BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  RAD and WxW dead for CBX Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message I R T Guest Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 7:53 am    Post subject: RAD and WxW dead for CBX Here is confirmation of something that has been discussed in this group. WxWidgets is dead ( as far as Borland is concerned. And CBuiderX is not going to get RAD. Jean Marie Babet ( Borland ) said in the cbuilderX group: "However, the work with wxWindows - previewed with C++BuilderX - is currently on hold. Much has changed since C++BuilderX shipped and it seems that Desktop RAD is not where the product's currently focusing its resources." Back to top Pete Fraser Guest Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:00 am    Post subject: Re: RAD and WxW dead for CBX On Hold doesn't mean it's dead....yet. It just means that they aren't wasting time on it at present - which could explain why there seems to be a patch to fix linker bugs in the works according to another Borland post. That's got to be good for BCB (9). Also as there is a team working on C++ products, you could read between the lines and hope that they are working on BCB 9 to be integrated in with Delphi n or whatever. So let's just wait and see. Rgds Pete "I R T" <rambam (AT) bigpond (DOT) net.au> wrote Quote: Here is confirmation of something that has been discussed in this group. WxWidgets is dead ( as far as Borland is concerned. And CBuiderX is not going to get RAD. Jean Marie Babet ( Borland ) said in the cbuilderX group: "However, the work with wxWindows - previewed with C++BuilderX - is currently on hold. Much has changed since C++BuilderX shipped and it seems that Desktop RAD is not where the product's currently focusing its resources." Back to top I R T Guest Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:19 am    Post subject: Re: RAD and WxW dead for CBX "Pete Fraser" <pete._no_spam_fraser (AT) frasersoft (DOT) nospam.net> writes: Quote: On Hold doesn't mean it's dead....yet. Would you like to buy the Golden Gate bridge from me ? Back to top Russell Hind Guest Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:57 am    Post subject: Re: RAD and WxW dead for CBX I R T wrote: Quote: Jean Marie Babet ( Borland ) said in the cbuilderX group: "However, the work with wxWindows - previewed with C++BuilderX - is currently on hold. Much has changed since C++BuilderX shipped and it seems that Desktop RAD is not where the product's currently focusing its resources." I just read the same post. This is very disappointing IMHO. Not only is the wx support on hold, I can live with that, but I would prefer it to continue. It also sounds like that if Borland do produce any RAD C++ product for desktops, then it will be based on the BCB/Delphi IDE, not the CBX IDE. I still feel that the CBX IDE is a huge improvement for C++ development of the BCB IDE and if Borland do continue with VCL support for C++ (as the rumors suggest) I still think they should do it by incorporating the VCL designer in to the CBX IDE, rather than continuing with the BCB IDE. The BCB IDE just doesn't seem geared towards C++ development (understandable since it was developed for Delphi). C++ projects seem far more complex (I don't mean in terms of the coding they contain, but in terms of setup e.g. header files, include/lib paths, compiler options etc). CodeInsight was never as good for C++ as it was for delphi because the language is more complex. If they do decide to continue with the BCB IDE, I wonder how it will fair up (bugs aside, I assume they will all be gone). I'm currently evalutating VC++ 2003 and have the same code running under WinForms in VC++ and VCL in BCB and while there are things I don't like about the VC++ IDE, there are many things that it is supperior in to the BCB IDE. But I feel the VC++ IDE, as with the BCB IDE, is still inferior compare to the CBX IDE. It would be a shame to drop it completely. Thanks Russell Back to top theo Guest Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 9:34 am    Post subject: Re: RAD and WxW dead for CBX I R T schrieb: Quote: "Pete Fraser" <pete._no_spam_fraser (AT) frasersoft (DOT) nospam.net> writes: On Hold doesn't mean it's dead....yet. Would you like to buy the Golden Gate bridge from me ? I'm not interested in buying the Golden Gate bridge, thanks. But I would like to say that "on hold" doesn't mean it's dead, it's just resting. Back to top Duane Hebert Guest Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:04 am    Post subject: Re: RAD and WxW dead for CBX "Russell Hind" <no-one (AT) no-where (DOT) com> wrote Quote: It would be a shame to drop it completely. Especially for those of us with cross platform needs. For nearly a year, Borland has said that BCB was EOL'd and CBX was the new direction. Now it's the opposite? Personally, I agree that the CBX IDE has more potential but it's so slow and buggy that it's difficult to say for sure. I'm less concerned with that than a fully compliant compiler and a native C++ solution. MSVC is working well for us with QT. I no longer have any problems with Boost libs or STL stuff. Dinkumware seems much better than the STLPort/RW hack in BCB. I am not overly fond of the VC IDE but it's better than BCB (not better than CBX could be). I don't have to get dumped into any bloody Delphi code when I debug. QT has some proprietary stuff but it's done in an acceptable way and most of their stuff is straight C++. G++/QT seems to work just as well with Linux. From my POV if you do only GUI stuff and have no need for Boost or STL and don't get bothered by Delphiisms BCB may be a solution. But if not, then CBX was the only Borland option. Now it appears shelved. Of course this could all change <g> Back to top Dave Jewell Guest Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:38 am    Post subject: Re: RAD and WxW dead for CBX "theo" <nospam (AT) for (DOT) me> wrote Quote: I'm not interested in buying the Golden Gate bridge, thanks. But I would like to say that "on hold" doesn't mean it's dead, it's just resting. And it's been "resting" since at least October last year....probably longer. May it rest in peace..... Dave Back to top Valence Crearer Guest Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:48 am    Post subject: Re: RAD and WxW dead for CBX Russell Hind wrote: Quote: I just read the same post. This is very disappointing IMHO. Not only is the wx support on hold, I can live with that, but I would prefer it to continue. It also sounds like that if Borland do produce any RAD C++ product for desktops, then it will be based on the BCB/Delphi IDE, not the CBX IDE. Before the plug was placed in the mouths of Borlanders, I do believe they leaked(unofficially) that the BCB IDE would be used on the next BCB. It was stated in a way that seemed to indicate, though, that the IDE would have the functionality of BCBX, but in native code. As long as the IDE is native, not Java, I don't believe it will be refered to as the CBX IDE. I hope someone more official can at least correct errors in perception, but I doubt they can. Back to top Russell Hind Guest Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:59 am    Post subject: Re: RAD and WxW dead for CBX Valence Crearer wrote: Quote: Before the plug was placed in the mouths of Borlanders, I do believe they leaked(unofficially) that the BCB IDE would be used on the next BCB. It was stated in a way that seemed to indicate, though, that the IDE would have the functionality of BCBX, but in native code. As long as the IDE is native, not Java, I don't believe it will be refered to as the CBX IDE. While having the functionality of the CBX IDE would be a big step to persuading us to stick with BCB as opposed to VC++ for future products, I'm still unsure of how much resource Borland will be putting in to the C++ products, given the fairly well acknowledged, bug-ridden state of CBX 1.0 and the list of bugs in QC for BCB. The open letter last year promised much better support for bug fixing and such which hasn't happened for either products. Yes, BCB6 had four patches but still contains numerous bugs. And CBX 1.0 had one patch, but no-one seem to know what it does and it certainly hasn't addressed any of the numerous bugs in QC. So I am going to be wary of the quality of the C++ products from now on, especially given the u-turn since the last open letter, and to the amount of resource Borland will put in to the next product. I'm not saying VC++ is dramatically (or any) better for that matter, but they do 'appear' to have a definite commitment to improving the product over the coming years. So I shall be keeping an eye on the progress of both products (if Borland produce another) over the next year and I think current projects will be stuck in BCB 6. Thanks Russell Back to top I R T Guest Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:23 am    Post subject: Re: RAD and WxW dead for CBX theo <nospam (AT) for (DOT) me> writes: Quote: But I would like to say that "on hold" doesn't mean it's dead, it's just resting. Pining for the fjords ? Back to top I R T Guest Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:24 am    Post subject: Re: RAD and WxW dead for CBX "Dave Jewell" <Dave.Jewell (AT) btclick (DOT) com> writes: Quote: And it's been "resting" since at least October last year....probably longer. May it rest in peace..... Requiem In Pacem. RIP. Back to top I R T Guest Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:44 am    Post subject: Re: RAD and WxW dead for CBX "Duane Hebert" <spoo (AT) flarn2 (DOT) com> writes: Quote: For nearly a year, Borland has said that BCB was EOL'd and CBX was the new direction. Now it's the opposite? Much more likely that C++ has no future in Borland. Remember that there has still been no official announcement about BCB apart from the announcement that it has been EOLed. Back to top I R T Guest Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:45 am    Post subject: Re: RAD and WxW dead for CBX Valence Crearer <crearer (AT) oconee (DOT) sema.slb.com> writes: Quote: Before the plug was placed in the mouths of Borlanders, I do believe they leaked(unofficially) that the BCB IDE would be used on the next BCB. It was stated in a way that seemed to indicate, though, that the IDE would have the functionality of BCBX, but in native code. As long as the IDE is native, not Java, I don't Time to call the augurs and start reading entrails. Back to top OBones Guest Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 12:13 pm    Post subject: Re: RAD and WxW dead for CBX I R T wrote: Quote: Valence Crearer <crearer (AT) oconee (DOT) sema.slb.com> writes: Before the plug was placed in the mouths of Borlanders, I do believe they leaked(unofficially) that the BCB IDE would be used on the next BCB. It was stated in a way that seemed to indicate, though, that the IDE would have the functionality of BCBX, but in native code. As long as the IDE is native, not Java, I don't Time to call the augurs and start reading entrails. Would you volunteer to give the entrails ? <vbg> Back to top theo Guest Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 12:35 pm    Post subject: Re: RAD and WxW dead for CBX I R T schrieb: Quote: theo <nospam (AT) for (DOT) me> writes: But I would like to say that "on hold" doesn't mean it's dead, it's just resting. Pining for the fjords ? Not wxWidgets-support, but I think it's resting together with Kylix which is indeed pining for the fjords. 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