BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Please read Mr. Kaster, Mr. Intersimone, TeamB members and t Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Max Guest Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:20 pm    Post subject: Please read Mr. Kaster, Mr. Intersimone, TeamB members and t http://www.simventions.com/gustavson/2005/06/customer-interest-needs-net-win32.html Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Please read Mr. Kaster, Mr. Intersimone, TeamB members a At 00:20:28, 21.06.2005, Max wrote: Quote: http://www.simventions.com/gustavson/2005/06/customer-interest-needs-net -win32.html Interesting read, but I don't quite agree with: << But, you know what, I don't have any customers out there chanting, "We want our .NET Apps!" Quote: Of course not. I doubt there will be many customers out there chanting: "We want our Win32 apps", either. IMO, .NET is a platform for developers, a technology, and not something a customer specifically asks for. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "When you do the common things in life in an uncommon way, you will command the attention of the world." - George Washington Carver (1864-1943) Back to top Kostya Guest Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Please read Mr. Kaster, Mr. Intersimone, TeamB members a Quote: .NET is a platform for developers, a technology, and not something a customer specifically asks for. And the developers were in desperate need for .NET to be developed, Especially VB guys. Kostya Back to top TObject Guest Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Please read Mr. Kaster, Mr. Intersimone, TeamB members a "Max" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote Quote: http://www.simventions.com/gustavson/2005/06/customer-interest-needs-net-win32.html Isn't that the guy who wrote a book on C++? Well, of-course he would be sentimental, we are all protective about our stuff. But times change, no good ever comes out from being stuck in the past. Back to top Nick Hodges [TeamB] Guest Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Please read Mr. Kaster, Mr. Intersimone, TeamB members a Max wrote: Quote: http://www.simventions.com/gustavson/2005/06/customer-interest-needs-n et-win32.html What, exactly, is the point you want "TeamB" to take from this? Quibbles: "Once again, developer's will have a tool for Win32 API development." Once again? Huh? Delphi has /always/ been able to do Win32 development. There's no "Once again". -- Nick Hodges -- TeamB Lemanix Corporation -- http://www.lemanix.com Read my Blog -- http://www.lemanix.com/nick Back to top Andre Kaufmann Guest Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 5:22 am    Post subject: Re: Please read Mr. Kaster, Mr. Intersimone, TeamB members a Kostya wrote: Quote: .NET is a platform for developers, a technology, and not something a customer specifically asks for. And the developers were in desperate need for .NET At least for interfacing objects in Dll´s. I´m getting tired of interfacing objects in a Dll in several languages. COM or interface generators are currently the only solution to support most of the languages without writing import headers for each language by hand. In ..NET it just works. Even for VB6 and other native languages (using automatically generated COM interface wrappers). I would like to see that all in native Win32 too, but that surely won´t happen. Quote: to be developed, Especially VB guys. Surely not all. Or some would say most of them. I spoke with a former colleague, who has switched from our Delphi centric development to a VB6 team and is evaluating VB.NET. He liked VB.NET much more than VB6, because it matches his OOP style much better than VB6 and he hopes that VB6 won´t be resurrected and continued in it´s current state, which doesn´t mean that VB6 couldn´t be extended with VB.NET features. The other solution surely would be to use Delphi for new projects *g*. Quote: Kostya Andre Back to top John Kaster (Borland) Guest Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:22 am    Post subject: Re: Please read Mr. Kaster, Mr. Intersimone, TeamB members a Max wrote: Quote: http://www.simventions.com/gustavson/2005/06/customer-interest-needs-n et-win32.html ok, I read it. Saw nothing new, and nothing that contradicts what Borland is doing. I see some questionable conclusions based on his opinions, but that's nothing new, either. Now I have to ask: So, what? -- John Kaster http://blogs.borland.com/johnk Features and bugs: http://qc.borland.com Get source: http://cc.borland.com If it's not here, it's not happening: http://ec.borland.com Back to top Ralf Mimoun Guest Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 7:35 am    Post subject: Re: Please read Mr. Kaster, Mr. Intersimone, TeamB members a Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote: Quote: At 00:20:28, 21.06.2005, Max wrote: http://www.simventions.com/gustavson/2005/06/customer-interest-needs-net -win32.html Interesting read, but I don't quite agree with: Me too :-) .... Quote: Of course not. I doubt there will be many customers out there chanting: "We want our Win32 apps", either. IMO, .NET is a platform for developers, a technology, and not something a customer specifically asks for. Hm, my customers are definitely asking for Win32 only development. Most of the time, they state very early that they don't want a .Net application. And you could write that stuff for .Net, no real problem. Ralf Back to top Ralf Mimoun Guest Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 7:38 am    Post subject: Re: Please read Mr. Kaster, Mr. Intersimone, TeamB members a John, .... Quote: ok, I read it. Saw nothing new, and nothing that contradicts what Borland is doing. I see some questionable conclusions based on his opinions, but that's nothing new, either. Now I have to ask: So, what? You wasted your time reading old arguments and opinions again. Like all of us. It's great to be part of a community, eh? Ralf No such thing as spare time No such thing as free time No such thing as down time All you got is life time Back to top Abdullah Kauchali Guest Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 7:52 am    Post subject: Re: Please read Mr. Kaster, Mr. Intersimone, TeamB members a Max wrote: Quote: http://www.simventions.com/gustavson/2005/06/customer-interest-needs-net-win32.html Yeah Mr Kaster, Mr Intersimone ... did you get that? ('Coz I sure as hell didn't!) <g> (Max, can you summarise what's the message for the poor folks at Borland?) Back to top Dave Nottage [TeamB] Guest Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 7:59 am    Post subject: Re: Please read Mr. Kaster, Mr. Intersimone, TeamB members a Ralf Mimoun wrote: Quote: You wasted your time reading old arguments and opinions again. So did I. So what's new? <g> -- Dave Nottage [TeamB] Back to top Ralf Mimoun Guest Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 8:33 am    Post subject: Re: Please read Mr. Kaster, Mr. Intersimone, TeamB members a Dave Nottage [TeamB] wrote: Quote: Ralf Mimoun wrote: You wasted your time reading old arguments and opinions again. So did I. So what's new? Your point :-) Ralf Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 9:59 am    Post subject: Re: Please read Mr. Kaster, Mr. Intersimone, TeamB members a At 00:36:38, 21.06.2005, Kostya wrote: Quote: .NET is a platform for developers, a technology, and not > something a customer specifically asks for. And the developers were in desperate need for .NET to be developed, Especially VB guys. I'm sure not all developers were. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "One word sums up probably the responsibility of any Governor, and that one word is 'to be prepared'." -- George W. Bush Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:00 am    Post subject: Re: Please read Mr. Kaster, Mr. Intersimone, TeamB members a At 09:52:30, 21.06.2005, Abdullah Kauchali wrote: Quote: Max wrote: http://www.simventions.com/gustavson/2005/06/customer-interest-needs-n et-win32.html Yeah Mr Kaster, Mr Intersimone ... did you get that? ('Coz I sure as hell didn't!) (Max, can you summarise what's the message for the poor folks at Borland?) And for me please. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love ." -- Woody Allen, From 'Annie Hall' 1977. Back to top Lurkio Guest Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:07 am    Post subject: Re: Please read Mr. Kaster, Mr. Intersimone, TeamB members a Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote: Quote: At 00:36:38, 21.06.2005, Kostya wrote: .NET is a platform for developers, a technology, and not > something a customer specifically asks for. And the developers were in desperate need for .NET to be developed, Especially VB guys. I'm sure not all developers were. 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