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Paul Gustavson Guest
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 2:08 pm Post subject: Open Community Letter at Version 1.6 |
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Okay, getting some good feedback from everyone. Thanks.
Here's an update, which includes a piece on thirdy-party component vendors.
http://www.simventions.com/gustavson/2004/10/open-community-letter-to-borland.html
(note new link due to the fact we're in October now)
Question of the day:
are we close with the letter?
r/ Paul
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OBones Guest
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: Open Community Letter at Version 1.6 |
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Paul Gustavson wrote:
Looks good, apart for the few missing spaces and typos:
BCB often depened upon
should be
BCB often depend upon
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Doug Guest
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:19 pm Post subject: Re: Open Community Letter at Version 1.6 |
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"Paul Gustavson" <pgustavNOSPAM (AT) NOSPAMsimventions (DOT) com> wrote:
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Question of the day:
are we close with the letter?
r/ Paul
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The letter looks good to me. The content is fine and I wouldn't make it any longer.
Doug
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Leroy Casterline Guest
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:53 pm Post subject: Re: Open Community Letter at Version 1.6 |
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"Paul Gustavson" <pgustavNOSPAM (AT) NOSPAMsimventions (DOT) com> wrote:
| Quote: | Here's an update, which includes a piece on thirdy-party component vendors.
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Great job, very well done. I've found a couple of typos and have a
couple of suggestions. Also, Matthew's comment to your blog is, IMHO, on
target. You might want to work some of this into the letter.
As another example, today’s modern marine relies on Forward Observer
--> Marine should be capitalized.
some of which was built using C++Builder, which are hosted on
-->some of which were built
intellectual property rights and track down sources of internalcomputer
--> space between internal and computer
customer/sponsors and users of a software developer’s program creating
-->customers, sponsors(???)
-->creating should be created
using C++Builder rely and expect that software to be able to be
maintained and updated, especially mission critical software.
-->perhaps rephrase??
using C++Builder expect and rely on that software being able to be
maintained and updated, especially mission critical software.
The ability for software developers to continue to support
customer/sponsors and users with the product who expect updates and
continued software maintenance is directly influenced by the
availability of the language, framework and tool for which they use to
build the software. If Borland doesn’t deliver, than the developer is at
risk at delivering as well.
-->perhaps rephrase??
The ability for software developers to continue to support customers,
sponsors and users - who expect updates and continued software
maintenance - is directly influenced by the availability of the
language, framework and tools which they used to build the software. If
Borland doesn’t deliver, then the developer is at risk of being unable
to deliver as well.
the development and updates of the C++Builder product line. And, based
-->perhaps rephrase??
to develop and update the C++Builder product line.
on the decisions that we and our customers need to make highlighted in
-->perhaps rephrase??
on the decisions that we and our customers need to make, as highlighted
really our future.” We hope that this is true, for there is not greater
time such as this for Borland to live by these words.
-->perhaps rephrase??
really our future.” We hope that this is true, there is no greater time
than this for Borland to live by these words.
that may been developed using C++Builder either in part and or in whole
-->that may have been developed
single product nor used in a court law for settling contractual disputes
-->court of law
Merely the recognition of the application of a product, namely
C++Builder, was used to either build or maintain critical software or
software elements for the said entity, and, therefore, that is why they
are identified.
-->perhaps rephrase??
The software products and/or entities referenced in this letter are
mentioned only for purposes of identifying C++Builder as a critical tool
used in the construction of said software or by said entities.
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Colin B Maharaj Guest
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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 12:20 am Post subject: Re: Open Community Letter at Version 1.6 |
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Hi Paul, firstly as a C++ Builder Developer, I thank you greatly in the
effort you have undertaken in restoring Borland's efforts in C++ Builder.
C++ Builder and the news groups are the best things that has ever
happened to me (probably second to being born).
C++ Builder has sky rocketed my into developer status, for once I was a
Telecoms Technician (still am...), but I am trying to leave this behind
to move onto bigger and better things, to the point that I have finally
decided to develop full time (currently all my efforts are part time).
This is not an easy decision and I will have to be lean and organized
for a while until I can make it as a freelance telecoms developer.
Enough of the mushy stuff - The signatures... how am I going to get mine
to you, should it be scanned and emailed to you??? any suggestion will
be appreciated.
Thanks again Paul.....
Paul Gustavson wrote:
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Kenneth de Camargo Guest
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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 12:42 am Post subject: Re: Open Community Letter at Version 1.6 |
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Paul Gustavson wrote:
| Quote: | Question of the day:
are we close with the letter?
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I think you nailed it. Once again, congrats and thanks for the hard
work.
--
Ken
http://planeta.terra.com.br/educacao/kencamargo/
* this is not a sig *
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Paul Gustavson Guest
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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 2:42 am Post subject: Re: Open Community Letter at Version 1.7 |
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Leroy,
excellent eds -- thank you.
Also, as you mentioned, Matthew's comments to the blog seemed valid, and
infused them as best I could.
Therefore - I have cleansed and updated the community letter yet again.
It's better than ever... I hope.
I'm almost ready to push it out as an early release PDF.
Just need those signatures / survey results / and a place to deposit
(upload) letters for those who wish to write additional/ organizational
ones.
Keep in mind the signature page let's you make a short comment that will be
passed on to Borland.
r/ Paul
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Leroy Casterline Guest
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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 3:26 pm Post subject: Re: Open Community Letter at Version 1.7 |
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Here's a comment from your blog:
"I'd love to sign your letter, but can't use my company's name, or their
client's names. This for fear that our business would be imperiled by
Borland's lack of developer / product support."
I wonder if we should work this into the last paragraph where you talk
about companies who don't wish to be connected with the open letter. I
don't know if this is a good idea or not, just wanted to bring it up.
A couple more edits if you don't mind, Paul:
Consider that these vendors have a more viable and financial interest to
-->remove the 'and' between 'viable' and 'financial'
-->perhaps rephrase??
Consider that these vendors have a stronger financial interest in
producing
Delphi/BCB vendors to equip them with essential VCL controls and
-->change 'controls and' to 'controls,'
This is an attribute in which C++ has often been able to support.
-->remove the 'in' between 'attribute' and 'which'
availability of the language, framework and tools for which they use to
-->remove the 'for' between 'tools' and 'which'
find that it is imperative that Borland continue to the develop and
update the C++Builder product line.
-->remove 'the' between 'to' and 'develop'
renewed their focus in C++ as the principal language to exploit all the
-->change 'focus in C++' to 'focus on C++'
greater time than this for Borland to live and measure up to these words
-->perhaps change "live and measure up" to "live by and measure up"
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Paul Gustavson Guest
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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: Open Community Letter at Version 1.7d |
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Again, excellent eds. Please check the last paragraph of the letter now to
see if I've conveyed the intent of your recommendation for the person who
made the following comment.
| Quote: | "I'd love to sign your letter, but can't use my company's name, or their
client's names. This for fear that our business would be imperiled by
Borland's lack of developer / product support."
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Leroy Casterline Guest
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 12:09 am Post subject: Re: Open Community Letter at Version 1.7d |
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"Paul Gustavson" <pgustavNOSPAM (AT) NOSPAMsimventions (DOT) com> wrote:
| Quote: | Again, excellent eds. Please check the last paragraph of the letter now to
see if I've conveyed the intent of your recommendation for the person who
made the following comment.
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I think the paragraph you've added helps us to make our case, a good
addition IMHO. I'm not sure that we should say that a significant number
of companies have expressed this concern unless we know this to be the
case. I don't know how many companies have contacted us regarding this -
if it is only the one, perhaps we should phrase the paragraph
differently. What do you think of changing it to something like this:
"It should be noted that one company has declined to be publicly
identified in this open letter out of concern that their investors and
customers will react negatively to their use of C++Builder - an
apparently foundering tool with an uncertain future - in the creation of
their core products. There is no way to know how many other companies
have abstained from contributing to this letter for similar reasons,
without contacting us to express their regrets."
This leaves out the last section of that paragraph, but I think that
section perhaps diluted the main message a bit. YMMV.
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Randall Parker Guest
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 9:40 am Post subject: Re: Open Community Letter at Version 1.7d |
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It is obvious at this point that telling customers that one develops one's app in BCB
is unwise unless you think your customers really trust you. A dev tool that might be
dead is not what you want to tell customers you are using.
Leroy Casterline wrote:
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"It should be noted that one company has declined to be publicly
identified in this open letter out of concern that their investors and
customers will react negatively to their use of C++Builder - an
apparently foundering tool with an uncertain future - in the creation of
their core products. There is no way to know how many other companies
have abstained from contributing to this letter for similar reasons,
without contacting us to express their regrets."
This leaves out the last section of that paragraph, but I think that
section perhaps diluted the main message a bit. YMMV.
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Paul Gustavson Guest
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:32 am Post subject: Re: Open Community Letter at Version 1.7e |
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Thanks, I've made a few more tweaks based on your comments. I have heard
from several folks who were either to identify their development company or
sponsor. So it is more than one, but certainly not a "significant" number.
Thus, I changed it from "significant" to "several".
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Leroy Casterline Guest
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: Open Community Letter at Version 1.7e |
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"Paul Gustavson" <pgustavNOSPAM (AT) NOSPAMsimventions (DOT) com> wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks, I've made a few more tweaks based on your comments. I have heard
from several folks who were either to identify their development company or
sponsor. So it is more than one, but certainly not a "significant" number.
Thus, I changed it from "significant" to "several".
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I think the letter's ready. Great job, Paul. Thanks for your hard work
on behalf of the BCB community.
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Leroy Casterline Guest
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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: Open Community Letter at Version 1.7e |
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Paul, I found one more nit. In the line:
As another example, today’s modern marine relies on Forward Observer
If you're referring to a member of the U.S. Marine Corps, "Marine"
should be capitalized.
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Paul Gustavson Guest
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 4:53 am Post subject: Re: Open Community Letter at Version 1.7e |
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Hmm. I thought I fixed this once b4. It's fixed now though - thanks.
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