BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Re: Another example of Borland support?          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) Guest Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 8:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Another example of Borland support? Leroy Casterline wrote: Quote: "Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)" <rvelthuis (AT) gmx (DOT) de> wrote: Many Delphi users won't even know what this is about. I would think that many Delphi users would be interested in the way Borland is treating their BCB brothers. Yes, and that is why I didn't step in earlier. But discussions about the details should be posted to the appropriate group, since that is what it is for. People interested in the details can always subscribe to that group. Quote: I believe that if news of the abandonment of the VCL for C++ programmers had escaped to public light well before CBX was announced, we would have had a chance to change some minds within Borland and prevent this travesty. You don't know if the VCL will be abandoned for C++ programmers. And I will set followup now (I hadn't done that, hoping you would do that voluntarily), and I will not allow a continuation of the discussion of a problem foreign to this group. It has become off-topic here. Followup set to borland.public.cppbuilder.non-technical -- Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) "The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than the question of whether a submarine can swim." -- Edsger Dijkstra Back to top Alisdair Meredith (TeamB) Guest Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 10:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Another example of Borland support? Dennis Jones wrote: Quote: Okay, perhaps they did, but how many of us were actually at BorCon? And did they post that information somewhere on their website? No. So, why would they say something like that without committing to it? I can thing of two reasons: 1) The person who said it didn't know what he was talking about, and shouldn't have said it in the first place, or 2) to temporarily pasify the squeaky wheels, knowing full well there is no intention of releasing such a patch. Of course, there is the possibility that they could release a BCB6 patch, and that the annoucement was made with that possibility in mind, but I have my doubts. The person who said it was JP LeBlanc, head of the C++/Mobile business unit, so if he was not qualified to say it I don't know who is! I have to take what he said at face value, as if we start assuming the few statements Borland do publically make are lies, then we really have nothing left but rumour and inuendo. AlisdairM (TeamB) Back to top Dennis Jones Guest Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 11:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Another example of Borland support? "Jeff Overcash (TeamB)" <jeffovercash (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote Quote: They said at BorCon that there may be another patch for BCB6, but did not commit to anything. They have not been silent. They also haven't promised anything either. Okay, perhaps they did, but how many of us were actually at BorCon? And did they post that information somewhere on their website? No. So, why would they say something like that without committing to it? I can thing of two reasons: 1) The person who said it didn't know what he was talking about, and shouldn't have said it in the first place, or 2) to temporarily pasify the squeaky wheels, knowing full well there is no intention of releasing such a patch. Of course, there is the possibility that they _could_ release a BCB6 patch, and that the annoucement was made with that possibility in mind, but I have my doubts. Maybe I'm being a bit negative about Borland's intentions, but you have to admit, recent events haven't given us much reason to be positive and/or optimistic. - Dennis Back to top David Erbas-White Guest Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 12:07 am    Post subject: Re: Another example of Borland support? Alisdair Meredith (TeamB) wrote: Quote: Dennis Jones wrote: Okay, perhaps they did, but how many of us were actually at BorCon? And did they post that information somewhere on their website? No. So, why would they say something like that without committing to it? I can thing of two reasons: 1) The person who said it didn't know what he was talking about, and shouldn't have said it in the first place, or 2) to temporarily pasify the squeaky wheels, knowing full well there is no intention of releasing such a patch. Of course, there is the possibility that they could release a BCB6 patch, and that the annoucement was made with that possibility in mind, but I have my doubts. The person who said it was JP LeBlanc, head of the C++/Mobile business unit, so if he was not qualified to say it I don't know who is! I have to take what he said at face value, as if we start assuming the few statements Borland do publically make are lies, then we really have nothing left but rumour and inuendo. AlisdairM (TeamB) So, given that the statement was made to those at BorCon two months ago, and there have been no statements since then, and you state that he knew what he was talking about and was authorized to do so, then you're going with option 2? David Erbas-White Back to top neil Guest Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 1:40 am    Post subject: Re: Another example of Borland support? In article <3ff8aadd (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>, [email]derbas (AT) arachneering (DOT) com[/email] says... Quote: Alisdair Meredith (TeamB) wrote: Dennis Jones wrote: Okay, perhaps they did, but how many of us were actually at BorCon? And did they post that information somewhere on their website? No. So, why would they say something like that without committing to it? I can thing of two reasons: 1) The person who said it didn't know what he was talking about, and shouldn't have said it in the first place, or 2) to temporarily pasify the squeaky wheels, knowing full well there is no intention of releasing such a patch. Of course, there is the possibility that they could release a BCB6 patch, and that the annoucement was made with that possibility in mind, but I have my doubts. The person who said it was JP LeBlanc, head of the C++/Mobile business unit, so if he was not qualified to say it I don't know who is! I have to take what he said at face value, as if we start assuming the few statements Borland do publically make are lies, then we really have nothing left but rumour and inuendo. AlisdairM (TeamB) So, given that the statement was made to those at BorCon two months ago, and there have been no statements since then, and you state that he knew what he was talking about and was authorized to do so, then you're going with option 2? David Erbas-White David, you rock, dude. Just to let you know that there's at least one (and probably more) of us lurkers that have agreed with damn near all of your posts. Neil Back to top David Erbas-White Guest Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 1:50 am    Post subject: Re: Another example of Borland support? neil wrote: Quote: David, you rock, dude. Just to let you know that there's at least one (and probably more) of us lurkers that have agreed with damn near all of your posts. Neil Have you been missing the fun over in delphi.non-technical the past week or so??? David Erbas-White Back to top Dennis Jones Guest Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 2:54 am    Post subject: Re: Another example of Borland support? "David Erbas-White" <derbas (AT) arachneering (DOT) com> wrote Quote: neil wrote: David, you rock, dude. Just to let you know that there's at least one (and probably more) of us lurkers that have agreed with damn near all of your posts. Neil Have you been missing the fun over in delphi.non-technical the past week or so??? Are you kidding? No way! - Dennis Back to top Leroy Casterline Guest Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 6:04 am    Post subject: Re: Another example of Borland support? Not me<g>! David Erbas-White <derbas (AT) arachneering (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: neil wrote: David, you rock, dude. Just to let you know that there's at least one (and probably more) of us lurkers that have agreed with damn near all of your posts. Neil Have you been missing the fun over in delphi.non-technical the past week or so??? David Erbas-White Back to top Dave Jewell Guest Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 11:40 am    Post subject: Re: Another example of Borland support? "Alisdair Meredith (TeamB)" <alisdair.NO.SPAM.PLEASE.meredith (AT) uk (DOT) renaultf1.com> wrote Quote: The person who said it was JP LeBlanc, head of the C++/Mobile business unit, so if he was not qualified to say it I don't know who is! He *was* qualified to say it...... Dave Back to top Michael Brazee Guest Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 1:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Another example of Borland support? Alisdair, I just noticed TeamB after your name. Congratulations. You have been a positive addition to the newsgroups and I am sure you will be for Team B as well. Mike Back to top Alex Bakaev [TeamB] Guest Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 5:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Another example of Borland support? neil wrote: [snip] Quote: David, you rock, dude. Just to let you know that there's at least one Neil, you don't quote, dude. ..a Back to top Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) Guest Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 7:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Another example of Borland support? Michael Brazee wrote: Quote: Alisdair, I just noticed TeamB after your name. Congratulations. You have been a positive addition to the newsgroups and I am sure you will be for Team B as well. Yes, he is. <g> -- Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) "A coward is a hero with a wife, kids, and a mortgage." - Marvin Kitman. Back to top Marcelo R. Lopez, Jr. Guest Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2004 6:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Another example of Borland support? Congrats Alisdair....now I can bicker with you like I do Remy sometimes. See what you've gotten yourself into ? Congrats again, and good luck !. "Alisdair Meredith (TeamB)" <alisdair.NO.SPAM.PLEASE.meredith (AT) uk (DOT) renaultf1.com> wrote Quote: Dennis Jones wrote: Okay, perhaps they did, but how many of us were actually at BorCon? And did they post that information somewhere on their website? No. So, why would they say something like that without committing to it? I can thing of two reasons: 1) The person who said it didn't know what he was talking about, and shouldn't have said it in the first place, or 2) to temporarily pasify the squeaky wheels, knowing full well there is no intention of releasing such a patch. Of course, there is the possibility that they could release a BCB6 patch, and that the annoucement was made with that possibility in mind, but I have my doubts. The person who said it was JP LeBlanc, head of the C++/Mobile business unit, so if he was not qualified to say it I don't know who is! I have to take what he said at face value, as if we start assuming the few statements Borland do publically make are lies, then we really have nothing left but rumour and inuendo. AlisdairM (TeamB) Back to top Marcelo R. Lopez, Jr. Guest Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2004 6:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Another example of Borland support? Quote: So, given that the statement was made to those at BorCon two months ago, and there have been no statements since then, and you state that he knew what he was talking about and was authorized to do so, then you're going with option 2? David Erbas-White Well put ! 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