BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  problems with mtbcc32 using bcc32pch Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message daver Guest Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:41 pm    Post subject: problems with mtbcc32 using bcc32pch I am trying this combo but I keep getting "Incorrect command line option: -compilerprogram" My bcc32 replacement option is mtbcc32 -threads3 I downloaded the most recent versions today. Dave Back to top Jonathan Benedicto Guest Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:55 pm    Post subject: Re: problems with mtbcc32 using bcc32pch daver wrote: Quote: "Incorrect command line option: -compilerprogram" Yeah, bcc32pch is trying to get mtbcc32 to use bcc32ide, I think. I'll sort this out right now. Thanks. Jonathan Back to top Andreas Hausladen Guest Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:04 pm    Post subject: Re: problems with mtbcc32 using bcc32pch Jonathan Benedicto wrote: Quote: Yeah, bcc32pch is trying to get mtbcc32 to use bcc32ide, I think. I'll sort this out right now. It works on with the copy of mtbcc32 that I have. -- Regards, Andreas Hausladen Back to top Jonathan Benedicto Guest Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 11:08 pm    Post subject: Re: problems with mtbcc32 using bcc32pch Andreas Hausladen wrote: Quote: It works on with the copy of mtbcc32 that I have. That must be the old version. I've sent you a special version for bcc32ide. Jonathan Back to top Jonathan Benedicto Guest Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:47 am    Post subject: Re: problems with mtbcc32 using bcc32pch daver wrote: Quote: "Incorrect command line option: -compilerprogram" Can you download Twine again, and instead of using mtbcc32, use mtbcc32ide.exe. This should fix it. http://www.jomitech.com/mtbcc32.shtml Jonathan Back to top Zach Saw Guest Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:47 am    Post subject: Re: problems with mtbcc32 using bcc32pch Quote: Can you download Twine again, and instead of using mtbcc32, use mtbcc32ide.exe. This should fix it. http://www.jomitech.com/mtbcc32.shtml Jonathan Hi Jonathan, I find mtbcc32 (2 threads) slower than the default bcc32PCH in every project I've tried. In fact, the fastest is without using bcc32PCH's replacement compiler (i.e. just the IDE compiler speed up fix), followed by bcc32pch with replacement compiler, and mtbcc32. This is using a HT machine. Is this trend expected? Thanks, Zach Back to top Andreas Hausladen Guest Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:43 am    Post subject: Re: problems with mtbcc32 using bcc32pch Zach Saw wrote: Quote: Is this trend expected? No. That bcc32pch has it's power in the precompiled header support. For a project that I compile (56 files) I get the following values: patched IDE (from bcc32pch): 12.36 compiler replacement: 11.99 bcc32pch with mtbcc32: 11.17 So the speed difference is not that visible. (compile-times are from second compile, the first is always slower because Windows's file cache must be filled) -- Regards, Andreas Hausladen Back to top Zach Saw Guest Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:55 am    Post subject: Re: problems with mtbcc32 using bcc32pch Quote: patched IDE (from bcc32pch): 12.36 compiler replacement: 11.99 bcc32pch with mtbcc32: 11.17 So the speed difference is not that visible. (compile-times are from second compile, the first is always slower because Windows's file cache must be filled) That's weird -- on this machine it's the exact opposite. What's the difference between the precompiled header support from bcc32pch and the original one from IDE? Thanks, Zach Back to top Zach Saw Guest Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:14 am    Post subject: Re: problems with mtbcc32 using bcc32pch Quote: What's the difference between the precompiled header support from bcc32pch and the original one from IDE? Ok forget the question <g> What I meant to ask was -- what's the difference between the replacement compiler and the IDE one? Besides the fact that one uses the dll and the other invokes the exe... Back to top Hendrik Schober Guest Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:43 am    Post subject: Re: problems with mtbcc32 using bcc32pch Jonathan Benedicto <incorrect (AT) no (DOT) server> wrote: Quote: daver wrote: "Incorrect command line option: -compilerprogram" Can you download Twine again, and instead of using mtbcc32, use mtbcc32ide.exe. This should fix it. http://www.jomitech.com/mtbcc32.shtml Try to load that page in firefox. (I use 1.0.7) Quote: Jonathan Schobi -- [email]SpamTrap (AT) gmx (DOT) de[/email] is never read I'm Schobi at suespammers dot org "If you put a large switch in some cave somewhere, with a sign on it saying 'End-of-the-World Switch. PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH', the paint wouldn't even have time to dry." Terry Pratchett Back to top Alan Bellingham Guest Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:49 am    Post subject: Re: problems with mtbcc32 using bcc32pch "Hendrik Schober" <SpamTrap (AT) gmx (DOT) de> wrote: Quote: http://www.jomitech.com/mtbcc32.shtml Try to load that page in firefox. (I use 1.0.7) Firefox 1.5 is also a bit broken on that page. It looks fine under Opera (latest), BTW. Alan Bellingham -- ACCU Conference 2006 - 19-22 April, Randolph Hotel, Oxford, UK Back to top Andreas Hausladen Guest Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:57 am    Post subject: Re: problems with mtbcc32 using bcc32pch Zach Saw wrote: Quote: What I meant to ask was -- what's the difference between the replacement compiler and the IDE one? Only the "Force Includes" option and some other options like "-automake, -autolib" but that are options you only need at command line. Quote: Besides the fact that one uses the dll and the other invokes the exe... The replacement compiler is a new process (has it's own 4 GB address space) but it also uses the dll. I played with buffered streams but they were only faster when run in a debugger. At commandline they were show stoppers. The next thing I'll try is to keep smaller header files in memory. -- Regards, Andreas Hausladen Back to top Zach Saw Guest Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:01 am    Post subject: Re: problems with mtbcc32 using bcc32pch Quote: The replacement compiler is a new process (has it's own 4 GB address space) but it also uses the dll. I played with buffered streams but they were only faster when run in a debugger. At commandline they were show stoppers. The next thing I'll try is to keep smaller header files in memory. Can I force it to use bcc32.exe instead? Thanks, Zach Back to top Andreas Hausladen Guest Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:29 am    Post subject: Re: problems with mtbcc32 using bcc32pch Zach Saw wrote: Quote: Can I force it to use bcc32.exe instead? The old bcc32pch used bcc32pch.exe+bcc32pchHook.dll+bcc32.exe. I do not see any speed improvement in using bcc32.exe. Actually bcc32ide.exe is a little bit faster than bcc32.exe if it does not communicate with the IDE plugin. BTW: I'll soon release the source code of the bcc32pch Plugin (but not for bcc32ide). -- Regards, Andreas Hausladen Back to top Jonathan Benedicto Guest Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:54 pm    Post subject: Re: problems with mtbcc32 using bcc32pch Zach Saw wrote: Quote: I find mtbcc32 (2 threads) slower than the default bcc32PCH in every project I've tried. In fact, the fastest is without using bcc32PCH's replacement compiler (i.e. just the IDE compiler speed up fix), followed by bcc32pch with replacement compiler, and mtbcc32. This is using a HT machine. Is this trend expected? No definitely not. Because you are on a HT, though this won't speed you up, I'd suggest using 3 threads. mtbcc32 has always shown to be faster even on HTs. What happens when you command line build using mtbcc32 ? 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