BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Re: Delphi 9 - Your Expectations Goto page 1, 2, 3 ... 11, 12, 13  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Max Guest Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 2:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 9 - Your Expectations - Type safe generics - Fast IDE (like Delphi6) - ... Back to top David Smith Guest Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 3:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 9 - Your Expectations Max wrote: Quote: - Type safe generics - Fast IDE (like Delphi6) Please try to understand that none of this is going to happen. Generics will in the NET2, so it won't make into D9. The IDE will the same as in D8, so it's never going be native Win32 anymore. It will be slower. But hopefully they have had many of the bugs fixed and added some much needed speed. David Back to top Max Guest Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 3:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 9 - Your Expectations Bad! Then I must focus on Delphi 10. (( "David Smith" <david (AT) nowhere (DOT) com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:41027e08$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Max wrote: - Type safe generics - Fast IDE (like Delphi6) Please try to understand that none of this is going to happen. Generics will in the NET2, so it won't make into D9. The IDE will the same as in D8, so it's never going be native Win32 anymore. It will be slower. But hopefully they have had many of the bugs fixed and added some much needed speed. David Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 4:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 9 - Your Expectations At 17:19:34, 24.07.2004, David Smith wrote: Quote: Max wrote: - Type safe generics - Fast IDE (like Delphi6) Please try to understand that none of this is going to happen. Generics will in the NET2, so it won't make into D9. The IDE will the same as in D8, so it's never going be native Win32 anymore. The D8 IDE is a mainly native Win32 app. And AFAIK, D9 will be both Win32 and .NET. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] "Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it." -- André Gide Back to top Alan Garny Guest Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 5:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 9 - Your Expectations "David Smith" <david (AT) nowhere (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Max wrote: - Type safe generics - Fast IDE (like Delphi6) Please try to understand that none of this is going to happen. Generics will in the NET2, so it won't make into D9. The IDE will the same as in D8, so it's never going be native Win32 anymore. It will be slower. But hopefully they have had many of the bugs fixed and added some much needed speed. That's the impression I got too regarding the IDE. If that's really the case, then it's going to be a huge turn off for me. I want my IDE to *fast*. Not to mention I wasn't too impressed with that of D8... then again, I haven't played with a lot, so maybe I should... My point on speed, though, remains... Alan. Back to top Martin Waldenburg Guest Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 6:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 9 - Your Expectations Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote: Quote: AFAIK, D9 will be both Win32 and .NET. we'll see. Martin Back to top Marcus F. Guest Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 7:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 9 - Your Expectations "Alan Garny" <someone (AT) somewhere (DOT) com> wrote Quote: "David Smith" <david (AT) nowhere (DOT) com> wrote in message Max wrote: - Type safe generics - Fast IDE (like Delphi6) Please try to understand that none of this is going to happen. Generics will in the NET2, so it won't make into D9. The IDE will the same as in D8, so it's never going be native Win32 anymore. It will be slower. But hopefully they have had many of the bugs fixed and added some much needed speed. That's the impression I got too regarding the IDE. If that's really the case, then it's going to be a huge turn off for me. I want my IDE to *fast*. Indeed. Whoever decided that slowing things down was an improvement needs to be shot. I don't care how elegant or structured something is under the hood. It's the developer's responsibility to make it work. I just care about the performance. If a million developers are going to use that IDE, a second lost each usage is a million seconds available for developing the IDE and if it needs to be rewritten a couple of times or if it takes longer to write or debug, so be it. I am especially sick of the developer tool developers cutting corners for their own convenience, or worse yet, jumping on the latest fad, because the effect compounds down the line and results in inferior products all over. Back to top David Smith Guest Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 7:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 9 - Your Expectations Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote: Quote: At 17:19:34, 24.07.2004, David Smith wrote: Max wrote: - Type safe generics - Fast IDE (like Delphi6) Please try to understand that none of this is going to happen. Generics will in the NET2, so it won't make into D9. The IDE will the same as in D8, so it's never going be native Win32 anymore. The D8 IDE is a mainly native Win32 app. Really? I thought that it was mostly written in some NET language. Well, at least the MS designer and some other parts are made with NET. Anyway, hopefully there's room for optimization and I believe that it will happen. David Back to top marc hoffman Guest Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 7:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 9 - Your Expectations Alan, Quote: That's the impression I got too regarding the IDE. If that's really the case, then it's going to be a huge turn off for me. I want my IDE to *fast*. Not to mention I wasn't too impressed with that of D8... then again, I haven't played with a lot, so maybe I should... My point on speed, though, remains... but at least you get pretty-colored gradients in the Component Palette - that must be worth something... <gd&r> Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 7:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 9 - Your Expectations At 21:17:36, 24.07.2004, David Smith wrote: Quote: The D8 IDE is a mainly native Win32 app. Really? I thought that it was mostly written in some NET language. Well, at least the MS designer and some other parts are made with NET. Yes, obviously the parts that must be .NET are .NET. <g> Quote: Anyway, hopefully there's room for optimization and I believe that it will happen. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] "Love is the answer - but while you're waiting for the answer sex raises some pretty good questions." -- Woody Allen Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 9:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 9 - Your Expectations Martin Waldenburg wrote: Quote: Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote: AFAIK, D9 will be both Win32 and .NET. we'll see. Indeed. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Back to top Herbert M Sauro Guest Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 11:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 9 - Your Expectations What's the point in writing the IDE in .NET, it's not going to be portable and all we get is a slower and worse IDE that D7. I think they should write it in Win32. Borland has done a great job at producing IDE for developers so let's not spoil it by going backwards. And while I'm at it, the help on D7 is definitely a step backwards. Herbert Sauro "Alan Garny" <someone (AT) somewhere (DOT) com> wrote Quote: "David Smith" <david (AT) nowhere (DOT) com> wrote in message news:41027e08$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Max wrote: - Type safe generics - Fast IDE (like Delphi6) Please try to understand that none of this is going to happen. Generics will in the NET2, so it won't make into D9. The IDE will the same as in D8, so it's never going be native Win32 anymore. It will be slower. But hopefully they have had many of the bugs fixed and added some much needed speed. That's the impression I got too regarding the IDE. If that's really the case, then it's going to be a huge turn off for me. I want my IDE to *fast*. Not to mention I wasn't too impressed with that of D8... then again, I haven't played with a lot, so maybe I should... My point on speed, though, remains... Alan. Back to top David Clegg Guest Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 11:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Delphi 9 - Your Expectations Alan Garny wrote: Quote: That's the impression I got too regarding the IDE. FWIW I find the D8 IDE to be more responsive than VS.NET 2003. -- Cheers, David Clegg dclegg_at_ebetonline_dot_com Vote 1 http://cc.borland.com/codecentral/ccweb.exe/listing?id=21489 Now supports Google Groups searching with Dyna-extend(tm) technology! Quality Central. The best way to bug Borland about bugs. http://qc.borland.com "Oh, yeah, what are you gonna do? Release the dogs? Or the bees? Or the dogs with bees in their mouth and when they bark, they shoot bees at you?" - Homer Simpson Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:12 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 9 - Your Expectations Herbert M Sauro wrote: Quote: What's the point in writing the IDE in .NET, it's not going to be portable and all we get is a slower and worse IDE that D7. I think they should write it in Win32. The C#Builder and D8 IDes are in Win32, mainly. I doubt they'll change that, if it is not necessary. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Back to top Oliver Townshend Guest Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:49 am    Post subject: Re: Delphi 9 - Your Expectations Quote: Borland has done a great job at producing IDE for developers so let's not spoil it by going backwards. And while I'm at it, the help on D7 is definitely a step backwards. Have you downloaded the fixed help files? 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