BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  On Version Control again... Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Alan Garny Guest Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 10:22 am    Post subject: On Version Control again... There have been a couple of threads on version control solutions lately. I must confess that working on a one-person project, I thought that using a version control system would be more of a pain in the neck than anything else. I have therefore been using the very simple manual solution for ages. Ie, I back up the whole structure of my project once in a while. Such a solution has helped me in a few occasions, but the biggest drawback is that its efficiency, obviously, relies on how often I back things up. Anyway, since it had been years since I had last used a version control system, I thought I would look around at what is available nowadays in the hope that I could find a solution that would less tedious to use than what I was used to. Being in academia, I (obviously?) wanted an open source solution... After reading several posts and assessing the situation as much as I could, I decided to go for TortoiseSVN. I downloaded it and started to read the doc. After an hour or so, I started to set things up for my project and another non-computing related project. Well, let me tell you this: once you know the basics of TortoiseSVN, it's dead easy to get a project of yours under version control! So far, I really like it and most importantly for me, I don't have lock/unlock files, etc. something that I was very much dreading (from past experience). No, all I need to do in the end is, after having exporting the whole project, is to work as I usually did and then, once in a while, commit the root of my project and TortoiseSVN takes care of everything. Very simple, really! All that blurb to say that I am grateful to the Borland community for having indirectly managed to convince me to have another look at version control solutions. It had crossed my mind several times, but I had wrongly assumed that nothing would have changed and that, therefore, it wasn't worth the effort and time to look into what is now available. How wrong! Ok, enough said! I am now a happy bunny with TortoiseSVN and I look forward to working a lot on my project and still be able to retrieve *any* previous of my project, should I need to. Just awesome! :) Alan. Back to top Kathire Guest Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 11:43 am    Post subject: Re: On Version Control again... I think FreeVCS is much better for single developer VCS. It has lock/unlock concept, so it is much helpful for people who tend to forget what they are working on. -Kathire Back to top zedd Guest Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 12:07 pm    Post subject: Re: On Version Control again... Quote: Just awesome! Just wait until you have learned how to use branching and merging, or the annotate functions, or the revision graphs, and you won't be able to suffer lock-based version control even in picture <g> Z Back to top Alan Garny Guest Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 1:18 pm    Post subject: Re: On Version Control again... "Kathire" <kathire-has-no-email (AT) email-server (DOT) com> wrote Quote: I think FreeVCS is much better for single developer VCS. It has lock/unlock concept, so it is much helpful for people who tend to forget what they are working on. Well... The locking/unlocking is *exactly* the reason I had stopped using version control systems. I simply hate that type of solution. You should read about Subversion and its copy-modify-merge approach. As a developer, whether on a one-man project or not, I find that approach much more logical, not to mention much less constraining. Alan. Back to top Alan Garny Guest Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 1:21 pm    Post subject: Re: On Version Control again... "zedd" <nospam (AT) for (DOT) me> wrote Quote: Just awesome! Just wait until you have learned how to use branching and merging, or the annotate functions, or the revision graphs, and you won't be able to suffer lock-based version control even in picture I can't see myself needing that (though one never knows), but having read about it, that does sound very nice indeed. Then again, you would expect new ideas/concepts to be an improvement on "old" ones... :) Alan. Back to top Jeremy Collins Guest Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 1:30 pm    Post subject: Re: On Version Control again... Alan Garny wrote: Quote: There have been a couple of threads on version control solutions lately. I must confess that working on a one-person project, I thought that using a version control system would be more of a pain in the neck than anything else. I have therefore been using the very simple manual solution for ages. Ie, I back up the whole structure of my project once in a while. Such a solution has helped me in a few occasions, but the biggest drawback is that its efficiency, obviously, relies on how often I back things up. It's my view that single developers *should* use a proper CVS and bug tracking database. I like Component Source RCS (CS-RCS) - it's free for single workstation use. Try downloading it and going through the simple tutorial. http://www.componentsoftware.com/products/rcs/ (Aside: I always make sure new forms are created as text in Delphi, then I can easily check them into RCS). -- jc Remove the -not from email Back to top Robert Brock Guest Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 2:52 pm    Post subject: Re: On Version Control again... Can't pass up a chance to plug a great piece of software, just because it was so well done. We don't use version control at all, only 2 developers in 2 sites, over 800 forms/units, huge.. We each zip up the entire project every evening and store it on a secure server via ftp, when it comes time to 'synch-up', I go into the office, we slap mine in one directory, his in another, and use Beyond Compare to compare all the differences in the two directory trees.. http://www.scootersoftware.com/ You can easily see which units (or text dfms) are different, and copy stuff from one side to the other.. When you dbl-click on a single file, it brings them up side-by-side with color-coded goodness, and you can easily copy lines between the two.. A great way to see exactly which each person has done, and review it, right there.. For the DB (Sybase ASA), we just pass it back and forth when one of us needs to change a schema.. Granted, wouldn't work well for many developers, but it's just right for us.. This guy's program is just so clean and well done, thought I'd mention it.. Rob Back to top Alan Garny Guest Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 3:11 pm    Post subject: Re: On Version Control again... "Robert Brock" <Notta (AT) Nowhere (DOT) Net> wrote Quote: Can't pass up a chance to plug a great piece of software, just because it was so well done. We don't use version control at all, only 2 developers in 2 sites, over 800 forms/units, huge.. We each zip up the entire project every evening and store it on a secure server via ftp, when it comes time to 'synch-up', I go into the office, we slap mine in one directory, his in another, and use Beyond Compare to compare all the differences in the two directory trees.. http://www.scootersoftware.com/ You can easily see which units (or text dfms) are different, and copy stuff from one side to the other.. When you dbl-click on a single file, it brings them up side-by-side with color-coded goodness, and you can easily copy lines between the two.. A great way to see exactly which each person has done, and review it, right there.. To some extent, that's what I used to do, except that I was using ExamDiff instead of Beyond Compare, but from what you are saying it offers the same functionality. Anyway, now for having tried TortoiseSVN, I can only say that it requires very little work, yet it offers a solution that is very powerful and useful, without being a pain to use. Hmm... would have I become a TSVN convert? :) Alan. Back to top Dennis Jones Guest Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 3:20 pm    Post subject: Re: On Version Control again... "Robert Brock" <Notta (AT) Nowhere (DOT) Net> wrote Quote: We don't use version control at all, only 2 developers in 2 sites, over 800 forms/units, huge.. We each zip up the entire project every evening and store it on a secure server via ftp, when it comes time to 'synch-up', I go into the office, we slap mine in one directory, his in another, and use Beyond Compare to compare all the differences in the two directory trees.. http://www.scootersoftware.com/ You can easily see which units (or text dfms) are different, and copy stuff from one side to the other.. When you dbl-click on a single file, it brings them up side-by-side with color-coded goodness, and you can easily copy lines between the two.. A great way to see exactly which each person has done, and review it, right there.. For the DB (Sybase ASA), we just pass it back and forth when one of us needs to change a schema.. Ouch. Man, that's a heck of a lot of work, and it's error-prone. Even for just 1 developer, version control is a much safer method. - Dennis Back to top Leonel Guest Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 3:22 pm    Post subject: Re: On Version Control again... Robert Brock wrote: Quote: We each zip up the entire project every evening and store it on a secure server via ftp, when it comes time to 'synch-up', I go into the office, we slap mine in one directory, his in another, and use Beyond Compare to compare all the differences in the two directory trees.. But don't you think that comparing manually all the differences is tiresome, prone to errors, and basically, wasted time? If you were using CVS or SVN, you wouldn't have to worry about having to merge trivial changes, so you would only have to use your Beyond Compare merge procedure when you both changed the same part of a file. -- Leonel http://www.techtips.com.br Back to top Alan Garny Guest Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 3:38 pm    Post subject: Re: On Version Control again... "Leonel" <togniolli.@.techtips.com.br> wrote Quote: Robert Brock wrote: We each zip up the entire project every evening and store it on a secure server via ftp, when it comes time to 'synch-up', I go into the office, we slap mine in one directory, his in another, and use Beyond Compare to compare all the differences in the two directory trees.. But don't you think that comparing manually all the differences is tiresome, prone to errors, and basically, wasted time? If you were using CVS or SVN, you wouldn't have to worry about having to merge trivial changes, so you would only have to use your Beyond Compare merge procedure when you both changed the same part of a file. Indeed, that's what they refer to as conflict. I found out about it when reading the doc yesterday night and I thought it was really neat. Most of the time, those conflicts will be rare, hence you don't have to do anything in the end: just commit your changes and voila! Alan. Back to top Leroy Casterline Guest Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 5:52 pm    Post subject: Re: On Version Control again... "Robert Brock" <Notta (AT) Nowhere (DOT) Net> wrote: Quote: slap mine in one directory, his in another, and use Beyond Compare to compare all the differences in the two directory trees.. http://www.scootersoftware.com/ Beyond Compare is, IMHO, indispensable. Great product, great support. That said, I think you're going to a lot more work than you need to and you're missing out on one of the great benefits of version control - comparing versions of the same file to see what changed, when it changed and (if you add check-in comments) why the changes were made. Back to top Kristofer Skaug Guest Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 9:50 pm    Post subject: Re: On Version Control again... Leroy Casterline wrote: Quote: you're missing out on one of the great benefits of version control - comparing versions of the same file to see what changed, when it changed and (if you add check-in comments) why the changes were made. Version control software does not hold a monopoly on these "features". If you have the means to archive a complete snapshot of your source tree with a single click (or two), you will probably do so just as often as someone whose source is kept in a version control system and checks in once or twice a day. There's little that prevents you from de-archiving that same snapshot (e.g. from a zip file) and compare that whole tree against some other tree, previous or current. And it is anyway sensible to keep your change comments *in* the code (e.g. a unit header), then there's no need for a change log external to the code. -- Kristofer Back to top Jason Guest Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 9:55 pm    Post subject: Re: On Version Control again... "Alan Garny" <someone (AT) somewhere (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Being in academia, I (obviously?) wanted an open source solution... After reading several posts and assessing the situation as much as I could, I decided to go for TortoiseSVN. I downloaded it and started to read the doc. After an hour or so, I started to set things up for my project and another non-computing related project. What is the difference between TortoiseCVS and TortoiseSVN? Back to top Kristofer Skaug Guest Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 10:02 pm    Post subject: Re: On Version Control again... Jason wrote: Quote: What is the difference between TortoiseCVS and TortoiseSVN? And conversely, what is the relationship between them, apart from the first 8 letters of the name? -- Kristofer Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical All times are GMT Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next Page 1 of 3   Jump to: Select a forum C++ Builder Newsgroups----------------C++ BuilderC++ Builder (ActiveX)C++ Builder (Announcements)C++ Builder (Command Line Tools)C++ Builder DatabasesC++ Builder Databases (ADO)C++ Builder Databases (Desktop)C++ Builder Databases (InterBase Express)C++ Builder Databases (Multi-Tier)C++ Builder Databases (SQL Servers)C++ Builder (Graphics)C++ Builder (IDE)C++ Builder (Internet)C++ Builder (Internet Socket)C++ Builder (Internet Web)C++ Builder (Jobs)C++ Builder (Language)C++ Builder (Language C++)C++ Builder (Compatibility with MFC)C++ Builder (Native API)C++ Builder (Non-Technical)C++ Builder (Students)C++ Builder (Third Party Tools)C++ Builder (Upgrade)C++ Builder (VCL)C++ Builder (VCL Components Usage)C++ Builder (VCL Components Development)C++ Builder (VCL Usage)C++ Builder (WinAPI)C++ Builder Installation Delphi Newsgroups----------------Delphi (General)Delphi ActiveX Controls UsageDelphi ActiveX Controls DevelopmentDelphi As400Delphi DatabasesDelphi Databases (ADO)Delphi Databases (dbExpress)Delphi Databases (Desktop)Delphi Databases (InterBase Express)Delphi Databases (Multi-Tier)Delphi Databases (SQL Servers)Delphi DeploymentDelphi GraphicsDelphi IDEDelphi InternationalizationDelphi InternetDelphi Internet Isapi-WebBrokerDelphi Internet WebSnapDelphi Internet WinsockDelphi JobsDelphi Language BASMDelphi Language ObjectPascalDelphi Model Driven Architecture (General)Delphi Model Driven Architecture (Third Party)Delphi MultimediaDelphi Native APIDelphi Non-TechnicalDelphi ObjectPascalDelphi OLE AutomationDelphi OO designDelphi OpenToolsAPIDelphi Reporting-ChartingDelphi RTLDelphi StudentsDelphi TeamSourceDelphi Thirdparty ToolsDelphi Thirdparty Tools (General)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (IntraWeb)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (RaveReports)Delphi UpgradeDelphi VCLDelphi VCL ComponentsDelphi VCL Components UsingDelphi VCL Components WritingDelphi WebServices SOAPDelphi WinAPIDelphi XMLDelphi Installationcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.misccomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.usagecomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.writingcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.databasescomp.lang.pascal.delphi.misccomp.sources.delphi JBuilder Newsgroups----------------JBuilderJBuilder AnnouncementsJBuilder Applet IssuesJBuilder As400JBuilder CompilerJBuilder CORBA/RMIJBuilder DatabasesJBuilder DB SwingJBuilder DebuggerJBuilder DeploymentJBuilder DocumentationJBuilder EnterpriseJBuilder HandheldJBuilder IDEJBuilder JavaJBuilder JavaAPIJBuilder Java LanguageJBuilder Java SwingJBuilder Java BeansJBuilder Java Beans UsageJBuilder Java Beans DevelopmentJBuilder JBCLJBuilder JDataStoreJBuilder JobsJBuilder LinuxJBuilder MacintoshJBuilder & MobileSetJBuilder MultiLingual AppsJBuilder Non-TechnicalJBuilder OpenToolsJBuilder Servlets (JSP)JBuilder StudentsJBuilder Team DevelopmentJBuilder Thirdparty ToolsJBuilder UpgradeJBuilder Installation InterBase Newsgroups----------------InterBaseInterBase Bug DiscussionInterBase GeneralInterBase IBConsoleInterBase OpenSourceInterBase ReplicationInterBase SQLInterBase ThirdpartyInterBase Installation Miscellaneous Borland Newsgroups----------------AppCenterAppServerEnteraVisiBroker  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.