BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  SamplingProfiler 1.2 posted to attachments Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Language BASM View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Eric Grange Guest Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:31 pm    Post subject: SamplingProfiler 1.2 posted to attachments Version changes: - View/compare multiple profiling runs (results now tabbed). - Save and reload profiling runs results. - Support environment variables macros in paths. Didn't test saving/reloading profiling runs much though, I don't anticipate anything going horribly wrong, but who knows? :) There isn't much yet in the way of documenting exactly what was profiled and on which hardware for saved runs... may come later. Viewing saved run results shouldn't require any access to TD32/MAP/(Z)JDBG info, only profiling does require one of them (if you want detailed info). Eric Back to top Pierre le Riche Guest Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:51 pm    Post subject: Re: SamplingProfiler 1.2 posted to attachments Thanks Eric, I think it's a great utility. I use it to tune all my Fastcode entries . Regards, Pierre Back to top Nils Haeck Guest Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:16 pm    Post subject: Re: SamplingProfiler 1.2 posted to attachments Hello Eric, I also want to express my sincere thanks for this great profiler. It is very helpful to have such an utility, that is basically independent of my exe, yet still gives powerful insight in where the bottlenecks are. Since I accidentally spotted it 2 weeks ago, I'm using it almost daily. Nils "Eric Grange" <egrangeNO (AT) SPAMglscene (DOT) org> schreef in bericht news:4353d001 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Version changes: - View/compare multiple profiling runs (results now tabbed). - Save and reload profiling runs results. - Support environment variables macros in paths. Didn't test saving/reloading profiling runs much though, I don't anticipate anything going horribly wrong, but who knows? :) There isn't much yet in the way of documenting exactly what was profiled and on which hardware for saved runs... may come later. Viewing saved run results shouldn't require any access to TD32/MAP/(Z)JDBG info, only profiling does require one of them (if you want detailed info). Eric Back to top Jan Derk Guest Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:13 pm    Post subject: Re: SamplingProfiler 1.2 posted to attachments This profiler is indeed very powerful and user friendly. A rare combination. Many thanks from me too. Not sure if it is even possible, but how hard would it be to let it profile threads too? My most demanding code is performed in threads. And while the OutputDebugString method works fine to profile a single thread, it would be so nice if the main thread and other threads were profiled all at the same time. Jan Derk Back to top Jeremy Darling Guest Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:57 pm    Post subject: Re: SamplingProfiler 1.2 posted to attachments Haven't had a chance to take a look at it yet, but thanks anways Eric. If its 1/2 as good as usual then it will be twice as good as the rest :) Jeremy "Eric Grange" <egrangeNO (AT) SPAMglscene (DOT) org> wrote Quote: Version changes: - View/compare multiple profiling runs (results now tabbed). - Save and reload profiling runs results. - Support environment variables macros in paths. Didn't test saving/reloading profiling runs much though, I don't anticipate anything going horribly wrong, but who knows? :) There isn't much yet in the way of documenting exactly what was profiled and on which hardware for saved runs... may come later. Viewing saved run results shouldn't require any access to TD32/MAP/(Z)JDBG info, only profiling does require one of them (if you want detailed info). Eric Back to top Adem Guest Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 8:09 am    Post subject: Re: SamplingProfiler 1.2 posted to attachments Eric Grange wrote: Quote: - Support environment variables macros in paths. Works great. Thank you. Cheers, Adem Back to top Ain Valtin Guest Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 8:56 am    Post subject: Re: SamplingProfiler 1.2 posted to attachments On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:31:24 +0200, Eric Grange <egrangeNO (AT) SPAMglscene (DOT) org> wrote: Quote: - View/compare multiple profiling runs (results now tabbed). - Save and reload profiling runs results. - Support environment variables macros in paths. Thanks! Quote: There isn't much yet in the way of documenting exactly what was profiled and on which hardware for saved runs... may come later. Here is some more ideas in case you should have some free time <eg> - ability to use embedded JDBG info - silent mode. ie one can create shortcut to SP with two parameters, prg to profile and log filename. When launched via this shortcut SP only shows up in system tray and log file would be updated on each run allowing to gather profiling data over many runs. ain Back to top Eric Grange Guest Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:03 pm    Post subject: Re: SamplingProfiler 1.2 posted to attachments Quote: I think it's a great utility. I use it to tune all my Fastcode entries . Thanks Reminds me I forgot to update the credits, since this version now uses FastMM ;) Eric Back to top Eric Grange Guest Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:13 pm    Post subject: Re: SamplingProfiler 1.2 posted to attachments Quote: Not sure if it is even possible, but how hard would it be to let it profile threads too? I've looked into it but haven't found a way to know which thread of a process was getting executed before you suspend the process. So all I would be able to do so far would be to check what all threads are executing, and then take a sample for each... but the results would be just as incorrect as those of an instrumenting profiler, for instance if you have: Thread A starts function X Thread B starts function Y ... 10 seconds passes... Thread A ends function X Thread B ends function Y then you would get 10 seconds for function X and Y, while in practice, thread A may not have used more than 1 second of CPU time, but has been slowed down by thread B (because of thread priorities, synchronization, whatever..). Depending on the actual precision offered by GetThreadTimes, there may be a way to guesstimate which threads actually did some work since the last sampling (and were not just standing still because of scheduling bad luck), but I haven't investigated it yet. Eric Back to top Eric Grange Guest Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:23 pm    Post subject: Re: SamplingProfiler 1.2 posted to attachments Quote: - ability to use embedded JDBG info Was planning for it, but how its embedded isn't really documented, and I haven't had time yet to reverse engineer the JCL code to know exactly how the JDBG is stored (looks like as a regular resource, but when I tried to stream it from the resource, it failed, haven't tried again since). Quote: - silent mode. ie one can create shortcut to SP with two parameters, prg to profile and log filename. When launched via this shortcut SP only shows up in system tray and log file would be updated on each run allowing to gather profiling data over many runs. Will add it to the list :) Eric Back to top Nils Haeck Guest Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:28 pm    Post subject: Re: SamplingProfiler 1.2 posted to attachments Sounds like a "chicken and egg" paradigm FastMM uses SamplingProfiler to get faster, and SamplingProfiler uses FastMM to get better.. interesting :) Nils "Eric Grange" <egrangeNO (AT) SPAMglscene (DOT) org> wrote Quote: I think it's a great utility. I use it to tune all my Fastcode entries . Thanks Reminds me I forgot to update the credits, since this version now uses FastMM ;) Eric Back to top Eric Grange Guest Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:55 am    Post subject: Re: SamplingProfiler 1.2 posted to attachments Quote: Sounds like a "chicken and egg" paradigm FastMM uses SamplingProfiler to get faster, and SamplingProfiler uses FastMM to get better.. interesting Can't use SamplingProfiler to profile SamplingProfiler profiling phase though, so the loop isn't complete ;) (something about a debugging a debugging debugger results in an 'external exception' from the OS) Eric Back to top Asseri Lintanen Guest Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:25 am    Post subject: Re: SamplingProfiler 1.2 posted to attachments Great utility, had much fun inspecting a few of my projects, thanks alot :) Only, i got a directory issue with it... I tend to organize my projects as follows: ..dpr file in "projectname" folder ..exe in "projectnamerelease" ..pas in "projectnamesources" ....same for some other filetypes, media and so on... Now, when i start sampling the .exe it i get "projectname" as the current running directory inside my application when it starts, when i normally should get "projectnamerelease" (the .exe does reside in there so...) this stops the project from loading at all because i have files under projectnamerelease that i refer to and need in the application. I can resolve it by moving the built app and subdirs to the project root so i can start having fun and sampling my stuff, it's just inconvinient. Great application though, the sampler :) Regards, Asseri Lintanen Back to top Ain Valtin Guest Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 10:08 am    Post subject: Re: SamplingProfiler 1.2 posted to attachments On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:25:32 +0300, Asseri Lintanen <asseridotlintanenatnetsonicdotfi> wrote: Quote: Now, when i start sampling the .exe it i get "projectname" as the current running directory inside my application when it starts, when i normally should get "projectnamerelease" (the .exe does reside in there so...) this stops the project from loading at all because i have files under projectnamerelease that i refer to and need in the application. Well, IMO SP has helped you to find another bug in your software. Never assume current dir! If you want to refer files in the same dir as the exe then use something like ExtractFilePath(Application.ExeName) ain Back to top Anders Isaksson Guest Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:11 am    Post subject: Re: SamplingProfiler 1.2 posted to attachments On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:25:32 +0300, Asseri Lintanen <asseridotlintanenatnetsonicdotfi> wrote: Quote: Now, when i start sampling the .exe it i get "projectname" as the current running directory inside my application when it starts, when i normally should get "projectnamerelease" (the .exe does reside in there so...) Never, ever, assume anything about 'current directory'! When your program is started by a shortcut (or CreateProcess) there are no guarantees that 'current directory' is set as you wish. 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