BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Since another BCB release would be part of Delphi          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Randall Parker Guest Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 7:25 pm    Post subject: Since another BCB release would be part of Delphi Folks, best case I see is that a Delphi rev in 2006 will have C++ support added into it. Think about it. Borland probably is not going to release another stand-alone BCB. But Borland just released a new version of Delphi. I doubt Borland will release a point rev to Delphi 2005 that adds in C++ support. Though I suppose that is possible. It just seems unlikely given Borland past practices. My guess is that Borland will not want to release C++ support that does not include ..NET support. Since Borland isn't even working toward a BCB-Delphi release at this point any work to add .NET support to C++ would have to start at some point in the future and would take a while to do. So I do not see a new dev tool for C++ with a VCL designer until 2006 at the earliest. Back to top Leroy Casterline Guest Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 10:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Since another BCB release would be part of Delphi Randall Parker <STOPtechiepundit (AT) EVILfuturePOXpunditSPAM (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: So I do not see a new dev tool for C++ with a VCL designer until 2006 at the earliest. I think many of us would like to see something sooner, but given a choice between getting BCB in 2006 and not getting it at all, 2006 works for me. Back to top Jeff Overcash (TeamB) Guest Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 11:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Since another BCB release would be part of Delphi Randall Parker wrote: Quote: Since Borland isn't even working toward a BCB-Delphi release at this point any work to add .NET support to C++ would have to start at some point in the future and would take a while to do. Borland hasn't told the public what they are doing right now. You don't know the above, it is strictly your opinion. As many pointed out there was a demo at BorCon showing C++ in diamondback, so some work has indeed happened towards this. -- Jeff Overcash (TeamB) (Please do not email me directly unless asked. Thank You) A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. (RAH) Back to top Randall Parker Guest Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:28 am    Post subject: Re: Since another BCB release would be part of Delphi Jeff Overcash (TeamB) wrote: Quote: Borland hasn't told the public what they are doing right now. You don't know the above, it is strictly your opinion. As many pointed out there was a demo at BorCon showing C++ in diamondback, so some work has indeed happened towards this. Jeff, No, it was reported here that Borland programmers did that demo and then stopped further effort. C++ people are off working on a fix pak and a new release of BCBX. They are not working on BCB. Back to top Gord Guest Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 1:05 am    Post subject: Re: Since another BCB release would be part of Delphi Randall Parker wrote: Quote: So I do not see a new dev tool for C++ with a VCL designer until 2006 at the earliest. I hope you are wrong. If you are right, I think Borland will be toast in the C++ arena. IMO Microsoft VS2005, with its renewed C++ vision, will look to most people as the only option, furthering their stranglehold. Also, it will be interesting to see what advances in the other alternatives (eg, QT etc.) appear in 2005. If you are right, another question I would have would be: If sometime in 2006 or 2007 Borland does a survey of their Borland Development Studio (or Delphi 2006 or whatever) users, and find that hardly any of them are using it for C++, then do they drop C++? Or will the tough work of integrating C++ have already been done so its no problem keeping in BDS and upgrading? Back to top Duane Hebert Guest Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:51 am    Post subject: Re: Since another BCB release would be part of Delphi "Gord" <gp.mail.no.spam (AT) telus (DOT) no.spam.net> wrote Quote: I hope you are wrong. If you are right, I think Borland will be toast in the C++ arena. IMO Microsoft VS2005, with its renewed C++ vision, will look to most people as the only option, furthering their stranglehold. ditto. Quote: Also, it will be interesting to see what advances in the other alternatives (eg, QT etc.) appear in 2005. Qt 4.0 is slated for release in Q1 2005. Quote: If you are right, another question I would have would be: If sometime in 2006 or 2007 Borland does a survey of their Borland Development Studio (or Delphi 2006 or whatever) users, and find that hardly any of them are using it for C++, then do they drop C++? Or will the tough work of integrating C++ have already been done so its no problem keeping in BDS and upgrading? It will depend solely on whether they think they can earn of profit of 10x. At least that seems to have been their reasoning in the past. Back to top Tamas Demjen Guest Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 6:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Since another BCB release would be part of Delphi Unless Diamondback has a complete API for extensible language support, like Visual Studio does. It's possible to add completely new .NET languages to Visual Studio as plugins, and it's very well proven already. If Diamondback has a similar an API (even an internal / unpublished one), Borland could add C++ support sooner than we expect it. I have serious doubts about that, but you never know. Tom Randall Parker wrote: Quote: Folks, best case I see is that a Delphi rev in 2006 will have C++ support added into it. Think about it. Borland probably is not going to release another stand-alone BCB. But Borland just released a new version of Delphi. I doubt Borland will release a point rev to Delphi 2005 that adds in C++ support. Though I suppose that is possible. It just seems unlikely given Borland past practices. My guess is that Borland will not want to release C++ support that does not include .NET support. Since Borland isn't even working toward a BCB-Delphi release at this point any work to add .NET support to C++ would have to start at some point in the future and would take a while to do. So I do not see a new dev tool for C++ with a VCL designer until 2006 at the earliest. Back to top Boian Mitov Guest Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 6:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Since another BCB release would be part of Delphi Hi Tom, It has such support. Indeed it even comes with Visual Basic plug in installed. The Plug-Ins are called personalities, and the C++ Builder personality was demonstrated during BorCon. Boian Tamas Demjen wrote: Quote: Unless Diamondback has a complete API for extensible language support, like Visual Studio does. It's possible to add completely new .NET languages to Visual Studio as plugins, and it's very well proven already. If Diamondback has a similar an API (even an internal / unpublished one), Borland could add C++ support sooner than we expect it. I have serious doubts about that, but you never know. Tom Randall Parker wrote: Back to top Tamas Demjen Guest Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Since another BCB release would be part of Delphi Hi Boian, Thanks. It means they could theoretically release C++Builder for Diamondback without having to develop a completely new IDE. So we may not have to wait for Delphi 10. Tom Boian Mitov wrote: Quote: Hi Tom, It has such support. Indeed it even comes with Visual Basic plug in installed. The Plug-Ins are called personalities, and the C++ Builder personality was demonstrated during BorCon. Boian Tamas Demjen wrote: Unless Diamondback has a complete API for extensible language support, like Visual Studio does. It's possible to add completely new .NET languages to Visual Studio as plugins, and it's very well proven already. If Diamondback has a similar an API (even an internal / unpublished one), Borland could add C++ support sooner than we expect it. I have serious doubts about that, but you never know. Tom Randall Parker wrote: Back to top Boian Mitov Guest Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Since another BCB release would be part of Delphi Hi Tom, You can see the demo of BCB working inside Diamondback at www.mitov.com . The pictures are crappy, but it was a pocket camera . Boian Tamas Demjen wrote: Quote: Hi Boian, Thanks. It means they could theoretically release C++Builder for Diamondback without having to develop a completely new IDE. So we may not have to wait for Delphi 10. Tom Back to top Kenneth de Camargo Guest Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:08 am    Post subject: Re: Since another BCB release would be part of Delphi Boian Mitov wrote: Quote: You can see the demo of BCB working inside Diamondback at www.mitov.com . The pictures are crappy, but it was a pocket camera . Next time, take the camera off the pocket. <g,d&r> -- Ken http://planeta.terra.com.br/educacao/kencamargo/ * this is not a sig * Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:11 am    Post subject: Re: Since another BCB release would be part of Delphi Kenneth de Camargo wrote: Quote: Boian Mitov wrote: You can see the demo of BCB working inside Diamondback at www.mitov.com . The pictures are crappy, but it was a pocket camera . Next time, take the camera off the pocket. g,d&r He should have removed the plastic lens cap. <g> -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] "Love is the answer - but while you're waiting for the answer sex raises some pretty good questions." -- Woody Allen Back to top Boian Mitov Guest Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 1:33 am    Post subject: Re: Since another BCB release would be part of Delphi ;-) Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote: Quote: Kenneth de Camargo wrote: Next time, take the camera off the pocket. g,d&r He should have removed the plastic lens cap. 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