC)C++ Builder (Native API)C++ Builder (Non-Technical)C++ Builder (Students)C++ Builder (Third Party Tools)C++ Builder (Upgrade)C++ Builder (VCL)C++ Builder (VCL Components Usage)C++ Builder (VCL Components Development)C++ Builder (VCL Usage)C++ Builder (WinAPI)C++ Builder Installation Delphi Newsgroups----------------Delphi (General)Delphi ActiveX Controls UsageDelphi ActiveX Controls DevelopmentDelphi As400Delphi DatabasesDelphi Databases (ADO)Delphi Databases (dbExpress)Delphi Databases (Desktop)Delphi Databases (InterBase Express)Delphi Databases (Multi-Tier)Delphi Databases (SQL Servers)Delphi DeploymentDelphi GraphicsDelphi IDEDelphi InternationalizationDelphi InternetDelphi Internet Isapi-WebBrokerDelphi Internet WebSnapDelphi Internet WinsockDelphi JobsDelphi Language BASMDelphi Language ObjectPascalDelphi Model Driven Architecture (General)Delphi Model Driven Architecture (Third Party)Delphi MultimediaDelphi Native APIDelphi Non-TechnicalDelphi ObjectPascalDelphi OLE AutomationDelphi OO designDelphi OpenToolsAPIDelphi Reporting-ChartingDelphi RTLDelphi StudentsDelphi TeamSourceDelphi Thirdparty ToolsDelphi Thirdparty Tools (General)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (IntraWeb)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (RaveReports)Delphi UpgradeDelphi VCLDelphi VCL ComponentsDelphi VCL Components UsingDelphi VCL Components WritingDelphi WebServices SOAPDelphi WinAPIDelphi XMLDelphi Installationcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.misccomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.usagecomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.writingcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.databasescomp.lang.pascal.delphi.misccomp.sources.delphi JBuilder Newsgroups----------------JBuilderJBuilder AnnouncementsJBuilder Applet IssuesJBuilder As400JBuilder CompilerJBuilder CORBA/RMIJBuilder DatabasesJBuilder DB SwingJBuilder DebuggerJBuilder DeploymentJBuilder DocumentationJBuilder EnterpriseJBuilder HandheldJBuilder IDEJBuilder JavaJBuilder JavaAPIJBuilder Java LanguageJBuilder Java SwingJBuilder Java BeansJBuilder Java Beans UsageJBuilder Java Beans DevelopmentJBuilder JBCLJBuilder JDataStoreJBuilder JobsJBuilder LinuxJBuilder MacintoshJBuilder & MobileSetJBuilder MultiLingual AppsJBuilder Non-TechnicalJBuilder OpenToolsJBuilder Servlets (JSP)JBuilder StudentsJBuilder Team DevelopmentJBuilder Thirdparty ToolsJBuilder UpgradeJBuilder Installation InterBase Newsgroups----------------InterBaseInterBase Bug DiscussionInterBase GeneralInterBase IBConsoleInterBase OpenSourceInterBase ReplicationInterBase SQLInterBase ThirdpartyInterBase Installation Miscellaneous Borland Newsgroups----------------AppCenterAppServerEnteraVisiBroker  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.