BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Roadmap issue Goto page 1, 2  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Richard Grossman Guest Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 11:17 pm    Post subject: Roadmap issue The Delphi roadmap suggests that support for Net 2.0 will arrive sometimes after the "official" release by Microsoft of VS 2005 and DotNet 2. Issue: the current so-called "beta" of VS 2005 is not really a beta, it's a release 1.0. It's in very wide and open distribution, unlike a beta which is typically secret and limited to real testers, and the license was modified in April to allow "production deployment" of VS 2005/DotNet 2 applications. I suggest that Borland match this with a "beta" release of Delphi 2006 with DotNet 2 support. Borland could leave out all the "confidential" improvements and include only basic DotNet 2 support. VS 2005 is the first version of VS (imho) that will approach Delphi in functionality (ie, as I understand it, connecting components to data at designtime). -- "Darmok and Jalad, at Tenagra" Back to top Lauchlan M Guest Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 11:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Roadmap issue Quote: I suggest that Borland match this with a "beta" release of Delphi 2006 with DotNet 2 support. I'd rather they didn't. I think it would be better if they have the minimum possible new feature set to worry about, and get the QA right, rather than try to add more into this next release. Lauchlan M Back to top Bob Dawson Guest Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 11:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Roadmap issue "Lauchlan M" wrote Quote: get the QA right, rather than try to add more into this next release. I believe Borland has announced that priority in several ways. bobD Back to top Lauchlan M Guest Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:19 am    Post subject: Re: Roadmap issue Quote: get the QA right, rather than try to add more into this next release. I believe Borland has announced that priority in several ways. Including that they would not include the .net 2.0 release support in Dexter. In any case, what they have or haven't announced does not prevent me from having an opinion as to what I would prefer. :) Regards, Lauchlan M Back to top Richard Grossman Guest Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:54 am    Post subject: Re: Roadmap issue Lauchlan M wrote: Quote: I'd rather they didn't. I think it would be better if they have the minimum possible new feature set to worry about, and get the QA right, rather than try to add more into this next release. I understand your tactical analysis. Strategically, however, it would be better to look at VS 2005/DotNet 2 as a new OS release that is out there in the hundreds of thousands, and support it. Tactically, you are saying basically, "well Borland doesn't have the resources so they should focus on QA". I appreciate that judgement. It is still a strategic error IMO. Although DotNet has up to now only taken out about 20% of the Delphi community, I think VS 2005 has the potential to take out 50%. (Unless VS 2005 turns out to have be another "great concept product" with a bunch of gaping holes in comparison to Delphi, just like VS 2003 and DotNet 1). - Armchair Quarterback -- "Darmok and Jalad, at Tenagra" Back to top Max Guest Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:58 am    Post subject: Re: Roadmap issue Lauchlan M wrote: Quote: get the QA right, rather than try to add more into this next release. I believe Borland has announced that priority in several ways. Including that they would not include the .net 2.0 release support in Dexter. In any case, what they have or haven't announced does not prevent me from having an opinion as to what I would prefer. :) Regards, Lauchlan M Borland has just one or two persons working on the Delphi core. They have to cope with the BCB integration first ... Back to top Lauchlan M Guest Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 6:02 am    Post subject: Re: Roadmap issue Quote: Tactically, you are saying basically, "well Borland doesn't have the resources so they should focus on QA". I appreciate that judgement. It is still a strategic error IMO. Well, I think Borland plan to release .net 2 support in mid next year. So I guess the question is whether it means everyone will move across to VS.NET 2005 in the meanwhile rather than wait six months. I figure it's a problem built in to Borland providing .net support in the first place. MS are always going to be 6 months or more ahead of Borland, because Borland can't release their support for the next .net till MS sign off on their release of it. So, anyone who really needs to be on the cutting edge will already have VS.NET 2005 anyway. I figure a lot of Delphi developers, and particularly the ones who care about .net, will probably have access to VS.NET 2005 anyway, eg through MSDN Universal subscriptions or other programs. ie, most Delphi developers who care about .net will have both anyway. So ultimately I think it makes little difference, apart from underscoring that Borland are basically followers not leaders in the .net game. Quote: Although DotNet has up to now only taken out about 20% of the Delphi community, I think VS 2005 has the potential to take out 50%. Maybe. I'd be surprised to see it grow that fast, except maybe in ASP.NET. I'd expect something more in the order of 20 --> 30 or 35%. Time will tell . . . Lauchlan M Back to top John Kaster (Borland) Guest Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:56 am    Post subject: Re: Roadmap issue Max wrote: Quote: Borland has just one or two persons This sounds like a guess ... Quote: working on the Delphi core. .... and this is extremely vague. What exactly do you mean? -- John Kaster http://blogs.borland.com/johnk Features and bugs: http://qc.borland.com Get source: http://cc.borland.com If it's not here, it's not happening: http://ec.borland.com Back to top Henry Guest Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:34 am    Post subject: Re: Roadmap issue John Kaster (Borland) wrote: Quote: Borland has just one or two persons This sounds like a guess ... working on the Delphi core. ... and this is extremely vague. What exactly do you mean? The "delphi core" is something which has one or two people working on it. Back to top Yannis Guest Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:15 am    Post subject: Re: Roadmap issue Henry <none (AT) none (DOT) com> wrote in news:42e4b246$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com: Quote: John Kaster (Borland) wrote: Borland has just one or two persons This sounds like a guess ... working on the Delphi core. ... and this is extremely vague. What exactly do you mean? The "delphi core" is something which has one or two people working on it. I think the quastion was which is the "delphi core" compiler, RTL, VCL, DBAware components, Midleware frameworks some compination, or all of the above? My understanding is that there isn't any people working on specific part of delphi full time all developers are used as they are needed on areas of expertise more or less. regards Yannis. Back to top Lauchlan M Guest Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Roadmap issue Quote: The Delphi roadmap suggests Is that roadmap now published somewhere? I can't find a link from bdn.borland.com. Given verbally in 'the 24 hours of Delphi' You can download MP3's from the Borland website (BDN) HTH, Lauchlan M Back to top Rick Carter Guest Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 2:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Roadmap issue Quote: The Delphi roadmap suggests Is that roadmap now published somewhere? I can't find a link from bdn.borland.com. Rick Carter [email]carterrk (AT) despammed (DOT) com[/email] Chair, Delphi/Paradox SIG, Cincinnati PC Users Group --- posted by geoForum on http://delphi.newswhat.com Back to top John Kaster (Borland) Guest Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 4:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Roadmap issue Yannis wrote: Quote: I think the quastion was which is the "delphi core" compiler, RTL, VCL, DBAware components, Midleware frameworks some compination, or all of the above? Correct. Of course, don't forget the IDE. You cannot exclude the IDE from the "Delphi core" because the IDE has been the "core" of our products since Turbo Pascal was first released. In fact, I would say that it is the MOST "core" part of the product, since the IDE is what distinguished Turbo Pascal from other products at the time, not the existence of a compiler. -- John Kaster http://blogs.borland.com/johnk Features and bugs: http://qc.borland.com Get source: http://cc.borland.com If it's not here, it's not happening: http://ec.borland.com Back to top Mike Swaim Guest Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 5:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Roadmap issue Richard Grossman wrote: Quote: Issue: the current so-called "beta" of VS 2005 is not really a beta, it's a release 1.0. It's in very wide and open distribution, unlike a beta which is typically secret and limited to real testers, and the license was modified in April to allow "production deployment" of VS 2005/DotNet 2 applications. It's still beta. You can't redistribute the framework, and they're still making changes. I've seen code that'll compile in Beta 2 break in the July CTP a month later. -- Mike Swaim [email]swaim (AT) hal-pc (DOT) org[/email] at home | Quote: "Boingie"^4 Y,W & D MD Anderson Dept. of Biostatistics & Applied Mathematics [email]mpswaim (AT) mdanderson (DOT) org[/email] or [email]mswaim (AT) odin (DOT) mdacc.tmc.edu[/email] at work ICBM: 29.763N 95.363W|Disclaimer: Yeah, like I speak for MD Anderson. Back to top Lord Crc Guest Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 6:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Roadmap issue On 25 Jul 2005 09:56:15 -0700, "John Kaster (Borland)" <johnk (AT) borland (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: In fact, I would say that it is the MOST "core" part of the product, since the IDE is what distinguished Turbo Pascal from other products at the time, not the existence of a compiler. 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