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Danny Thorpe
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 3:23 am    Post subject: Re: Is there any truth in this story? Reply with quote




"David Wilcox" <Nobody (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
I have just heard that Microsoft has made an offer to acquire
Borland/Inprise
Delphi. Is there any truth in this? Please enlighten me on this.


If there were any truth to it, anyone with sufficient knowledge would be
prohibited from speaking about it. So there's not really much point in
asking.

As one of the uninformed unwashed masses of Borland corporate culture, I'd
be happy to go on the record to say that's just another outrageous unfounded
rumor somebody dreamed up.

-Danny

p.s. Don't crosspost. Moved to borland.public.non-technical.



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Robert H Ruff
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 4:16 am    Post subject: Re: Is there any truth in this story? Reply with quote



The story's been a rumor since 12/2002 at least. Some say hiring Anders
/was/ the acquisition....


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Martin James
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 6:37 am    Post subject: Re: Is there any truth in this story? Reply with quote




"David Wilcox" <Nobody (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
I have just heard that Microsoft has made an offer to acquire
Borland/Inprise
Delphi. Is there any truth in this? Please enlighten me on this.

If I accept the runours, should I buy Borland stock, or Microsoft ?

Rgds,
Martin



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Saci
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 11:37 am    Post subject: Re: Is there any truth in this story? Reply with quote

Short both

Quote:
If I accept the runours, should I buy Borland stock, or Microsoft ?

Rgds,
Martin





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Dennis Landi
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 11:42 am    Post subject: Re: Is there any truth in this story? Reply with quote


"Martin James" <mjames_falcon (AT) dial (DOT) pipex.com> wrote

Quote:

"David Wilcox" <Nobody (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:3F4042ED.5098A01B (AT) hotmail (DOT) com...
I have just heard that Microsoft has made an offer to acquire
Borland/Inprise
Delphi. Is there any truth in this? Please enlighten me on this.

If I accept the runours, should I buy Borland stock, or Microsoft ?


If that's what you base your strategy on then Brooklyn Bridge stock might be
best. Give me a few minutes to print some up, and we'll talk.



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Rosimildo da Silva
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 12:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Is there any truth in this story? Reply with quote

Martin James wrote:

Quote:
"David Wilcox" <Nobody (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:3F4042ED.5098A01B (AT) hotmail (DOT) com...

I have just heard that Microsoft has made an offer to acquire
Borland/Inprise
Delphi. Is there any truth in this? Please enlighten me on this.


If I accept the runours, should I buy Borland stock, or Microsoft ?

None. If I had a more penny available, I would put in Satelite Radios
stocks. I wish I had put more at the begining of the year.

Rosimildo.


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pnichols
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 3:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Is there any truth in this story? Reply with quote

Martin James wrote:

Quote:

"David Wilcox" <Nobody (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:3F4042ED.5098A01B (AT) hotmail (DOT) com...
I have just heard that Microsoft has made an offer to acquire
Borland/Inprise
Delphi. Is there any truth in this? Please enlighten me on this.

If I accept the runours, should I buy Borland stock, or Microsoft ?

Rgds,
Martin

You can never be aware of what some business people will do, but my question
is why MS would want Borland? They are not exactly following the same
course.

Since MS has decided it doesn't want a Java market and judging from
Borland's recent purchase of top tier Java development tools (ie
OptimizeIt, TogetherSoft), not to mention its own JBuilder, it just does
not make logical sense. Why would MS want Borland, to get Delphi/BCB?

Neither Delphi nor BCB are a threat to MS at all. Since the whole world is
moving to Java or NET, it does not make sense, unless they want
TogetherSoft to become a NET UML modeling tool. That was the basis of the
rumors before, because MS was afraid that Rational (now owned by IBM),
would prevent MS form having a NET modeling tool. Fortunately or
unfortunately, IBM is going to accomodate MS.



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Dan Barclay
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 4:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Is there any truth in this story? Reply with quote

Move over Foxpro???

Microsoft has held a fairly large position for a long time. Some time ago
they set out to sell off a good portion of that, but I haven't kept up with
it.

So, while it's possible I don't think it's in the cards (at least I hope
not).

"David Wilcox" <Nobody (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
I have just heard that Microsoft has made an offer to acquire
Borland/Inprise
Delphi. Is there any truth in this? Please enlighten me on this.

Thanks.




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Harry Van Tassell
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 4:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Is there any truth in this story? Reply with quote

pnichols wrote:
Quote:

You can never be aware of what some business people will do, but my
question is why MS would want Borland?

I share your opinion that MS will buy Borland only when they can come down
to Scotts Valley on a gaggle of flying pigs.<g>

But if I were to speculate on what MS would find very attractive about
Borland, it would be a large group of functioning talented engineers. AFAICT
in their current drive to hire 5,000 new employees they are literally
scooping up as many of the best and brightest as they can get their hands on
and to the point that some pundits are bitching that MS is attempting to
monopolize the supply of talent.

--Hairy



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Craig Stuntz [TeamB]
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 4:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Is there any truth in this story? Reply with quote

Dan Barclay wrote:

Quote:
Microsoft has held a fairly large position for a long time.

Something like 20% in non-voting shares, acquired as part of a patent
issue settlement, IIRC.

-Craig

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Captain Jake
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 5:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Is there any truth in this story? Reply with quote

In borland.public.delphi.non-technical, Harry Van Tassell <hairy (AT) nada (DOT) com>
wrote in message <3f41028d (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com>...
Quote:
AFAICT
in their current drive to hire 5,000 new employees they are literally
scooping up as many of the best and brightest as they can

Do you have any references on this that I colud look at?


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Sierra Spartacus
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 5:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Is there any truth in this story? Reply with quote

"pnichols" <paul@ comp.net> wrote

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Since MS has decided it doesn't want a Java market and judging from
Borland's recent purchase of top tier Java development tools (ie
OptimizeIt, TogetherSoft), not to mention its own JBuilder, it just does
not make logical sense. Why would MS want Borland, to get Delphi/BCB?

If such rumo[u]rs were true, one possibility would be that they wanted to
kill JBuilder (as was their intention when they wanted to buy HomeSite).

--

Clay Shannon, author of "the Wacky Misadventures of Warble McGorkle"
Download it at http://tinyurl.com/cent



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Wayne Niddery [TeamB]
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 6:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Is there any truth in this story? Reply with quote

Craig Stuntz [TeamB] wrote:
Quote:

Something like 20% in non-voting shares, acquired as part of a patent
issue settlement, IIRC.

I recall they were separate - $100 million for the patent stuff and another
$25 million for non-voting shares. ISTM it was for less than a 10% share but
I'm not certain.

--
Wayne Niddery - Logic Fundamentals, Inc. (www.logicfundamentals.com)
RADBooks: http://www.logicfundamentals.com/RADBooks.html
"It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can
stand by itself." - Thomas Jefferson



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pnichols
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 7:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Is there any truth in this story? Reply with quote

Harry Van Tassell wrote:

Quote:
pnichols wrote:

You can never be aware of what some business people will do, but my
question is why MS would want Borland?

I share your opinion that MS will buy Borland only when they can come down
to Scotts Valley on a gaggle of flying pigs.
But if I were to speculate on what MS would find very attractive about
Borland, it would be a large group of functioning talented engineers.
AFAICT in their current drive to hire 5,000 new employees they are
literally scooping up as many of the best and brightest as they can get
their hands on and to the point that some pundits are bitching that MS is
attempting to monopolize the supply of talent.

--Hairy

Yes, that could be a possibility. But the talent pool out in the IT world is
pretty prevalent right now. So many programmers are without jobs right now,
finding talent is not the problem. Finding meaningful employment, however
is.

But I would agree that Borland has top talent in creating RAD tools.


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pnichols
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Is there any truth in this story? Reply with quote

Sierra Spartacus wrote:

Quote:
"pnichols" <paul@ comp.net> wrote in message
news:3f40eca7 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com...

Since MS has decided it doesn't want a Java market and judging from
Borland's recent purchase of top tier Java development tools (ie
OptimizeIt, TogetherSoft), not to mention its own JBuilder, it just does
not make logical sense. Why would MS want Borland, to get Delphi/BCB?

If such rumo[u]rs were true, one possibility would be that they wanted to
kill JBuilder (as was their intention when they wanted to buy HomeSite).

That is certainly possible, but that would not kill off Java.


JBuilder is the leading IDE, but even so, it has only approx. 18-20% of the
entire Java market,



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