BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Open Source in danger          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Clément Doss Guest Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 6:33 pm    Post subject: Open Source in danger Can't believe this ... http://www.linuxlookup.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1262&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 Clément Back to top Shadavar Guest Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 10:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Open Source in danger man that sucks ... i've learnt a lot because of the open source market Back to top Alessandro Federici Guest Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2003 3:50 am    Post subject: Re: Open Source in danger "Clément Doss" <cdoss (AT) nospam (DOT) dhs.com.br> wrote Quote: Can't believe this ... Saw that on http://www.go-mono.com which has only been redirecting to that other site for a few days... Back to top Rene Tschaggelar Guest Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2003 3:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Open Source in danger Clément Doss wrote: Quote: Can't believe this ... http://www.linuxlookup.com/modules.php?op=modload&name= News&file=article&sid=1262&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 I doubt it. Since you can challenge a patent when the main content is trivial and obvious, I tend to think the challenges of patents will increase. Rene Back to top Wayne Niddery [TeamB] Guest Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2003 3:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Open Source in danger Rene Tschaggelar wrote: Quote: Since you can challenge a patent when the main content is trivial and obvious, I tend to think the challenges of patents will increase. Once a patent is granted it is extremely difficult and rare for it to ever be repealed. So it will take much greater resources by many to constantly watch for pending patents and produce the materials needed to attempt to prevent them from being granted. Where the patent system has gone off the rails is that they are supposed to be granted to *specific methods of implementating ideas*, not the ideas themselves. I believe there are legitimate software patents, but most existing ones are totally invalid. For example, "one-click payment" is an idea, not an implementation of it, and so should not be subject to patent protection - anyone should legally be able to offer one-click payment, all Amazon should be entitled to is their particular way of implementing it, and even then it must be non-obvious and original. The LZW algorithm is a legitimate patent because it doesn't stop anyone from creating any number of other *implementations* of compression, it is a *specific* implementation of compression. (The way Unisys *handled* this affair is another story). -- Wayne Niddery - Logic Fundamentals, Inc. (www.logicfundamentals.com) RADBooks: http://www.logicfundamentals.com/RADBooks.html "It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself." - Thomas Jefferson Back to top Ingvar Nilsen Guest Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2003 3:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Open Source in danger Wayne Niddery [TeamB] wrote: Quote: For example, "one-click payment" is an idea, not an implementation of it, and so should not be subject to patent protection - anyone should legally be able to offer one-click payment, all Amazon should be entitled to is their particular way of implementing it, and even then it must be non-obvious and original. Agreed, but is this reality? My previous employer spent $$ on getting a US patent on something my co-founder and I invented, so we have a patent now, in our names. But we didn't submit any source code, it is the implementation that was patented. Have no idea whether it holds water, but we spent an enormous amount of money on that bureau in Austin, TX . Our American advisor said that in USA it is important to have patents, just patents for the sake of it, to have ammo in case of a trial. Ok, apart from all this, I believe you cannot patent something that has been published. The ZLIB compression algorithm was published just to avoid patents, AFAIK. And I really hope this horror scenario will not happen. Sounds like a breath from the middle age with guilds and the like. -- Ingvar Nilsen Back to top JQP Guest Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2003 4:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Open Source in danger "Ingvar Nilsen" <telcontr@[Remove-This-Part]online.no> wrote Quote: Our American advisor said that in USA it is important to have patents, just patents for the sake of it, to have ammo in case of a trial. Another name for a patent is "basis for legal action". The vast majority of patents are never enforced or tested in court. If they were, many would be declared invalid. All of this is totally irrelevant to the patent holder. In many cases, what the patent holder is really after is a way to tie the competition up in court, force them to spend money on legal fees and divert as much of their time and effort as possible away from the marketplace. Back to top Rosimildo da Silva Guest Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2003 4:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Open Source in danger JQP wrote: Quote: "Ingvar Nilsen" <telcontr@[Remove-This-Part]online.no> wrote in message news:3f50c93f$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Our American advisor said that in USA it is important to have patents, just patents for the sake of it, to have ammo in case of a trial. Another name for a patent is "basis for legal action". The vast majority of patents are never enforced or tested in court. If they were, many would be declared invalid. All of this is totally irrelevant to the patent holder. In many cases, what the patent holder is really after is a way to tie the competition up in court, force them to spend money on legal fees and divert as much of their time and effort as possible away from the marketplace. In another words, the *small little guy* with little pockets or no pocket, never stands a chance. <g> Rosimildo. Back to top JQP Guest Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2003 5:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Open Source in danger "Rosimildo da Silva" <rosimildo (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote Quote: In another words, the *small little guy* with little pockets or no pocket, never stands a chance. I wouldn't say the *small little guy* has no chance but the odds are against him if he decides to butt heads with the *big guy*. Always have been, always will be. 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