BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Porting ISAPI/WebBroker application from D7 to D8?          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Internet Isapi-WebBroker View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message James A. McNeil Guest Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:16 am    Post subject: Porting ISAPI/WebBroker application from D7 to D8? Hi, I have several ISAPI applications written with D7 with Interbase back end using plain WebBroker. Is this app portable to D8? Are there issues to be aware of? Thanks. Back to top Marcelo Carvalho Guest Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 5:04 am    Post subject: Re: Porting ISAPI/WebBroker application from D7 to D8? Hi, Until now, all information I heard is that D8 does not include WebBroker. Of course we can have many reasons to request the presence of WebBroker in D8 (in the .Net version and ALSO in a coming Win32 version). Some of them: 1) WebBroker became a very basic and powerful tool, allowing not only developing web-page based applications (as ASP.NET or IW can do), but also allowing to develop many non-browser based applications using http on Web; 2) Many template based projects are easier to be maintained with Web Broker, as no visual development is needed, only the response dealing; 3) WebBroker is thin, fast and uses few resources from server. It's also easy to deploy; 4) Many of us need to be able to continue supporting and updating current projects already made with WebBroker. I read an interview from Corbin Dunn saying that it can be included in D8 if there's demand enough. So let's make they know that WE NEED WebBroker in the next Delphi versions! ;-) [][][][] Marcelo. "James A. McNeil" <none (AT) yahoo (DOT) ccom> escreveu na mensagem news:40284d3e$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Hi, I have several ISAPI applications written with D7 with Interbase back end using plain WebBroker. Is this app portable to D8? Are there issues to be aware of? Thanks. Back to top Bob Swart Guest Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:31 am    Post subject: Re: Porting ISAPI/WebBroker application from D7 to D8? Hi James, Quote: I have several ISAPI applications written with D7 with Interbase back end using plain WebBroker. Is this app portable to D8? Are there issues to be aware of? Yes actually... WebBroker is not available in Delphi 8 for .NET, so your application would not compile I'm afraid. The recommended way is to use ASP.NET Web Forms, or check out IntraWeb for .NET (which should be available for Delphi 8 for .NET shortly). Groetjes, Bob Swart (aka Dr.Bob - www.DrBob42.com) -- Bob Swart Training & Consultancy (eBob42) Borland Technology Partner webmaster UK-BUG / DDG Developers Group - IntraWeb Authorized Trainer Back to top James A. McNeil Guest Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 2:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Porting ISAPI/WebBroker application from D7 to D8? Hi Marcelo, I agree will all the points you've maid. I've been using WebBroker for years, and I developed some units that help me develop web apps with very little code - never found the need to use anything like IntraWeb, EWF or WebSnap. Thanks. "Marcelo Carvalho" <marceloc (AT) arquivo (DOT) com.br> wrote Quote: Hi, Until now, all information I heard is that D8 does not include WebBroker. Of course we can have many reasons to request the presence of WebBroker in D8 (in the .Net version and ALSO in a coming Win32 version). Some of them: 1) WebBroker became a very basic and powerful tool, allowing not only developing web-page based applications (as ASP.NET or IW can do), but also allowing to develop many non-browser based applications using http on Web; 2) Many template based projects are easier to be maintained with Web Broker, as no visual development is needed, only the response dealing; 3) WebBroker is thin, fast and uses few resources from server. It's also easy to deploy; 4) Many of us need to be able to continue supporting and updating current projects already made with WebBroker. I read an interview from Corbin Dunn saying that it can be included in D8 if there's demand enough. So let's make they know that WE NEED WebBroker in the next Delphi versions! ;-) [][][][] Marcelo. "James A. McNeil" <none (AT) yahoo (DOT) ccom> escreveu na mensagem news:40284d3e$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Hi, I have several ISAPI applications written with D7 with Interbase back end using plain WebBroker. Is this app portable to D8? Are there issues to be aware of? Thanks. Back to top Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu Guest Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 4:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Porting ISAPI/WebBroker application from D7 to D8? Bob Swart <b.swart (AT) chello (DOT) nl> wrote in news:402888CB.5252E8 (AT) chello (DOT) nl: Quote: The recommended way is to use ASP.NET Web Forms, or check out IntraWeb for .NET (which should be available for Delphi 8 for .NET shortly). IntraWeb includes WebBroker for D8 BTW. :) -- Chad Z. Hower (a.k.a. Kudzu) - http://www.hower.org/Kudzu/ "Programming is an art form that fights back" Web Development causing you headaches? Find relief at http://www.atozed.com/ ELKNews - Get your free copy at http://www.atozedsoftware.com Back to top Nils Boedeker Guest Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 10:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Porting ISAPI/WebBroker application from D7 to D8? Hi I agree. That there is no Webbroker in D8 is very bad. It is for us absolut neccecary that Webbroker will support in D8. What else can we do with all the applications we build based on Webbroker? with best regards from germany Nils Bödeker -- *--------------------------------------------------------* Quote: Nils Boedeker VERLAG EUGEN ULMER | Bürgerwohlsweg 7 Datenbanken und IT-Entwicklung | D-28215 Bremen -------------------------------------| Germany Tel/Fax: +49 (0) 421 3795-020/-021 | Mobilfunk: +49 (0) 172 7468066 | --------------------------------------------------------| eMail:nboedeker (AT) ulmer (DOT) de | eMail:info (AT) nbsoft (DOT) de | --------------------------------------------------------| http://www.ulmer.de | http://www.nbsoft.de | --------------------------------------------------------| Available by Yahoo Messenger, yahoo ID: nilsboedeker | *--------------------------------------------------------* Back to top Bob Swart Guest Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 8:59 am    Post subject: Re: Porting ISAPI/WebBroker application from D7 to D8? Hi Chad, Quote: IntraWeb includes WebBroker for D8 BTW. I assume you mean IntraWeb for .NET (for Delphi 8 for .NET) which isn't available, yet - or is it? The WebBroker included in this edition is migrated by AToZedSoftware, I assume? Is still code still copyrighted by Borland? What's the deployment license on this? Do we have to purchase IntraWeb for .NET to be able to use WebBroker with Delphi 8 for .NET? (this would be necessary for people who only want to migrate existing WebBroker applications from Delphi 3 or higher to Delphi 8 for .NET). Just wondering - thanks for making the effort to include WebBroker! Groetjes, Bob Swart (aka Dr.Bob - www.DrBob42.com) -- Bob Swart Training & Consultancy (eBob42) Borland Technology Partner webmaster UK-BUG / DDG Developers Group - IntraWeb Authorized Trainer Back to top Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu Guest Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 6:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Porting ISAPI/WebBroker application from D7 to D8? Bob Swart <b.swart (AT) chello (DOT) nl> wrote in news:4029EF06.400661B2 (AT) chello (DOT) nl: Quote: I assume you mean IntraWeb for .NET (for Delphi 8 for .NET) which isn't Yes. Quote: available, yet - or is it? VERY soon though. Maybe next week... Quote: The WebBroker included in this edition is migrated by AToZedSoftware, I assume? Yes. And its only allowed to be shipped as part of IW. Quote: Is still code still copyrighted by Borland? Yes. Quote: What's the deployment license on this? To be shipped by us as part of IW only. Quote: Do we have to purchase IntraWeb for .NET to be able to use WebBroker with Delphi 8 for .NET? (this would be necessary for people who only Yes. Quote: want to migrate existing WebBroker applications from Delphi 3 or higher to Delphi 8 for .NET). Yes, it can be used by end users separately from the rest of IW if they so want. Quote: Just wondering - thanks for making the effort to include WebBroker! Your welcome - but it made our life easier since we use it. :) -- Chad Z. Hower (a.k.a. Kudzu) - http://www.hower.org/Kudzu/ "Programming is an art form that fights back" Build Web Applications just like normal Delphi applications with IntraWeb for Delphi 5, 6, 7, Kylix, C++ Builder 5, 6 and Java http://www.atozed.com/ ELKNews - Get your free copy at http://www.atozedsoftware.com Back to top James A. McNeil Guest Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 9:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Porting ISAPI/WebBroker application from D7 to D8? Nils, You have to have 2 Delphi installs: Version 7 for ISAPI apps (and God knows what else is no longer supported in D. And version 8 for all the stuff that is supported. I am seriously considering getting off the Delphi bandwagon altogether, and moving to VS.Net. Either way I'll end up rewriting most of my apps, might as well be working with a dev tool that will keep me employable. Tired of recruiters telling me they never heard of Delphi or Borland. J. Back to top Raoul du Plessis Guest Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 7:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Porting ISAPI/WebBroker application from D7 to D8? Personally I would very much like to see the WebBroker stuff ported to D8. We have a number of web apps written in a framework on top of WebBroker and as they have run happily for years I see no need to re-write them in ASP.NET. I looked at doing a port myself and it looks very do-able on top of the IHTTPHandlers etc Of course, there are other components missing like the xml transform stuff. This kind of thing has me really annoyed. Why implement a layer that abstracts away which DOM parser is being used etc etc and then just toss the whole thing in D8? As far as I can see large chunks of the VCL, particularly in the web and database areas have just vanished with D8. Raoul "Marcelo Carvalho" <marceloc (AT) arquivo (DOT) com.br> wrote Quote: Hi, Until now, all information I heard is that D8 does not include WebBroker. Of course we can have many reasons to request the presence of WebBroker in D8 (in the .Net version and ALSO in a coming Win32 version). Some of them: 1) WebBroker became a very basic and powerful tool, allowing not only developing web-page based applications (as ASP.NET or IW can do), but also allowing to develop many non-browser based applications using http on Web; 2) Many template based projects are easier to be maintained with Web Broker, as no visual development is needed, only the response dealing; 3) WebBroker is thin, fast and uses few resources from server. It's also easy to deploy; 4) Many of us need to be able to continue supporting and updating current projects already made with WebBroker. I read an interview from Corbin Dunn saying that it can be included in D8 if there's demand enough. So let's make they know that WE NEED WebBroker in the next Delphi versions! ;-) [][][][] Marcelo. "James A. McNeil" <none (AT) yahoo (DOT) ccom> escreveu na mensagem news:40284d3e$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Hi, I have several ISAPI applications written with D7 with Interbase back end using plain WebBroker. Is this app portable to D8? Are there issues to be aware of? Thanks. Back to top Marcelo Carvalho Guest Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 4:12 am    Post subject: Re: Porting ISAPI/WebBroker application from D7 to D8? In fact, comparing with other Delphi stuff, WebBroker is maybe one of the easiest to convert. The most basic functionality of CGI and ISAPI is not so difficult to do with console applications, despite the WebModules bring an easy way to deal with multi threaded applications. And things like TPageProducers can be done with some customized functions... But besides the extra work and large step back, all we want to port and continue applications in the new platforms... [][][][] Marcelo. Raoul du Plessis wrote: Quote: Personally I would very much like to see the WebBroker stuff ported to D8. We have a number of web apps written in a framework on top of WebBroker and as they have run happily for years I see no need to re-write them in ASP.NET. I looked at doing a port myself and it looks very do-able on top of the IHTTPHandlers etc Of course, there are other components missing like the xml transform stuff. This kind of thing has me really annoyed. Why implement a layer that abstracts away which DOM parser is being used etc etc and then just toss the whole thing in D8? As far as I can see large chunks of the VCL, particularly in the web and database areas have just vanished with D8. Raoul "Marcelo Carvalho" <marceloc (AT) arquivo (DOT) com.br> wrote in message news:4028586e (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Hi, Until now, all information I heard is that D8 does not include WebBroker. Of course we can have many reasons to request the presence of WebBroker in D8 (in the .Net version and ALSO in a coming Win32 version). Some of them: 1) WebBroker became a very basic and powerful tool, allowing not only developing web-page based applications (as ASP.NET or IW can do), but also allowing to develop many non-browser based applications using http on Web; 2) Many template based projects are easier to be maintained with Web Broker, as no visual development is needed, only the response dealing; 3) WebBroker is thin, fast and uses few resources from server. It's also easy to deploy; 4) Many of us need to be able to continue supporting and updating current projects already made with WebBroker. I read an interview from Corbin Dunn saying that it can be included in D8 if there's demand enough. So let's make they know that WE NEED WebBroker in the next Delphi versions! ;-) [][][][] Marcelo. "James A. McNeil" <none (AT) yahoo (DOT) ccom> escreveu na mensagem news:40284d3e$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Hi, I have several ISAPI applications written with D7 with Interbase back end using plain WebBroker. Is this app portable to D8? Are there issues to be aware of? Thanks. Back to top damian marquez Guest Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 12:33 am    Post subject: Re: Porting ISAPI/WebBroker application from D7 to D8? "Marcelo Carvalho" <marceloc (AT) arquivo (DOT) com.br> wrote Quote: I read an interview from Corbin Dunn saying that it can be included in D8 if there's demand enough. So let's make they know that WE NEED WebBroker in the next Delphi versions! I agree with you Marcelo, though I don't use D8 yet I want WB to be ported just in case I upgrade, and I want to support any good cause too :) Do you know if there's an entry in QC to vote for? That's what Borland people look at. 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