BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  RTC remoting > Explained in 11 minutes Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Thirdparty Tools (General) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Danijel Tkalcec Guest Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:50 pm    Post subject: RTC remoting > Explained in 11 minutes Writing RTC remote functions, explained in 3 minutes: http://www.realthinclient.org/forum/?cmd=viewtopic&topic_id=9&section_id=11 Calling RTC remote functions, explained in 8 minutes: http://www.realthinclient.org/forum/?cmd=viewtopic&topic_id=10&section_id=11 For more visual RTC SDK lessons, visit: http://www.realthinclient.org/forum/?cmd=viewsection&section_id=11 For an informative FAQ about RTC SDK, visit: http://www.realthinclient.org/forum/?cmd=viewsection&section_id=1 Best Regards, Danijel Tkalcec, Team RTC http://www.realthinclient.org Back to top Danijel Tkalcec Guest Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 5:03 pm    Post subject: Re: RTC remoting > Explained in 11 minutes More Articles related to RTC remoting ... RTC Remote Functions - working with flexible structures: http://www.realthinclient.org/forum/?cmd=viewtopic&topic_id=24&section_id=1 <quote> You can form your structure as simple and as complex as you want. RTC uses highly flexible format, so that you can define virtually any structure you want, even call remote function which will call other remote functions to get parameters. You can store multiple values in each element by using newRecord, newArray or newDataSet. </quote> Transfering Stream Data using RTC Remote Functions: http://www.realthinclient.org/forum/?cmd=viewtopic&topic_id=33&section_id=1 <quote> You can send streams with remote functions (limited length, since all data has to be kept in memory while sending and receiving) by using newByteStream to create the in-memory Stream, then using asByteStream (this is a TMemoryStream) to read/write data from the stream. If you have components which write to a memory stream, you can pass “asByteSteam” as a parameter to those components methods/functions, so they can directly fill their content into the stream. On the other side, when the stream arrives, you can use “asByteStream” to access the data received. </quote> Creating DataSet Fields for RTC Remote Functions: http://www.realthinclient.org/forum/?cmd=viewtopic&topic_id=34&section_id=1 Using Sessions in RTC Remote Functions: http://www.realthinclient.org/forum/?cmd=viewtopic&topic_id=18&section_id=1 Best Regards, Danijel Tkalcec, Team RTC http://www.realthinclient.org Back to top Chris Guest Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 10:49 pm    Post subject: Re: RTC remoting > Explained in 11 minutes I have seen these components advertised here quiet a lot (and followed the often passionate discussions <g>) but never really thought I would need to use them. I then wrote a webservice using the default components in BCB and had all manner of problems, I had header conflicts with other third party components when adding the Borland webservice client component, so I had to write a DLL, then it failed a lot with obscure errors about handles being in the wrong state, and I was just about to give up and remove the new feature from my app when I happened to see one of Danijel's posts and it reminded me of the RTC SDK. I had a look out of desperation really and then tried the free version, and with a little bit of help I had totally replaced my web service with a RTC remote function and also got rid of my DLL. The remote function was also much faster then the webservice. I then (again with only a little bit of help), managed to convert the remote function into an ISAPI extension that now runs against Apache. I would never have managed all of the above (it only took a few hours spread over a couple of days) without Danijel's components or his assistance. I would also like to say that the support I received (both before I purchesed and after - even though I bought the cheapest option) was fast, comprehensive and polite. I have (this morning) written another ISAPI extension (again using the RTC SDK) and I had it finished in 30 minutes, truly amazing IMHO! Chris F Back to top Danijel Tkalcec Guest Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:13 am    Post subject: Re: RTC remoting > Explained in 11 minutes RTC SDK comes with a number of ready-to-run Demos/Examples. Here are only a few ... 1) RTC WebServer is a complete Web Server (capable of serving anything you put inside it's folder). It also includes a fully functional Messenger Server (runs with the RTC Messenger Client - available for free download) and has the possibility to execute server-side PHP scripts (PHP5 has to be installed and set up). You can download the RTC Web Server here: http://www.realthinclient.org/download.htm 2) RTC Web Forum is a complete HTML Forum written with RTC SDK. You just have to download it, unpack it, start the exe and point your Browser to Server's address ( http://localhost - if you run the Browser and the Server on the same PC). You can download the Forum from the "Licensed Users: Download Area", which is powered by the same Forum (we are using the RTC Forum to build our knowledge base and offer developer support): http://www.realthinclient.org/forum 3) RTC FileClient is a demo client which can be used against any HTTP Server (like the RTC WebServer or any other RTC Server) to download files of any size. You can download the FileClient here: http://www.realthinclient.org/download.htm 4) RTC Messenger Client is the client for the RTC Messenger (comes embeded in the RTC WebServer and as a separate Server), which uses RTC remote functions for communication. Messenger Client and Server are available for download here: http://www.realthinclient.org/download.htm You will see a few more demos on RTC Download page, but there are even more demos included in the RealThinClient SDK package (with full source code in Delphi). A number of Demos are also included in the Open Source GPL package, which can be downloaded here: http://www.realthinclient.org/order_sdk.htm If you need assistance testing the demos, feel free to contact me diretly at info (AT) realthinclient (DOT) org or post your question(s) to the RTC Forums (Pre-sales questions). Best Regards, Danijel Tkalcec, Team RTC http://www.realthinclient.org Back to top Danijel Tkalcec Guest Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:42 am    Post subject: Re: RTC remoting > Explained in 11 minutes Btw ... www.realthinclient.org is running on a RTC WebServer (not Apache or MS IIS). In other words, when you go to www.realthinclient.org , all the pages and images are sent to your Browser by the RTC Web Server, running as a Service on Windows. When you go to www.realthinclient.org/forum , your Browser is really communicating with an application written in Delphi, built using only the RealThinClient SDK. RealThinClient SDK components were extensively tested and are being used in a number of 24/7 scenarios World-wide. Check RTC SDK Test Results here: http://www.realthinclient.org/tests.htm Best Regards, Danijel Tkalcec, Team RTC http://www.realthinclient.org Back to top Donald Shimoda Guest Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:00 am    Post subject: Re: RTC remoting > Explained in 11 minutes Danijel Tkalcec wrote: Quote: Btw ... www.realthinclient.org is running on a RTC WebServer (not Apache or MS IIS). In other words, when you go to www.realthinclient.org , all the pages and images are sent to your Browser by the RTC Web Server, running as a Service on Windows. When you go to www.realthinclient.org/forum , your Browser is really communicating with an application written in Delphi, built using only the RealThinClient SDK. RealThinClient SDK components were extensively tested and are being used in a number of 24/7 scenarios World-wide. Check RTC SDK Test Results here: http://www.realthinclient.org/tests.htm Daniel, Great Stuff. How it compare with competence (bye xample with RemObjects/DataAbstract pair) ? TIA -- Donald. Back to top William Egge Guest Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:59 am    Post subject: Re: RTC remoting > Explained in 11 minutes Is what you created a web service? -Bill Back to top William Egge Guest Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:07 am    Post subject: Re: RTC remoting > Explained in 11 minutes Danijel, What did you use to create that animation thing? Back to top Chris Guest Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: RTC remoting > Explained in 11 minutes My initial code was a true web service yes, but it was extremely problematic and I couldn't find any info from Google, nor were my questions in the NGs answered. I initially replaced it with an RTC webserver to which I had added a remote function that did everything that my webservice did. However I was using an obscure port (16600) and really wanted to use port 80, but I have Apache running on that port. So I converted my remote function (which essentially meant dropping two RTC components on my data module) and then converted it to an ISAPI dll which now runs in Apache and again replaces the functionality of the initial webservice. As a last point, the ISAPI extension (and the remote function for that matter) return a rather complex data structure that I thought I might have problems with, in fact the implementation that Danijel has provided made returning the data an absolute breeze and I also don't have to worry about interfaces and GUIDs anymore. I know that Danijel is going to be releasing a webservice beta soon (well it says this on his forum) for those that still need a webservice with the WSDL bits. I am not an expert with threads so my initial implementation (where I used the webservice) used to give the appearance of my app hanging while it waited on the webservice, Danijel's components seamlessly (and pretty much transparently) add client side multi threading (if you want it) and as an added bonus my app no longer looks like it has frozen. I hope this helps Best regards Chris F "William Egge" <begge (AT) eggcentric (DOT) com> wrote in message news:449dede5$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Is what you created a web service? -Bill Back to top Danijel Tkalcec Guest Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:51 pm    Post subject: Re: RTC remoting > Explained in 11 minutes "Herbert Sitz" wrote: Quote: I understand it's different. What I'm curious about is the extent to which its functionality is similar to other products. The closest to a "comparison" I can offer is a short RTC SDK description: http://www.realthinclient.org/about_sdk.htm Quote: The question I'm wondering about most is what support RTC has for database backends. You use any components you want for database back-end. Since you can send/receive records, arrays, datasets and streams, there is no limitation about how you can pack your data up for sending. Quote: I understand that you could return a dataset from a server function in RTC. But that is pretty much just the bare minimum that I'd want for making a middleware server for business applications. The kbmMW and RO/DataAbstract frameworks have functionality that goes far beyond just returning datasets, for example automatic "resolving" of dataset changes on clients back to the db and much more. Does RTC have any of this advanced database functionality? Is it planned for RTC? Exactly what is planned? RTC SDK can be used with any ClientDataSet, which will handle all the "resolving" on the client-side and ... you can use RTC SDK for all communicating between your clients and your Server. Since you can send/receive any structure with RTC remote functions, you can use any components you want on the client-side *and* on the server-side. Since all the "advanced hard work" is handled by ClientDataSets and there are a number of good and freely available ClientDataSets out there (all of which can be used with the RTC SDK), I don't see what other "advanced features" an N-Tier database Server needs. But, I guess you are looking for something like RTC Database components ... <quote from my previous post> Generally speaking, RTC Database components will have a "ServerDatabase" component to work as a database provider talking to your Database, and ... a "ClientDatabase" component which will communicate with the server and work with client-side TDataSet components. To the most part, working with RTC Database components will be comparable to using other similar N-Tier products. Even though I can't go into more details before we have the first version out, there will be detailed explanations with demos and quick-start examples once components are released - in September. </quote> Best Regards, Danijel Tkalcec, Team RTC http://www.realthinclient.org Back to top Kevin Powick Guest Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:48 am    Post subject: Re: RTC remoting > Explained in 11 minutes Herbert Sitz wrote: Quote: The kbmMW and RO/DataAbstract frameworks have functionality that goes far beyond just returning datasets, for example automatic "resolving" of dataset changes on clients back to the db and much more. Does RTC have any of this advanced database functionality? I've used the RO SDK (RO) since beta 1.0. I haven't used the Data Abstract (DA) product, but I am pretty familiar with how it works. RO is a great product. No doubt there. However, I find it becoming more and more complex to fully understand and use correclty. DA is even more daunting. Personally, I like the simplicity of the RTC SDK, how it keeps you "close to the metal" of Delphi, and gives you lots of flexibility and power. RO/DA has the complexity of the service builder, schema modler, interface generation, RODL, etc. Updating an existing RO project can be a pain as well. I still like and use RO, but I find myself jumping to the RTC SDK more often these days. It seems like I can get the same things done, in less time, with less complexity. In the end, you probably can't go wrong with RO/DA, RTC, or kbmMW. It will most likely come down to project requirements and personal preference. -- Kevin Powick Back to top Jerry Hayes Guest Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:33 am    Post subject: Re: RTC remoting > Explained in 11 minutes Quote: I understand it's different. What I'm curious about is the extent to which its functionality is similar to other products. The question I'm wondering about most is what support RTC has for database backends. I understand that you could return a dataset from a server function in RTC. But that is pretty much just the bare minimum that I'd want for making a middleware server for business applications. The kbmMW and RO/DataAbstract frameworks have functionality that goes far beyond just returning datasets, for example automatic "resolving" of dataset changes on clients back to the db and much more. Does RTC have any of this advanced database functionality? Is it planned for RTC? Exactly what is planned? Herbert, They do have a roadmap on their main page. I'm looking to try it out on some simple things and then evaluate from there. Some of the things that are different to me are that it's a lighter weight framework. It doesn't create stub procedure and interface sections like RO. I don't *believe* the client even has to have any enforced knowledge of the server's procedures, but can call them by name, on the fly. Pseudo: NewProc("abc"); Param("123").AsDateTime:=... and then call it. The strictly enforced RO framework isn't there, but you can create functions that can evolve between versions; check for the presence of a passed variable, if it's not there, then react differently because you may be connecting to an older server. Pluses and minuses; for single developers or small teams the dynamic nature may be a plus; larger teams would certainly want the more formal structure. Based on Roadmap, it looks like it's evolving into a less structured RO, with more formal db connectivity to come and IntraWeb-like stuff coming as well. My take on their roadmap. Oh, and main functionality is non-blocking sockets, (but threaded handling), I think based on Piette's. HTH, Jerry Back to top Danijel Tkalcec Guest Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:19 am    Post subject: Re: RTC remoting > Explained in 11 minutes "Jerry Hayes" wrote: Quote: Oh, and main functionality is non-blocking sockets, (but threaded handling), I think based on Piette's. I don't want to completely erase the importance of Piette's work on ICS in my initial progress with the RTC SDK, but I do want to point out that RTC SDK is NOT based on Piette's ICS (not even the communication layer). RTC SDK uses connection components with connection providers, adding an abstraction layer between the application code (using connection components) and the low-level transport layer (connection provider). Even though I've started with the TWSocket class from Piette's ICS in November 2004 to implement the first TCP/IP connection provider for the RTC SDK, I've removed more than 50% of the original TWSocket code and modified the rest, so that now even the WinSock API calls and Windows messaging are being handled differently to allow a true thread safety in a multi-threaded environment (internal automatic thread-pooling). RTC SDK was designed as an event-driven framework to allow easy implementation of multi-threaded servers and clients, without having to worry about threads (leave it to the RTC SDK's thread-pooling mechanisms, which are activated by a single MultiThreaded "switch"). Don't get me wrong. ICS is a great freeware sockets library. But, it doesn't really compare to RTC SDK, nor was RTC SDK based on Piette's work. Or would you say that RemObjects was based on Indy if it used Indy as a TCP/IP transport? Best Regards, Danijel Tkalcec, Team RTC http://www.realthinclient.org Back to top Jerry Hayes Guest Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:31 am    Post subject: Re: RTC remoting > Explained in 11 minutes Quote: Don't get me wrong. ICS is a great freeware sockets library. But, it doesn't really compare to RTC SDK, nor was RTC SDK based on Piette's work. Or would you say that RemObjects was based on Indy if it used Indy as a TCP/IP transport? No offense, Danijel, *believe* me I know there's a huge amount of work there. That's what I get for adding an, "Oh, and I think.." to the end of a long post! Back to top Danijel Tkalcec Guest Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:58 am    Post subject: Re: RTC remoting > Explained in 11 minutes "Jerry Hayes" wrote: Quote: No offense, Danijel, *believe* me I know there's a huge amount of work there. That's what I get for adding an, "Oh, and I think.." to the end of a long post! Yeah. Sorry about that. I've gotten quite sensitive when it comes to "based on ICS/Piette" footnotes, since some people have tried to reduce my work to minor ICS modifications in the past and some have attacked me for "selling a product based on freeware components". For the sake of an argument ... RTC SDK 2.0 (currently in beta testing) is about 1.67 MB of pure Delphi source code (.pas files only), while WSocket_rtc and WSocketBuf_rtc units (modified versions of TWSocket and TWSockBuff classes from ICS) are about 108 KB. This means that, even if I had used the original ICS units without doing any changes, "ICS" would make less than 7% of total RTC SDK code. Since there is now less than 20% of the original ICS code in those units, it leaves us with something like "1% of RTC SDK based on Piette's ICS". I hope that explains my "rave" ) Best Regards, Danijel Tkalcec, Team RTC http://www.realthinclient.org Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Thirdparty Tools (General) All times are GMT Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next Page 1 of 3   Jump to: Select a forum C++ Builder Newsgroups----------------C++ BuilderC++ Builder (ActiveX)C++ Builder (Announcements)C++ Builder (Command Line Tools)C++ Builder DatabasesC++ Builder Databases (ADO)C++ Builder Databases (Desktop)C++ Builder Databases (InterBase Express)C++ Builder Databases (Multi-Tier)C++ Builder Databases (SQL Servers)C++ Builder (Graphics)C++ Builder (IDE)C++ Builder (Internet)C++ Builder (Internet Socket)C++ Builder (Internet Web)C++ Builder (Jobs)C++ Builder (Language)C++ Builder (Language C++)C++ Builder (Compatibility with MFC)C++ Builder (Native API)C++ Builder (Non-Technical)C++ Builder (Students)C++ Builder (Third Party Tools)C++ Builder (Upgrade)C++ Builder (VCL)C++ Builder (VCL Components Usage)C++ Builder (VCL Components Development)C++ Builder (VCL Usage)C++ Builder (WinAPI)C++ Builder Installation Delphi Newsgroups----------------Delphi (General)Delphi ActiveX Controls UsageDelphi ActiveX Controls DevelopmentDelphi As400Delphi DatabasesDelphi Databases (ADO)Delphi Databases (dbExpress)Delphi Databases (Desktop)Delphi Databases (InterBase Express)Delphi Databases (Multi-Tier)Delphi Databases (SQL Servers)Delphi DeploymentDelphi GraphicsDelphi IDEDelphi InternationalizationDelphi InternetDelphi Internet Isapi-WebBrokerDelphi Internet WebSnapDelphi Internet WinsockDelphi JobsDelphi Language BASMDelphi Language ObjectPascalDelphi Model Driven Architecture (General)Delphi Model Driven Architecture (Third Party)Delphi MultimediaDelphi Native APIDelphi Non-TechnicalDelphi ObjectPascalDelphi OLE AutomationDelphi OO designDelphi OpenToolsAPIDelphi Reporting-ChartingDelphi RTLDelphi StudentsDelphi TeamSourceDelphi Thirdparty ToolsDelphi Thirdparty Tools (General)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (IntraWeb)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (RaveReports)Delphi UpgradeDelphi VCLDelphi VCL ComponentsDelphi VCL Components UsingDelphi VCL Components WritingDelphi WebServices SOAPDelphi WinAPIDelphi XMLDelphi Installationcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.misccomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.usagecomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.writingcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.databasescomp.lang.pascal.delphi.misccomp.sources.delphi JBuilder Newsgroups----------------JBuilderJBuilder AnnouncementsJBuilder Applet IssuesJBuilder As400JBuilder CompilerJBuilder CORBA/RMIJBuilder DatabasesJBuilder DB SwingJBuilder DebuggerJBuilder DeploymentJBuilder DocumentationJBuilder EnterpriseJBuilder HandheldJBuilder IDEJBuilder JavaJBuilder JavaAPIJBuilder Java LanguageJBuilder Java SwingJBuilder Java BeansJBuilder Java Beans UsageJBuilder Java Beans DevelopmentJBuilder JBCLJBuilder JDataStoreJBuilder JobsJBuilder LinuxJBuilder MacintoshJBuilder & MobileSetJBuilder MultiLingual AppsJBuilder Non-TechnicalJBuilder OpenToolsJBuilder Servlets (JSP)JBuilder StudentsJBuilder Team DevelopmentJBuilder Thirdparty ToolsJBuilder UpgradeJBuilder Installation InterBase Newsgroups----------------InterBaseInterBase Bug DiscussionInterBase GeneralInterBase IBConsoleInterBase OpenSourceInterBase ReplicationInterBase SQLInterBase ThirdpartyInterBase Installation Miscellaneous Borland Newsgroups----------------AppCenterAppServerEnteraVisiBroker  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.