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Dave Nottage [TeamB]
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 12:00 am    Post subject: Re: Feedback Reply with quote



Henry wrote:

Quote:
http://blogs.msdn.com/cyrusn/archive/2005/08/13/451206.aspx

When will it be possible for developers to communicate with Borland
about a future product in this way?

It's already possible for developers to communicate with Borland about
a future versions of products:

http://qc.borland.com

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Bob Dawson
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 12:36 am    Post subject: Re: Feedback Reply with quote



"Henry" wrote
Quote:

When will it be possible for developers to communicate with Borland
about a future product in this way?

Has been for quite some time. See, for example
http://blogs.borland.com/abauer/
http://blogs.borland.com/stevet/
or
http://blogs.borland.com/dcc/

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Henry
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:25 am    Post subject: Re: Feedback Reply with quote



Bob Dawson wrote:
Quote:
When will it be possible for developers to communicate with Borland
about a future product in this way?

Has been for quite some time. See, for example
http://blogs.borland.com/abauer/
http://blogs.borland.com/stevet/
or
http://blogs.borland.com/dcc/

The blogs and QC are good, but nowhere near as good as being able to use a beta.

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Peter Morris [Droopy eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:10 am    Post subject: Re: Feedback Reply with quote

These guys are beta-testing pre-release software, and found something very
wrong with it. Borland has private field-tests, do you think that they
don't listen when peole tell them that something is critically wrong?


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JED
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:41 am    Post subject: Re: Feedback Reply with quote

Henry wrote:

Quote:
Bob Dawson wrote:
When will it be possible for developers to communicate with
Borland about a future product in this way?

Has been for quite some time. See, for example
http://blogs.borland.com/abauer/
http://blogs.borland.com/stevet/
or
http://blogs.borland.com/dcc/

The blogs and QC are good, but nowhere near as good as being able to
use a beta.

Perhaps you should ask to be a fieldtester then

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Robert Love
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 3:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Feedback Reply with quote

Henry wrote:

Quote:
http://blogs.msdn.com/cyrusn/archive/2005/08/13/451206.aspx

When will it be possible for developers to communicate with Borland
about a future product in this way?

blogs.borland.com, Allen, Danny and others talk and ask questions that
deal with future features.

qc.borland.com allows you submit feature requests.

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Robert Love
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Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Feedback Reply with quote

At 01:43:32, 15.08.2005, Henry wrote:

Quote:
http://blogs.msdn.com/cyrusn/archive/2005/08/13/451206.aspx

When will it be possible for developers to communicate with Borland
about a future product in this way?

Who says it is not possible? I'm sure that Borland will have beta testers
who do the same.
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Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://velthuis.homepage.t-online.de

"Fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds worth of distance run."
-- Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936)

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Tim Jarvis [Borland - Ser
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:35 am    Post subject: Re: Feedback Reply with quote

Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote:

Quote:
Who says it is not possible? I'm sure that Borland will have beta
testers who do the same.

Correct, we have. And they do.

Cheers Tim

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Henry
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 8:34 am    Post subject: Re: Feedback Reply with quote

Tim Jarvis [Borland - Services] wrote:
Quote:
Who says it is not possible? I'm sure that Borland will have beta
testers who do the same.

Correct, we have. And they do.

You get a lot more feedback from public betas though. CLX, Websnap, D2005; all
the "problematic" technologies introduced over the last few years might have
been caught early by a public beta.

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Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:26 am    Post subject: Re: Feedback Reply with quote

At 10:34:06, 16.08.2005, Henry wrote:

Quote:
Tim Jarvis [Borland - Services] wrote:
Who says it is not possible? I'm sure that Borland will have beta
testers who do the same.

Correct, we have. And they do.

You get a lot more feedback from public betas though.

A lot more feedback is not necessarily better information. And public
betas cost a lot more effort from Borland's side. Borland have done them,
for subsystems, BTW.
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"Mr. Wagner has beautiful moments but bad quarters of an hour."
- Gioacchino Rossini (1792-1868)

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JED
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Feedback Reply with quote

Henry wrote:

Quote:
You get a lot more feedback from public betas though.

How is the feedback coming in for the compact framework compiler?

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Tim Jarvis [Borland - Ser
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Feedback Reply with quote

JED wrote:

Quote:
Henry wrote:

You get a lot more feedback from public betas though.

How is the feedback coming in for the compact framework compiler?

Good question, I am not sure.

My suspicion would be that we are getting the bulf of the feedback by a
few regulars who would have been on a private beta anyway, but I have
no real basis for this theory and could well be mistaken.

John may be able to answer this more accurately, when he gets back from
his Asia ECO tour.

Cheers Tim.

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Brion L. Webster
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Feedback Reply with quote

JED wrote:

Quote:
Henry wrote:

You get a lot more feedback from public betas though.

How is the feedback coming in for the compact framework compiler?

Go visit the newsgroup borland.public.delphi.dotnetPreview. There are
exactly 71 posts in there at the moment. Sounds like tremendous community
feedback there for a public beta. No wonder Borland's doing everything it
can to do more of them.

-Brion

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Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Feedback Reply with quote

At 22:44:13, 17.08.2005, Brion L. Webster wrote:

Quote:
JED wrote:

Henry wrote:

You get a lot more feedback from public betas though.

How is the feedback coming in for the compact framework compiler?

Go visit the newsgroup borland.public.delphi.dotnetPreview. There are
exactly 71 posts in there at the moment. Sounds like tremendous
community feedback there for a public beta. No wonder Borland's doing
everything it can to do more of them.

-Brion

Hmmm... you should admit that this specific beta is about the .NET
Compact Framework, so I can imagine that it won't draw as much interest
as, say, a new version of Delphi would.

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Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://velthuis.homepage.t-online.de

"If the automobile had followed the same development cycle as the
computer, a Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles
per gallon, and explode once a year, killing everyone inside."
-- Robert X. Cringely.

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Brion L. Webster
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 9:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Feedback Reply with quote

Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote:

Quote:
Hmmm... you should admit that this specific beta is about the .NET
Compact Framework, so I can imagine that it won't draw as much interest
as, say, a new version of Delphi would.

None of the borland.public.delphi.netpreview groups broke 500 messages
(when the preview compiler shipped with Delphi 7).
borland.public.delphi.publicbeta.variants had a similar low count
(although I appear to have *just now* deleted my local cache of that
group!).

Borland's public beta experiences have not generated a much feedback in
the newsgroups provided for them.

-Brion

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