BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Please vote: ISAPI or CGI (or something else)? Goto page 1, 2  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Thirdparty Tools (General) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Danijel Tkalcec Guest Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 9:34 pm    Post subject: Please vote: ISAPI or CGI (or something else)? Please vote how important (0 - 10) is each of the abilities listed here, when you have to make a decision which tools or components to use to write and deploy your next Web Application? (if an option is unimportant to you, leave blank or vote with 0) a) ability to use Delphi to write stand-alone webserver executables b) ability to use Delphi to write CGI exes c) ability to use Delphi to write ISAPI dlls d) ability to call external PHP scripts from stand-alone webserver buit with Delphi e) ability to call external CGI scripts from stand-alone webserver built with Delphi f) ability to call external ISAPI scripts from stand-alone webserver built with Delphi e) something else? Thank you ) The background of my question is that RealThinClient components can currently be used only to write stand-alone applications (server and client), but don't natively support ISAPI or CGI. Since I can't do both at the same time, I'm asking for a little push in the right direction (your vote), to decide what I should do first. At the end, I will most likely implement all the options listed here, the question is only when? Best Regards, Danijel Tkalcec Back to top Charles Line Guest Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 8:01 am    Post subject: Re: Please vote: ISAPI or CGI (or something else)? "Danijel Tkalcec" Quote: Please vote how important (0 - 10) is each of the abilities listed here, a) ability to use Delphi to write stand-alone webserver executables 10 Quote: b) ability to use Delphi to write CGI exes 0 Quote: c) ability to use Delphi to write ISAPI dlls 10 Quote: d) ability to call external PHP scripts from stand-alone webserver buit with Delphi 8 Quote: e) ability to call external CGI scripts from stand-alone webserver built with Delphi 0 Quote: f) ability to call external ISAPI scripts from stand-alone webserver built with Delphi 10 Quote: e) something else? ASP, ColdFusion, Perl. Back to top Charles Line Guest Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 8:02 am    Post subject: Re: Please vote: ISAPI or CGI (or something else)? Quote: ASP, ColdFusion, Perl. ^^^ Yes, I know it's a CGI script and I said 0 for CGI scripts but, there you go. Back to top Lee Billows Guest Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 2:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Please vote: ISAPI or CGI (or something else)? C) -- AutoFlowchart---a excellent source code flowcharting tool to generate flowchart from source code http://www.ezprog.com [email]webmaster (AT) ezprog (DOT) com[/email] "Danijel Tkalcec" <dtkalcec (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> дÈëÏûÏ¢ÐÂÎÅ:4297924c$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Please vote how important (0 - 10) is each of the abilities listed here, when you have to make a decision which tools or components to use to write and deploy your next Web Application? (if an option is unimportant to you, leave blank or vote with 0) a) ability to use Delphi to write stand-alone webserver executables b) ability to use Delphi to write CGI exes c) ability to use Delphi to write ISAPI dlls d) ability to call external PHP scripts from stand-alone webserver buit with Delphi e) ability to call external CGI scripts from stand-alone webserver built with Delphi f) ability to call external ISAPI scripts from stand-alone webserver built with Delphi e) something else? Thank you ) The background of my question is that RealThinClient components can currently be used only to write stand-alone applications (server and client), but don't natively support ISAPI or CGI. Since I can't do both at the same time, I'm asking for a little push in the right direction (your vote), to decide what I should do first. At the end, I will most likely implement all the options listed here, the question is only when? Best Regards, Danijel Tkalcec Back to top Jay Boisseau Guest Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 12:57 am    Post subject: Re: Please vote: ISAPI or CGI (or something else)? In article <42987a32$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, [email]Del.Murray (AT) CreditHawk (DOT) Net[/email] says... Wouldn't it depend on what you're trying to do? ISAPI works great for what I do. Jay B. Back to top Walter Fordham Guest Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 2:59 am    Post subject: Re: Please vote: ISAPI or CGI (or something else)? Danijel Tkalcec wrote: Quote: a) ability to use Delphi to write stand-alone webserver executables 9 b) ability to use Delphi to write CGI exes 10 c) ability to use Delphi to write ISAPI dlls 10 d) ability to call external PHP scripts from stand-alone webserver buit with Delphi 5 e) ability to call external CGI scripts from stand-alone webserver built with Delphi 8 f) ability to call external ISAPI scripts from stand-alone webserver built with Delphi 9 e) something else? Back to top Danijel Tkalcec Guest Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 6:14 am    Post subject: Re: Please vote: ISAPI or CGI (or something else)? Thank you all for your votes. It looks like ISAPI won the battle against CGI. It's probably deserved, since CGI's have to load every time a new request comes in, while ISAPI DLLs stay in memory until the WebServer decides to unload it. Anyway ... if I had to choose between ISAPI and CGI, I would most likely go for ISAPI. Question: From what I know, ISAPI is a Microsoft-specific implementation, which leaves you no other choice than to use Microsoft's IIS. Is that correct? Best Regards, Danijel Tkalcec Back to top John Hair Guest Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 8:27 am    Post subject: Re: Please vote: ISAPI or CGI (or something else)? Hi Danijel, Quote: Thank you all for your votes. It looks like ISAPI won the battle against CGI. It's probably deserved, since CGI's have to load every time a new request comes in, while ISAPI DLLs stay in memory until the WebServer decides to unload it. Anyway ... if I had to choose between ISAPI and CGI, I would most likely go for ISAPI. Question: From what I know, ISAPI is a Microsoft-specific implementation, which leaves you no other choice than to use Microsoft's IIS. Is that correct? No, there are other web servers that support ISAPI. Apache has an ISAPI module, and Omni as well as a few others do as well. We are currently using wwwServer.exe for easier ISAPI debugging from Components 4 Developers: http://www.components4programmers.com/products/kbmwabd/download.htm. Its a bit slow and we sometimes get strange image errors that we don't get with Local IIS, but it is MUCH easier to work with. Could your product be used to build a tight, fast, thin web server that serves existing ISAPI dll's? Regards John Hair Back to top Danijel Tkalcec Guest Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 10:04 am    Post subject: Re: Please vote: ISAPI or CGI (or something else)? "John Hair" wrote: Quote: Could your product be used to build a tight, fast, thin web server that serves existing ISAPI dll's? Btw ... adding a DataProvider to the existing RTC WebServer to use ISAPI DLL's (the same way it now uses PHP5 API to execute PHP scripts) isn't really a problem, anyone who knows how to call ISAPI could implement this in a couple of hours. But before I do this, I'd like to be able to write ISAPI DLLs, not only to use them. So, I've just started implementing the ISAPI support for RTC. When I'm finished, the existing RTC WebServer (downloadable from www.realthinclient.com) will be capable of using external ISAPI DLLs. Also, RTC Core can then be used for writing one code that can be compiled as a stand-alone webserver (this is what it does now) and ISAPI DLL. This way, when using RTC components, you will have one implementation which can be easily debuged in Delphi by compiling it as a stand-alone webserver. And once it's working right, you can deploy it either as a stand-alone webserver or in form of an ISAPI DLL. If I don't encounter any unexpected problems with ISAPI, first ISAPI-compatible RTC omponents should be ready by the end of this week. Best Regards, Danijel Tkalcec Back to top John Hair Guest Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 11:59 am    Post subject: Re: Please vote: ISAPI or CGI (or something else)? Hi Danijel, Quote: When I'm finished, the existing RTC WebServer (downloadable from www.realthinclient.com) will be capable of using external ISAPI DLLs. Excellent, I will take a look when you have done that. Will the RTC WebServer remain free? If so I would like to be able to suggest to my alpha testers to use it to debug their ISAPI dll's. Regards John Hair Back to top John Hair Guest Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 12:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Please vote: ISAPI or CGI (or something else)? Quote: When I'm finished, the existing RTC WebServer (downloadable from www.realthinclient.com) will be capable of using external ISAPI DLLs. Excellent, I will take a look when you have done that. Will the RTC WebServer remain free? If so I would like to be able to suggest to my alpha testers to use it to debug their ISAPI dll's. Ideally it would be perfect if it can be run as a Host application for a Delphi ISAPI dll. Regards John Hair Back to top William Egge Guest Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 12:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Please vote: ISAPI or CGI (or something else)? You may be interested in this for debugging. http://www.eggcentric.com/ISAPIDebug.htm It uses any web server that supports ISAPI. Your web server handles the processing of the requests, not the app. For instance I had a web app that worked on Win 2000 but not on Win 2003, so I used our production web server in debugging and found that a certain function was returning a slash at the end of a path and the other was not. It was a change in the way IIS returned paths. This would not be noticed if the debugger host had its own built in web server. Get Trial (remove fours): [email]p4r4o4 (AT) 4eggcentric (DOT) com[/email] -Bill Back to top John Hair Guest Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 12:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Please vote: ISAPI or CGI (or something else)? Hi Bill, Quote: You may be interested in this for debugging. http://www.eggcentric.com/ISAPIDebug.htm I have already bought your excellent library for debugging and loading new ISAPI's, I couldn't do without it. :-) What I am after though is a free way of debugging ISAPI dll's locally, similiar to the excellent program by Kim Madsen that I mentioned in another branch. It works, but has a few quirks. It needs to be free so that I can suggest/recommend it to my customers and potential customers as part of the evaluation/development cycle. Local IIS works fine, but is fiddly to set up. Regards John Hair Back to top Danijel Tkalcec Guest Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 1:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Please vote: ISAPI or CGI (or something else)? It is highly unlikely that I will start selling the RTC WebServer as a product, since it is only a demonstration of what can be done using RTC components. So, to answer your question, it will stay free. The only thing I might do is add some information about where it came from (About). Best Regards, Danijel Tkalcec Back to top William Egge Guest Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 6:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Please vote: ISAPI or CGI (or something else)? Quote: I have already bought your excellent library for debugging and loading new ISAPI's, I couldn't do without it. Oh, your right! << It needs to be free so that I can suggest/recommend it to my customers and potential customers as part of the evaluation/development cycle. Quote: So you build an ISAPI app and then allow your customers to test it without having to run IIS? 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