BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  pascal based CE.NET RAD          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Frenk Guest Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 1:03 am    Post subject: pascal based CE.NET RAD Is there any pascal based RAD (or semi-rad) environment with debugging capabilities (or more simple than VC++ 4.0 Embedded) for developing native CE.NET (ARM) applications? I know that FPC has compiler (no debugger yet) but it is in a very early stage. Regards, Frenk Back to top Marco van de Voort Guest Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:03 am    Post subject: Re: pascal based CE.NET RAD On 2006-03-25, Frenk <Frenk3 (AT) volja (DOT) net> wrote: Quote: Is there any pascal based RAD (or semi-rad) environment with debugging capabilities (or more simple than VC++ 4.0 Embedded) for developing native CE.NET (ARM) applications? I know that FPC has compiler (no debugger yet) but it is in a very early stage. FPC doesn't target .NET in any form, including CF/CE, only arm-native. Back to top oro06@sf.net Guest Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:03 am    Post subject: Re: pascal based CE.NET RAD Marco van de Voort wrote: Quote: On 2006-03-25, Frenk <Frenk3 (AT) volja (DOT) net> wrote: Is there any pascal based RAD (or semi-rad) environment with debugging capabilities (or more simple than VC++ 4.0 Embedded) for developing native CE.NET (ARM) applications? I know that FPC has compiler (no debugger yet) but it is in a very early stage. FPC doesn't target .NET in any form, including CF/CE, only arm-native. ms has introduced some trouble regarding wince kernel : commercial name of windows ce kernel is 'wince .net' but this has nothing to do .net compact framwork also someone interested in native coding for wince can miss the excellent book of D.Boiling called : 'Programming Windows CE .Net' where the .net compact framwork is only discussed at the end from p1113 to 1147 (3%) Back to top Marco van de Voort Guest Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:03 pm    Post subject: Re: pascal based CE.NET RAD On 2006-03-27, oro06 (AT) sf (DOT) net <oro06 (AT) sf (DOT) net> wrote: Quote: ms has introduced some trouble regarding wince kernel : commercial name of windows ce kernel is 'wince .net' .... ah that explains a lot. Back to top Felipe Monteiro de Carval Guest Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:03 pm    Post subject: Re: pascal based CE.NET RAD Frenk wrote: Quote: Is there any pascal based RAD (or semi-rad) environment with debugging capabilities (or more simple than VC++ 4.0 Embedded) for developing native CE.NET (ARM) applications? I know that FPC has compiler (no debugger yet) but it is in a very early stage. Acctually debugging is working via ActiveSync using the GNU Debugger. There are instructions here: http://www.freepascal.org/wiki/index.php/WinCE_port#Debugging_WinCE_applications The missing thing is debugging via the RAD interface. By the way, the compiler support isn´t in early stages, it´s quite advanced acctually. What is in early stages is the RAD interface. Felipe Back to top Chee Wee Chua (Borland Su Guest Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 8:03 am    Post subject: Re: pascal based CE.NET RAD On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 01:17:13 +0100, "Frenk" <Frenk3 (AT) volja (DOT) net> wrote: Quote: Is there any pascal based RAD (or semi-rad) environment with debugging capabilities (or more simple than VC++ 4.0 Embedded) for developing native CE.NET (ARM) applications? I know that FPC has compiler (no debugger yet) Delphi 2005 with CF Preview, or Delphi 2006 can already compile to CE.NET. Back to top Marco van de Voort Guest Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:03 pm    Post subject: Re: pascal based CE.NET RAD On 2006-03-30, Chee Wee Chua (Borland Support) <cwchua (AT) borland (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 01:17:13 +0100, "Frenk" <Frenk3 (AT) volja (DOT) net> wrote: Is there any pascal based RAD (or semi-rad) environment with debugging capabilities (or more simple than VC++ 4.0 Embedded) for developing native CE.NET (ARM) applications? I know that FPC has compiler (no debugger yet) Delphi 2005 with CF Preview, or Delphi 2006 can already compile to CE.NET. Note the word _native_. Back to top Chee Wee Chua (Borland Su Guest Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: pascal based CE.NET RAD On 30 Mar 2006 05:18:28 -0700, Marco van de Voort <marcov (AT) stack (DOT) nl> wrote: Quote: Is there any pascal based RAD (or semi-rad) environment with debugging capabilities (or more simple than VC++ 4.0 Embedded) for developing native CE.NET (ARM) applications? I know that FPC has compiler (no debugger yet) Delphi 2005 with CF Preview, or Delphi 2006 can already compile to CE.NET. Note the word _native_. Noted that the original posting mentioned "native CE.NET (ARM) applications". So, it's CE.NET or CE (ARM)? If it's CE.NET, like I said, Delphi 2005/CF Preview, or D2006 can already do it. If it's CE (ARM), then you should just say CE (ARM), instead of CE.NET. If it's .NET, doesn't matter whether it's ARM or not. ---------------------------------------------------------- If you send unsolicited emails to me, do not expect immediate replies. Chee Wee, Chua Borland^H^H^H^H^H^H^HDevCo Software Corporation. http://blogs.borland.com/chewy Back to top Craig Stuntz [TeamB] Guest Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:03 pm    Post subject: Re: pascal based CE.NET RAD Marco van de Voort wrote: Quote: Apparantly the CE.NET name stems from the period that Microsoft slapped ".NET" on everything. I'm just glad they eventually realized that was a mistake. -- Craig Stuntz [TeamB] · Vertex Systems Corp. · Columbus, OH Delphi/InterBase Weblog : http://blogs.teamb.com/craigstuntz Want to help make Delphi and InterBase better? Use QC! http://qc.borland.com -- Vote for important issues Back to top Marco van de Voort Guest Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:03 pm    Post subject: Re: pascal based CE.NET RAD On 2006-03-30, Chee Wee Chua (Borland Support) <cwchua (AT) borland (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: On 30 Mar 2006 05:18:28 -0700, Marco van de Voort <marcov (AT) stack (DOT) nl wrote: Is there any pascal based RAD (or semi-rad) environment with debugging capabilities (or more simple than VC++ 4.0 Embedded) for developing native CE.NET (ARM) applications? I know that FPC has compiler (no debugger yet) Delphi 2005 with CF Preview, or Delphi 2006 can already compile to CE.NET. Note the word _native_. Noted that the original posting mentioned "native CE.NET (ARM) applications". :-) Like I did, you fell for the same trap as I did. See the other msgs in the thread. Apparantly the CE.NET name stems from the period that Microsoft slapped ".NET" on everything. Back to top David Clegg Guest Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:03 pm    Post subject: Re: pascal based CE.NET RAD Chee Wee Chua (Borland Support) wrote: Quote: So, it's CE.NET or CE (ARM)? If it's CE.NET, like I said, Delphi 2005/CF Preview, or D2006 can already do it. Not natively you can't :-) CE.NET is another stupidly confusing name used by Microsoft, which doesn't actually have anything to do with the .NET Framework (although the CF can run on CE.NET devices). http://msdn.microsoft.com/embedded/prevver/ce.net/prodovwce.net/default. aspx or http://tinyurl.com/amj3n <quote> # Powerful application development * Visual Studio .NET. When a consistent programming model and time-to-market are important, developers can write managed .NET-enabled applications for Windows CE .NET using the rich set of languages supported by Visual Studio. NET. * eMbedded Visual C++ 4.0. Developers can use eMbedded Visual C++ 4.0 for native code development to enhance performance and finely control customized applications for Windows CE .NET. </quote> So you can target Windows CE.NET natively or with .NET. Not confusing in the least, huh? :-) -- Cheers, David Clegg dclegg (AT) gmail (DOT) com http://cc.borland.com/Author.aspx?ID=72299 QualityCentral. The best way to bug Borland about bugs. http://qc.borland.com "Marge, your paintings look like the things they look like." - Homer Simpson. Back to top Marco van de Voort Guest Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:03 am    Post subject: Re: pascal based CE.NET RAD On 2006-03-30, Craig Stuntz [TeamB] <craig_stuntz (AT) nospam (DOT) please> wrote: Quote: Marco van de Voort wrote: Apparantly the CE.NET name stems from the period that Microsoft slapped ".NET" on everything. I'm just glad they eventually realized that was a mistake. Still, that doesn't fully revert the dilution of the brand. 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