BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Re: From b.p.d.non-technical... Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Andy Walker Guest Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:27 pm    Post subject: Re: From b.p.d.non-technical... =?UTF-8?B?RGVqYW4gU3RhbmnEjQ==?= <DS (AT) nospam (DOT) net> wrote: Quote: http://bdn.borland.com/article/0,1410,33404,00.html LP, Dejan THEY HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING RIGHT? So let me get this straight, I have spent over £1000 (GBP) pre-ordering a PREVIEW copy of BCB? {throws hands up in the air!} CAN THIS GET ANY MORE RIDICULOUS? I give up!! Where Do I cancel my pre-order? Andy Walker EX BCB User Back to top Andy Walker Guest Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:40 pm    Post subject: Re: From b.p.d.non-technical... =?UTF-8?B?RGVqYW4gU3RhbmnEjQ==?= <DS (AT) nospam (DOT) net> wrote: Quote: http://bdn.borland.com/article/0,1410,33404,00.html LP, Dejan Interestingly, I got the Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Beta 3 PREVIEW copy for FREE through the post last week. Now thats what I call customer service, not this fiasco that Borland insits on putting its users through. Are they actually TRYING to lose customers? I'll wait for the "but at least they are waiting and getting it right" responses but I read the recent announcement as "we are going to release BCB in DeXtEr(!) but we have spotted some major flaws and it will take us a couple of weeks to put them right! In the meantime, we won't actually inform the people who have placed orders but we will put an announcement on our website somewhere. That way, they might not all cancel!" I'm desperately disappointed. Andy Back to top Des O'Toole Guest Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 3:32 pm    Post subject: Re: From b.p.d.non-technical... "Dejan Stanic" <DS (AT) nospam (DOT) net> wrote Quote: http://bdn.borland.com/article/0,1410,33404,00.html :-o That *ought* to be good news, they are waiting to get the BCB technology right, and letting everyone know about it. However, after the CBuilderX debacle (with technology previews etc) it is just very, very concerning. Des Back to top Andy Walker Guest Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 3:39 pm    Post subject: Re: From b.p.d.non-technical... Quote: I'm desperately disappointed. and i'm more excited than i've been since C++ Builder 1 I WAS tremendously excited which is why i'm was desperately disappointed! On reflection, I'm just mildly annoyed now! Afterall, it's nothing more than I've come to expect. :) Andy Back to top Mike Margerum Guest Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 3:42 pm    Post subject: Re: From b.p.d.non-technical... I appreicate the letter and the fact that they are taking their time with the C++ personailty to get it right. Is one month going to kill you? I'd be pissed if they were shelving it for the next release. Andy Walker wrote: Quote: =?UTF-8?B?RGVqYW4gU3RhbmnEjQ==?= <DS (AT) nospam (DOT) net> wrote: http://bdn.borland.com/article/0,1410,33404,00.html LP, Dejan THEY HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING RIGHT? So let me get this straight, I have spent over £1000 (GBP) pre-ordering a PREVIEW copy of BCB? {throws hands up in the air!} CAN THIS GET ANY MORE RIDICULOUS? I give up!! Where Do I cancel my pre-order? Andy Walker EX BCB User Back to top Mike Margerum Guest Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 3:49 pm    Post subject: Re: From b.p.d.non-technical... Andy Walker wrote: Quote: =?UTF-8?B?RGVqYW4gU3RhbmnEjQ==?= <DS (AT) nospam (DOT) net> wrote: http://bdn.borland.com/article/0,1410,33404,00.html LP, Dejan Interestingly, I got the Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Beta 3 PREVIEW copy for FREE through the post last week. You can download visual studio express 2005 for free. So what? That's not customer service. That a multi billion dollar company doing what it always has, subsidising it's development division. Go and google "visual studio 2005 bugs" and see what you get. Quote: I'll wait for the "but at least they are waiting and getting it right" responses but I read the recent announcement as "we are going to release BCB in DeXtEr(!) but we have spotted some major flaws and it will take us a couple of weeks to put them right! In the meantime, we won't actually inform the people who have placed orders but we will put an announcement on our website somewhere. That way, they might not all cancel!" Do you want to use the C++ personality with bugs in it? I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill here. Quote: I'm desperately disappointed. and i'm more excited than i've been since C++ Builder 1 Quote: Andy Back to top Sebastian Ledesma [Solidy Guest Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 3:50 pm    Post subject: Re: From b.p.d.non-technical... Hi: It's a very good news. It's transparent. The C++ personality that you should receive it's not at the same level that Delphi and others (and you know why: C++ it's a more complex language). We already discussed here the 'refactoring' in C++ vs 'refactoring' in the other personalitis. Also Together (a tool born for C++ users) it's currently only available in Delphi users. That's a fact. Borland it's just claiming, you will get your C++, but instead of calling 'FINAL VERSION' it's called 'preview technologie'. I think it's pretty fully usable, you can start working with it, and in a month or two you will get the 'release version'. Enjoy the live. We make software !!!. Saludos Sebastian "Andy Walker" <a@b.c> escribió en el mensaje news:437ca486$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: =?UTF-8?B?RGVqYW4gU3RhbmnEjQ==?= <DS (AT) nospam (DOT) net> wrote: http://bdn.borland.com/article/0,1410,33404,00.html LP, Dejan Interestingly, I got the Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Beta 3 PREVIEW copy for FREE through the post last week. Now thats what I call customer service, not this fiasco that Borland insits on putting its users through. Are they actually TRYING to lose customers? I'll wait for the "but at least they are waiting and getting it right" responses but I read the recent announcement as "we are going to release BCB in DeXtEr(!) but we have spotted some major flaws and it will take us a couple of weeks to put them right! In the meantime, we won't actually inform the people who have placed orders but we will put an announcement on our website somewhere. That way, they might not all cancel!" I'm desperately disappointed. Andy Back to top Brian Rasmusson Guest Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:12 pm    Post subject: Re: From b.p.d.non-technical... Quote: CAN THIS GET ANY MORE RIDICULOUS? I give up!! Where Do I cancel my pre-order? IMHO, you're the one being ridiculous. From the letter: "We will follow up the Technology Preview with a downloadable update (free to all BDS customers, of course) by the end of December that will update the C++ personality to full production status." So what if it takes another month? Best regards, Brian Rasmusson Bitberry Software Do you know if your web site has been hacked? Do you keep an eye on your competitors? No? You should. Your automated solution is here: http://www.deltaspy.com Back to top David Perkins Guest Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:22 pm    Post subject: Re: From b.p.d.non-technical... Quote: I'm desperately disappointed. I'm not. It was always unlikely that I would be using BCB2006 for production code immediately, mainly due to having to upgrade all my third-party components. A four week wait is no big deal. Speaking as someone who lived through the hell of Borland C++ v5 (back in 94/95) I'd rather Borland do another couple of months of QA on the C++ personality than ship a POC. Back to top Andy Walker Guest Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:22 pm    Post subject: Re: From b.p.d.non-technical... Quote: BC++ 5.0 is the only boxed product I've ever seen that had a flyer in it with instructions on downloading patch 1. .a They say history has a tendancy to repeat itself! So BCB 2005 will ship with the understanding that "a proper" version will be available to download at the end of December! So in fact, this is worse than the C++ 5.0 situation. We actually have a flyer telling us about the patch BEFORE the product even ships. :) Andy Back to top Andy Walker Guest Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:23 pm    Post subject: Re: From b.p.d.non-technical... "Andy Walker" <a@b.c> wrote: Quote: BC++ 5.0 is the only boxed product I've ever seen that had a flyer in it with instructions on downloading patch 1. .a They say history has a tendancy to repeat itself! So BCB 2005 will ship with the understanding that "a proper" version will be available to download at the end of December! So in fact, this is worse than the C++ 5.0 situation. We actually have a flyer telling us about the patch BEFORE the product even ships. :) Andy OOPS! "BCB 2006" was OBVIOUSLY what I meant to write. Back to top Zenon Guest Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:33 pm    Post subject: Re: From b.p.d.non-technical... "Andy Walker" <a@b.c> wrote Quote: THEY HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING RIGHT? So let me get this straight, I have spent over £1000 (GBP) pre-ordering a PREVIEW copy of BCB? {throws hands up in the air!} CAN THIS GET ANY MORE RIDICULOUS? I give up!! Where Do I cancel my pre-order? Andy Walker EX BCB User Hi, IMHO you are overreacting. I am pleased that finally Bolrand decided to saying something like that an open manner and nt trying to treat us with all that marketing FUD. I like to be informed especialy when I am spending few thousands. The promise to update C++ personality is good enough for me and I can't see any reason to cancel my order 1-2 months does not matter if we can get good and well performing product. Regards, Zenon Back to top Alex Bakaev [TeamB] Guest Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:52 pm    Post subject: Re: From b.p.d.non-technical... David Perkins wrote: Quote: Speaking as someone who lived through the hell of Borland C++ v5 (back in 94/95) I'd rather Borland do another couple of months of QA on the '95/96. It was released in early in '96. BC++ 5.0 is the only boxed product I've ever seen that had a flyer in it with instructions on downloading patch 1. ..a Back to top Alex Bakaev [TeamB] Guest Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:56 pm    Post subject: Re: From b.p.d.non-technical... Andy Walker wrote: Quote: THEY HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING RIGHT? They are doing the right thing and all of us should be thankfull for it. For the first time I can remember Borland is openly talking to the customers regarding its products. They are taking time to deliver a better product. Not that the 'preview' will be utterly broken and unusable. It's just not yet good enough. We all waited for how long since BCB6? Will another month make a difference there? ..a Back to top David Perkins Guest Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:04 pm    Post subject: Re: From b.p.d.non-technical... Quote: '95/96. It was released in early in '96. BC++ 5.0 is the only boxed product I've ever seen that had a flyer in it with instructions on downloading patch 1. My forehead still has the keyboard imprints from using that version. Having said that, I rather liked 5.02. 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