BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Open Delphi? Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Danijel Tkalcec Guest Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:03 pm    Post subject: Open Delphi? How does Delphi community think about this? http://opendelphi.org/ 500 individuals are hardly in a position to bargain with Borland about buying Delphi copyrights, but if there were more than 10.000, there was a really good plan and everyone would be willing to pay at least $200 for their "piece of the cake", it could stand a small chance of succeeding. But, then again, I doubt there will be more than a few hundred developers even considering this, while only a very small group would be willing to invest their money to make Delphi free for the rest. Best Regards, Danijel Tkalcec http://www.realthinclient.org Back to top Craig Guest Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Open Delphi? Quote: 500 individuals are hardly in a position to bargain with Borland about buying Delphi copyrights, but if there were more than 10.000, there was a really good plan and everyone would be willing to pay at least $200 for their "piece of the cake", it could stand a small chance of succeeding. I don't want to rain on anyones parade, but this stands no chance of success and goes against any common business sense. Craig. Back to top Pete Fraser Guest Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Open Delphi? a) Borland aren't going to do this as all their staff would lose their jobs and b) who wants to be responsible for kicking a whole load of people out of a job. Not a nice thought really. (However much people want a free/cheap IDE) Rgds Pete "Danijel Tkalcec" <rtc (AT) deltasoft (DOT) hr> wrote in message news:441170bf$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: How does Delphi community think about this? http://opendelphi.org/ 500 individuals are hardly in a position to bargain with Borland about buying Delphi copyrights, but if there were more than 10.000, there was a really good plan and everyone would be willing to pay at least $200 for their "piece of the cake", it could stand a small chance of succeeding. But, then again, I doubt there will be more than a few hundred developers even considering this, while only a very small group would be willing to invest their money to make Delphi free for the rest. Best Regards, Danijel Tkalcec http://www.realthinclient.org Back to top Robby Tanner Guest Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Open Delphi? "Craig" <craigvn (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:44117898 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: 500 individuals are hardly in a position to bargain with Borland about buying Delphi copyrights, but if there were more than 10.000, there was a really good plan and everyone would be willing to pay at least $200 for their "piece of the cake", it could stand a small chance of succeeding. I don't want to rain on anyones parade, but this stands no chance of success and goes against any common business sense. I didn't see that OpenDelphi.org was trying to make a business case for their approach. Back to top Stephane Wierzbicki Guest Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Open Delphi? I guess that is only possible in a perfect world (or in the matrix) ... make your own conclusion now Back to top Robby Tanner Guest Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Open Delphi? "Pete Fraser" <pete.nospam.fraser.nospam (AT) frasersoft (DOT) nospam.net> wrote in message news:44117542$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: a) Borland aren't going to do this as all their staff would lose their jobs and Once it's sold off Borland has no say or control and probably isn't all that concerned what happens. They'll have their own fish to fry. I don't know if anybody's been paying attention, but the it's "just business" (remember that from the Godfather). Quote: b) who wants to be responsible for kicking a whole load of people out of a job. Anybody who wants to "control labour costs" for one (a euphemism for increasing the profit of a few at the expense of the livelihood of others). The people responsible are the ones who put those employees at risk by making the decision to sell. It is unfair to accuse the people who are trying to secure the future of their preferred development tool of putting people out of work. They didn't create the situation. I'm still not convinced that a better strategy is to risk the product being killed by a former competitor, a practice Borland itself has exercised once in a while. What happens to the "whole load of people" then? Why should we be that concerned about that particular group of developers? People are put out of jobs all the time. I'm not suggesting it's pleasant, but I can't see that it is possible or even feasible to insulate anyone from that potential outcome. In many occassions, there is an upside. Smaller software houses get a boost in talent as highly skilled labour gets back on the market. What are better long-term plans? Or has that been expressed in another thread? I do agree that the OpenDelphi initiative is unlikely to succeed, mainly in the ability to put together a purchase offer. I'm not all against it though. I admire those who have opted to take an active approach to this shakeup, in the face of much uncertainty and negativity. Rob Back to top Robby Tanner Guest Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Open Delphi? "Alan Garny" <someone (AT) somewhere (DOT) com> wrote in message news:44118370$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: "Danijel Tkalcec" <rtc (AT) deltasoft (DOT) hr> wrote in message news:441170bf$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... How does Delphi community think about this? http://opendelphi.org/ 500 individuals are hardly in a position to bargain with Borland about buying Delphi copyrights, but if there were more than 10.000, there was a really good plan and everyone would be willing to pay at least $200 for their "piece of the cake", it could stand a small chance of succeeding. But, then again, I doubt there will be more than a few hundred developers even considering this, while only a very small group would be willing to invest their money to make Delphi free for the rest. That has already been discussed here. If you read some of the arguments, you will quickly understand that such an initiative is completely pointless. Only inasmuch as it will fail due to apathy. I've yet to hear any TKO arguments against the idea itself. Back to top Alan Garny Guest Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Open Delphi? "Danijel Tkalcec" <rtc (AT) deltasoft (DOT) hr> wrote in message news:441170bf$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: How does Delphi community think about this? http://opendelphi.org/ 500 individuals are hardly in a position to bargain with Borland about buying Delphi copyrights, but if there were more than 10.000, there was a really good plan and everyone would be willing to pay at least $200 for their "piece of the cake", it could stand a small chance of succeeding. But, then again, I doubt there will be more than a few hundred developers even considering this, while only a very small group would be willing to invest their money to make Delphi free for the rest. That has already been discussed here. If you read some of the arguments, you will quickly understand that such an initiative is completely pointless. Alan. Back to top Thomas Steinmaurer Guest Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Open Delphi? Quote: How does Delphi community think about this? http://opendelphi.org/ 500 individuals are hardly in a position to bargain with Borland about buying Delphi copyrights, but if there were more than 10.000, there was a really good plan and everyone would be willing to pay at least $200 for their "piece of the cake", it could stand a small chance of succeeding. But, then again, I doubt there will be more than a few hundred developers even considering this, while only a very small group would be willing to invest their money to make Delphi free for the rest. I for one would like to have Delphi in commercial hands, and IMHO the whole opendelphi.org thingy might work out as a marketing thingy for the company who stands behind that idea. Regards, Thomas Back to top Alan Garny Guest Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Open Delphi? "Robby Tanner" <robby_tanner (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:44118fdf$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: "Alan Garny" <someone (AT) somewhere (DOT) com> wrote in message news:44118370$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... "Danijel Tkalcec" <rtc (AT) deltasoft (DOT) hr> wrote in message news:441170bf$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... How does Delphi community think about this? http://opendelphi.org/ 500 individuals are hardly in a position to bargain with Borland about buying Delphi copyrights, but if there were more than 10.000, there was a really good plan and everyone would be willing to pay at least $200 for their "piece of the cake", it could stand a small chance of succeeding. But, then again, I doubt there will be more than a few hundred developers even considering this, while only a very small group would be willing to invest their money to make Delphi free for the rest. That has already been discussed here. If you read some of the arguments, you will quickly understand that such an initiative is completely pointless. Only inasmuch as it will fail due to apathy. I've yet to hear any TKO arguments against the idea itself. Why would that group of people do with Delphi, assuming they can buy it? How would they pay the staff? Who would decide what business plan to go for? Etc. There are people whose job is to do that kind of thing, so leave it to them. A bunch of programmers cannot improvise themselves business deciders just like that... Alan. Back to top Florent Ouchet Guest Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Open Delphi? Danijel Tkalcec a écrit : Quote: How does Delphi community think about this? http://opendelphi.org/ voted (against). Individual shareholders won't be able to fund such a project. Although they manage to get 100MUSD, they won't be able to invest more time and more money to implement 64 bits and .NET 2.0. Delphi (and also JBuilder and other IDEs...) would dye... -- Florent Ouchet The software quality office will be part of DevCo :p Application Life Management was a great idea but high quality level in applications is more valuable than an utopia. Back to top Craig Guest Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:04 am    Post subject: Re: Open Delphi? Quote: I don't want to rain on anyones parade, but this stands no chance of success and goes against any common business sense. I didn't see that OpenDelphi.org was trying to make a business case for their approach. Their business case is raise money, buy Delphi, and open source it. Considering they have pledged $20k so far they probably need at least 1000 times more in actual donations to make it happen! Craig Back to top Robby Tanner Guest Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:04 am    Post subject: Re: Open Delphi? "Alan Garny" <someone (AT) somewhere (DOT) com> wrote in message news:441194c1$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: "Robby Tanner" <robby_tanner (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:44118e9c$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... "Pete Fraser" <pete.nospam.fraser.nospam (AT) frasersoft (DOT) nospam.net> wrote in message news:44117542$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... a) Borland aren't going to do this as all their staff would lose their jobs and Once it's sold off Borland has no say or control and probably isn't all that concerned what happens. They'll have their own fish to fry. I don't know if anybody's been paying attention, but the it's "just business" (remember that from the Godfather). First, Borland would have to sell to that group of people, which I don't think it would, so... As stated before, I also don't think they'll get the momentum needed to make a viable bid. Back to top Sarah Guest Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:04 am    Post subject: Re: Open Delphi? Danijel Tkalcec wrote: Quote: How does Delphi community think about this? http://opendelphi.org/ If they gather any money, they better spend that amount to pay FreePascal / Lazarus guys! -Sarah Back to top Robby Tanner Guest Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:04 am    Post subject: Re: Open Delphi? Quote: That has already been discussed here. If you read some of the arguments, you will quickly understand that such an initiative is completely pointless. Only inasmuch as it will fail due to apathy. I've yet to hear any TKO arguments against the idea itself. Why would that group of people do with Delphi, assuming they can buy it? It seems obvious they would open source it. Quote: How would they pay the staff? Who would decide what business plan to go for? What staff? What business? You've assumed the company would not be dissolved.. 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