BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Pragnaan vs. eDoc Engine?          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Thirdparty Tools (General) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Keith G Hicks Guest Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:50 pm    Post subject: Pragnaan vs. eDoc Engine? Can anyone give me some feedback on which would be best to go with for use with FR3? Pragnaan (which I just recently found out about) is a lot cheaper but if it's not as good as eDoc Engine seems to be (from what I've heard it's excellent) then it's not worth the savings. Just wondering what you all have to say about it. Thanks, Keith Back to top Peter Morris [Droopy eyes Guest Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Pragnaan vs. eDoc Engine? Pragnaan in my experience was very good indeed! Back to top Shane Stump Guest Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:12 am    Post subject: Re: Pragnaan vs. eDoc Engine? Keith G Hicks wrote: Quote: Can anyone give me some feedback on which would be best to go with for use with FR3? Pragnaan (which I just recently found out about) is a lot cheaper but if it's not as good as eDoc Engine seems to be (from what I've heard it's excellent) then it's not worth the savings. Just wondering what you all have to say about it. Thanks, Keith I have both and use eDocEngine. Much better technical support if you ever need it. If $$$ is a question, contact gnostice directly and they may make a deal with you as they have several ##% off sales a year. Best Regards, Shane Back to top Girish Patil (Gnostice) Guest Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:30 am    Post subject: Re: Pragnaan vs. eDoc Engine? "Rob Roberts" <robrRemoveThis (AT) AndThisToo (DOT) pcisys.net> wrote in message news:44918142 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: I was dealing with your tech support people via email on the eDocEngine exporting problems, not on the Ace Reporter newsgroups, although there were similar messages regarding the same problem on the newsgroups. For an example of this, see the thread entitled "Gnostice eDoc problems" dated 9/18/2004 on the Ace Reporter sct.ace.support newsgroup. A different user (not me) reported the same problem. Steve T. of Ace Reporter suggested that the user post the message on the sct.ace.exporting newsgroup because it was more likely that Gnostice tech support would see it there. Here is a quote from that user in response to the suggestion: "Gnostice is very much aware of this problem. In fact they have stopped responding to problem reports that involve these matters." We have normally checked if things were possible, replied on our findings and then work on it, if it was something in our hands, else we have said it was not possible. Although, I will say that there may have been a period when support was not the way I would have liked/like it to be. And I have to admit, I have not monitored the Ace groups as I have this forum. Quote: At the time I was dealing with your tech support department on this issue, I emailed them sample files that demonstrated the problem. A couple of bug fixes were made that helped, but the problem was never (as far as I know) completely fixed. I don't know whether the problem is still present in the most recent version of eDocEngine. I'm still have version 1.1, which I modified myself to work with Delphi 2005 and 2006. I never upgraded because Please send your report files so we can check them out through v2.x and send you the results. Quote: I thought your upgrade price was too high, and I wasn't satisfied with the quality of the product or the tech support. Just my opinion. Others may feel differently... In the initial period, I think it was about 1/4th the price of a new license and we did a lot of work in 2.x (well, won't vendors tell you that anyway . We have been releasing FREE updates with enhancements since and there's going to be a FREE update later this month. And we are continuing to work on it - our press release of Feb 24 tells you what we are committing to. So you might want to consider all this when you look at the price. -- Girish Patil Gnostice Information Technologies www.gnostice.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Gnostice eDocEngine (http://www.gnostice.com/edoc_engineoverview.asp) Electronic document creation, Report Export, PDF eForms creation... Gnostice PDFtoolkit (http://www.gnostice.com/pdftoolkitoverview.asp) View, Print, Convert, Modify, Enhance PDF docs, process PDF eForms... --------------------------------------------------------------------- Back to top Girish Patil (Gnostice) Guest Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:32 am    Post subject: Re: Pragnaan vs. eDoc Engine? "Keith G Hicks" <krh (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message news:4491bbb4$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: I can get similar results from FR3. I know your PDF outputs are nicer than the ones directly from FR3 but if the Excel outputs are not cleaner then I'm not sure about going from what FR3 can do to using eDocEngine. Any input from you on this would be appreciated. FR returns band shading and explicitly placed shape items as shapes (to the exporting sub system) - that's the way it was in v2.x; *I* haven't completely looked at it in v3, but the symptoms suggest that it should be the same. So there's no way to know which is a shape item and which is a shading and so we don't know when to turn it off and on. Anyway, you can try by turning off shapes through the ItemsToRender property. You can email support with your FR report files and we can check them up. -- Girish Patil Gnostice Information Technologies www.gnostice.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Gnostice eDocEngine (http://www.gnostice.com/edoc_engineoverview.asp) Electronic document creation, Report Export, PDF eForms creation... Gnostice PDFtoolkit (http://www.gnostice.com/pdftoolkitoverview.asp) View, Print, Convert, Modify, Enhance PDF docs, process PDF eForms... --------------------------------------------------------------------- Back to top Shane Stump Guest Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:12 am    Post subject: Re: Pragnaan vs. eDoc Engine? Keith G Hicks wrote: Quote: Thank you Girish. We've been looking over the features of the 3 editions trying to figure some things out. We will probably contact you directly to find out some details that are not clear to us. I have a feeling that at least the 2 higher editions might be very much overkill for us right now. But I first have one major question. I tested your product about a year ago, well before we were ready to start using it. But we're much closer now to needing some nice report output features. I recently tested (using the newest trial version) some excel outputs of highly fomratted reports (lots of boxes and lines). The lines on the excel output are all over the place. In some cases crossing over text in cells. This was a huge disappointment as I can get similar results from FR3. I know your PDF outputs are nicer than the ones directly from FR3 but if the Excel outputs are not cleaner then I'm not sure about going from what FR3 can do to using eDocEngine. Any input from you on this would be appreciated. Thanks, Keith "Girish Patil (Gnostice)" <girish (AT) gnostice (DOT) com> wrote in message news:4491331d$2 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Hi Keith, Just for your information, there are 3 editions of eDocEngine, starting from $129: http://www.gnostice.com/edocfeatures.asp#DetailedFeaturesbyEdition http://www.gnostice.com/edocbuynow.asp Keith, IMHO, you should use SMExport to export data to a spreadsheet or use an Excel Report Writer for such. The reason I say that is trying to convert a coordinate based format like EMF to XLS isn't very accurate from any tool I have seen. The problem is EXCEL is cell based and PDFs are page oriented like reports. Hope this makes sense. Best regards, Shane Back to top Keith G Hicks Guest Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Pragnaan vs. eDoc Engine? OK. I understand now. Do you folks have a user newsgroup(s)? If so, what is it? Keith Back to top Keith G Hicks Guest Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Pragnaan vs. eDoc Engine? I moved this question to a separate post in this same newsgroup. Keith "Keith G Hicks" <krh (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message news:4494081c$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... OK. I understand now. Do you folks have a user newsgroup(s)? If so, what is it? 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