BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  One more month to go, one more month to go...          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Mark Jacobs Guest Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 11:42 am    Post subject: One more month to go, one more month to go... Well, Borland, it has come round rather more quickly than you expected, huh..? -- Mark Jacobs DK Computing http://www.dkcomputing.co.uk Back to top Andrue Cope [TeamB] Guest Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 12:01 pm    Post subject: Re: One more month to go, one more month to go... Mark Jacobs wrote: Quote: Well, Borland, it has come round rather more quickly than you expected, huh..? Doesn't Christmas always? Anyway I don't really see what you're hoping to achieve by stating the obvious. -- Andrue Cope [TeamB] [Bicester, Uk] http://info.borland.com/newsgroups/guide.html Back to top Mark Jacobs Guest Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 1:13 pm    Post subject: Re: One more month to go, one more month to go... Just getting them (the Borland people concerned) primed to actually start thinking about it now, instead of 1 day before they announce "nothing we didn't know already"! (Me, cynical, never...) -- Mark Jacobs DK Computing http://www.dkcomputing.co.uk "Andrue Cope [TeamB]" <no.spam (AT) not (DOT) a.valid.address> wrote Quote: Mark Jacobs wrote: Well, Borland, it has come round rather more quickly than you expected, huh..? Doesn't Christmas always? Anyway I don't really see what you're hoping to achieve by stating the obvious. -- Andrue Cope [TeamB] [Bicester, Uk] http://info.borland.com/newsgroups/guide.html Back to top Vladimir Stefanovic Guest Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 3:20 pm    Post subject: Re: One more month to go, one more month to go... Have they (Borland) said to what year 15th of Decembre is related to be the BCB D-day ? Best regards, Vladimir Stefanovic Mark Jacobs <http://www.jacobsm.com/mjmsg?Borland%20Newsgroup> wrote in message news:4198960d$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Well, Borland, it has come round rather more quickly than you expected, huh..? -- Mark Jacobs DK Computing http://www.dkcomputing.co.uk Back to top Andrue Cope [TeamB] Guest Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 3:26 pm    Post subject: Re: One more month to go, one more month to go... Vladimir Stefanovic wrote: Quote: Have they (Borland) said to what year 15th of Decembre is related to be the BCB D-day ? Yes. This year. -- Andrue Cope [TeamB] [Bicester, Uk] http://info.borland.com/newsgroups/guide.html Back to top Gillmer J. Derge [TeamB] Guest Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 3:29 pm    Post subject: Re: One more month to go, one more month to go... Vladimir Stefanovic wrote: Quote: Have they (Borland) said to what year 15th of Decembre is related to be the BCB D-day ? Yes (2004). -- Gillmer J. Derge [TeamB] Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 9:01 am    Post subject: Re: One more month to go, one more month to go... "J Alexander" <local (AT) 127 (DOT) 0.0.1> wrote Quote: Don't hold your breath. On Dec 15th they will repeat the same old platitudes about how much they value developers, how much they are committed to C++ development, new bigger and better products, blah-blah-blah. Same tripe we have already heard from them ad nauseam. Not true. We were promised very specific answers to very specific questions: - Will non-CBX, RAD-based (aka VCL) C++ development be continued? - If so, will the current BCB IDE be updated and released as BCB7 (or BCB X, or BCB 2005, or whatever naming convenion they are using nowadays)? Or will it be implemented as a C++ personality inside of BDS (Borland Developer Studio) instead? Personally, I think the answers will be "Yes" and "BDS". Most of the work as already been done to that end, we saw a working demo of it in action at BorCon. Gambit Back to top Mark Jacobs Guest Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:20 pm    Post subject: Re: One more month to go, one more month to go... Remy, I am going to hold you personally responsible (just joking!) if all of these specific questions do not get answered. Here are the likely (vague) replies that they will give :- 1) Will non-CBX, RAD-based (aka VCL) C++ development be continued? "Not in the way you currently know it. It will be supported, but in a different product, and not quite in the same way as you currently have it." 2) If so, will the current BCB IDE be updated and released as BCB7 (or BCB X, or BCB 2005, or whatever naming convenion they are using nowadays)? Or will it be implemented as a C++ personality inside of BDS (Borland Developer Studio) instead? If "if so" is apt, then they'll say, "It will not be continued as BCB7 - C++ will be a new personality in BDS, but it will be the last personality we'll add - we've got Delphi, C#, Java and ..Net to think of first, and that's after we sort out the farce known as CBX. So, you'll have to wait a long time, and we're not sure how long. We'll make an announcement as to when the personality will be developed for BDS on Dec.15th 2005 - thankyou for your attention." So, so much for Dec.15th - nothing we didn't already know already. Perhaps Borland's ploy is to keep putting BCB's future plans back, until we all forget about it, and it dies away slowly. That's what it seems like IMO. -- Mark Jacobs DK Computing http://www.dkcomputing.co.uk "Remy Lebeau (TeamB)" <no.spam (AT) no (DOT) spam.com> wrote Quote: "J Alexander" <local (AT) 127 (DOT) 0.0.1> wrote in message news:419ebcb3$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Don't hold your breath. On Dec 15th they will repeat the same old platitudes about how much they value developers, how much they are committed to C++ development, new bigger and better products, blah-blah-blah. Same tripe we have already heard from them ad nauseam. Not true. We were promised very specific answers to very specific questions: - Will non-CBX, RAD-based (aka VCL) C++ development be continued? - If so, will the current BCB IDE be updated and released as BCB7 (or BCB X, or BCB 2005, or whatever naming convenion they are using nowadays)? Or will it be implemented as a C++ personality inside of BDS (Borland Developer Studio) instead? Personally, I think the answers will be "Yes" and "BDS". Most of the work as already been done to that end, we saw a working demo of it in action at BorCon. Back to top Andrue Cope [TeamB] Guest Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 1:38 pm    Post subject: Re: One more month to go, one more month to go... Mark Jacobs wrote: Quote: 1) Will non-CBX, RAD-based (aka VCL) C++ development be continued? "Not in the way you currently know it. It will be supported, but in a different product, and not quite in the same way as you currently have it." Not known at this time. My feeling though is that it all hinges around BCB. If BCB is not continued in any form then RAD C++ development will die with it. Quote: 2) If so, will the current BCB IDE be updated and released as BCB7 This will not happen. The BCB IDE is a hacked version of the old Delphi IDE and I get the impression that part of the reason why it had so few fixes was that it was a PITA to do anything with it. The only change is that now the entire code base for it is probably obsolete. Quote: Or will it be implemented as a C++ personality inside of BDS (Borland Developer Studio This is probably the only option. At "Meet the Team" we saw that preparatory work had already been done. It was a simple demo (a form with a button that when clicked put text into a TMemo but all the components were added before our eyes so the basics of the Object Inspector are there. My feeling was that 'all' that remains is documentation, testing and perhaps some adjustments to the compiler to support the very latest VCL. I am hopeful that all this could be done in six months leading to a Summer point release of BDS consisting of the BCB personality. Whether Borland will or even can do this I have no idea. They may be intending to give us an updated C++ compiler as well in which case six months is unlikely. Quote: So, so much for Dec.15th - nothing we didn't already know already. Wrong. At the moment none of us *knows* anything. We guess and we hope but we don't *know*. The forthcoming announcement is supposed to change that. 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