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Oleg Tiktinski
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 Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 2:16 am Post subject: Ones Again VCL.NET :) |
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I know news groups full of messages about it, but i will ask about it
again, please  do not kick me hard.  )
As i understand next VCL is VCL.NET ? if so it's fine. BUT :
1. VCL.NET will be supported in CBX ?
2. When it will happend this year, next year ?
3. VCL.NET will have .NET stuff in the back and front interface will be
the same or VCL will have front interface acroding to .NET Platform.
4. How we will convert VCL projects into VCL.NET.
Thank you,
Oleg.
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Remy Lebeau (TeamB)
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 2:34 am Post subject: Re: Ones Again VCL.NET :) |
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"Oleg Tiktinski" <oleg (AT) sequoiap (DOT) com> wrote
| Quote: | 1. VCL.NET will be supported in CBX ?
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Eventually. Maybe not right away, but by the time support for Managed C++
for .NET is implemented, it will be.
| Quote: | 2. When it will happend this year, next year ?
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There is no information on that at the moment.
| Quote: | 3. VCL.NET will have .NET stuff in the back and front interface
will be the same
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Yes.
| Quote: | 4. How we will convert VCL projects into VCL.NET.
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The idea is that you won't have to. VCL.NET is 90+% API compatibility with
the current VCL, so migration from VCL/Win32 to VCL.NET should be easy.
Gambit
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Harold Howe [TeamB]
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 3:04 pm Post subject: Re: Ones Again VCL.NET :) |
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Oleg Tiktinski wrote:
| Quote: | 4. How we will convert VCL projects into VCL.NET.
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VCL for .net is by design very compatible with vcl for win32. The bigger
hurdle, I am guessing, will be the change from BCB langauge extensions
to managed C++ language extensions if Borland does not add the old
extensions to their managed compiler. Since MS has their own syntax for
properties, and that syntax is being submitted to ecma, Borland could
just adopt that syntax instead of its own.
In fact, they may not even write a managed compiler. They certainly
don't need to.
h^2
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Vadim Farberov
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: Ones Again VCL.NET :) |
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Actually according to one very recent Borland public statement, C++Builder,
Kylix and C++ Mobile Edition are all parts of .NET development :)
"Specifically, we see three major product categories: Design, Develop and
Deploy. Design includes the products from our recent acquisitions of
TogetherSoft and Starbase: StarTeam, CaliberRM, Together and other related
design and management products. Develop includes two major categories: Java,
which includes JBuilder, Java Studio and Optimizeit, and .NET, which
includes Delphi, C#Builder, C++Builder, Kylix and C++ Mobile Edition. ..."
From Borland Corp Quaterly report of 11/14/03:
http://biz.yahoo.com/e/031114/borl10-q.html
The document got some interesting numbers on Borland's finances too.
Interesting to compare them with Dale's optimism during his speach at the
BorCon opening.
"Remy Lebeau (TeamB)" <gambit47.no.spam (AT) no (DOT) spam.yahoo.com> wrote
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"Oleg Tiktinski" <oleg (AT) sequoiap (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:3fb43b1a$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com...
1. VCL.NET will be supported in CBX ?
Eventually. Maybe not right away, but by the time support for Managed C++
for .NET is implemented, it will be.
2. When it will happend this year, next year ?
There is no information on that at the moment.
3. VCL.NET will have .NET stuff in the back and front interface
will be the same
Yes.
4. How we will convert VCL projects into VCL.NET.
The idea is that you won't have to. VCL.NET is 90+% API compatibility
with
the current VCL, so migration from VCL/Win32 to VCL.NET should be easy.
Gambit
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David Erbas-White
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: Ones Again VCL.NET :) |
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Vadim Farberov wrote:
| Quote: | From Borland Corp Quaterly report of 11/14/03:
http://biz.yahoo.com/e/031114/borl10-q.html
The document got some interesting numbers on Borland's finances too.
Interesting to compare them with Dale's optimism during his speach at the
BorCon opening.
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VERY interesting reading. It's shocking if you really look at the
numbers, for example, their income from their development tools is down
30% for the last 9 months compared to last year. They've posted a huge
loss for the previous 9 months, plus their cash position has dropped
from $300 million last year to $200 million now. But, here's the kicker:
"Reductions in force. In an effort to streamline our organization, we
recently reduced the number of employees in the
company from 1,618 to 1,530 including a reduction of 29 employees in our
research and development operations. Given the substantial cuts that we
made, there is a risk that we will not be able to ship new products or
product upgrades at the times that we originally planned. If we
experience delays in the shipment of new products or product upgrades,
we may lose customers or may not achieve anticipated sales during a
particular period."
So, for anyone who is expecting anything to come out of Borland to fix
the current problems, think again. If you think that a
recently-decimated and demoralized R&D team will be able to assist with
the VCL-to-CBX transition, you're dreaming.
David Erbas-White
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mr_organic
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: Ones Again VCL.NET :) |
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David Erbas-White <derbas (AT) arachneering (DOT) com> wrote in
news:3fb52bcc$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com:
| Quote: | SNIP
So, for anyone who is expecting anything to come out of Borland to fix
the current problems, think again. If you think that a
recently-decimated and demoralized R&D team will be able to assist
with the VCL-to-CBX transition, you're dreaming.
David Erbas-White
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This is called a "death spiral", and it happens to a lot of tech
companies in Borland's position. If you're a software house and you lose
the capability to do basic R&D, you might as well get out of the business
and become a Microsoft reseller.
The whole Inprise debacle really sapped Borland's strength at a critical
time. Had they focused intensely on making a peerless WIN32 development
tool for C/C++ programmers, they could easily have stopped the Visual
Studio juggernaut before it completely took over the development market.
Instead, they poured their resources into proprietary Pascal-based Delphi
and a so-so Java IDE (JBuilder). And what did it get them? A fractional
percentage of the development market and a dramatically-downsized
developer base.
Borland can't seem to decide what business they're in. Are they a
develpoment tool house? A tools vendor? An enterprise-infrastructure
company? Here's a hint: they don't have the depth or experience to be
all of these things at once.
mr_organic
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Andrew Walsh
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 1:20 am Post subject: Re: Ones Again VCL.NET :) |
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David Erbas-White <derbas (AT) arachneering (DOT) com> wrote:
If you think that a
| Quote: | recently-decimated and demoralized R&D team will be able to assist with
the VCL-to-CBX transition, you're dreaming.
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It sounds to me like they badly need to spread the development
and maintenance load by some innovative use of open source to
bring outside programmers on board somehow.
If you look at what they did to their customers with Kylix,
and now to their C++Builder customers by announcing it will
be replaced by CBX - a product not close to ready... you have
to wonder what they're going to do to their customers next -
hunt them down one by one and kick them in the groin?
It's almost comical.
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Alex Bakaev [TeamB]
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: Ones Again VCL.NET :) |
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Andrew Walsh wrote:
| Quote: | David Erbas-White <derbas (AT) arachneering (DOT) com> wrote:
If you think that a
recently-decimated and demoralized R&D team will be able to assist with
the VCL-to-CBX transition, you're dreaming.
It sounds to me like they badly need to spread the development
and maintenance load by some innovative use of open source to
bring outside programmers on board somehow.
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Hmm, what do you think the wxW effort is?
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If you look at what they did to their customers with Kylix,
and now to their C++Builder customers by announcing it will
be replaced by CBX - a product not close to ready... you have
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It's ready for what it does.
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