BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Software installation monitor          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Thirdparty Tools (General) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Jonathan Neve[Microtec] Guest Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:03 pm    Post subject: Software installation monitor Hi all, This is not directly related to Delphi, but I wonder what tools others use for this. We use a lot of third-party components, which we rely heavily on, and so setting up a new development machine (or even just keeping our 4 current machines in sync) is a major headache. Installing BCB 5 (which is the version we use the most, by far) with all its patches and components, takes us about a full day... So we're looking for a tool that could simply log all the file system or registry changes that are made during an installation, generating some kind of script that could, if necessary, be tweaked by hand, and be used to compile an all-inclusive setup program to install everything. It would be nice if it could also make it easy to update part of the setup script (without having to remake the entire procedure) as well as to install/uninstall one or several of the individual modules/applications. I have found a few tools that seem to do some of what I described above, but it's hard to be sure how good they are, nor if they even aim to accomplish the goals I described. So if anyone has any positive experience with any tool of this kind, I would be glad for your input. Thanks a lot. -- Best regards, Jonathan Neve _______________ CopyTiger - advanced database replicator for Interbase/Firebird! Web : http://www.microtec.fr/copycat/ct _______________________________________ CopyCat - database replication components for Delphi/C++Builder! Web : http://www.microtec.fr/copycat/cc Back to top Raymond Schappe Guest Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:03 am    Post subject: Re: Software installation monitor Wasn't there a InControl5 (or InCtrl5) Delphi program that did exactly this??? I am having troubles remembering exactly, but I have used it in the past and can probably dig it up if necessary... Do a couple of searches on the net (Inctrl5) and if you strike out, let me know and I can try to find it in one of my backups, etc... -Raymond Jonathan Neve[Microtec] wrote: Quote: So we're looking for a tool that could simply log all the file system or registry changes that are made during an installation, generating some kind of script that could, if necessary, be tweaked by hand, and be used to compile an all-inclusive setup program to install everything. It would be nice if it could also make it easy to update part of the setup script (without having to remake the entire procedure) as well as to install/uninstall one or several of the individual modules/applications. Back to top Jonathan Neve[Microtec] Guest Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:03 am    Post subject: Re: Software installation monitor Raymond Schappe wrote: Quote: Wasn't there a InControl5 (or InCtrl5) Delphi program that did exactly this??? I am having troubles remembering exactly, but I have used it in the past and can probably dig it up if necessary... Do a couple of searches on the net (Inctrl5) and if you strike out, let me know and I can try to find it in one of my backups, etc... Interesting. I had already found that product, but I had the impression it did only logging, and wasn't able to play it back (which of course would be the main aim of the whole thing). I'll take another look at it on your recommendation. Thanks! Any other ideas? -- Best regards, Jonathan Neve _______________ CopyTiger - advanced database replicator for Interbase/Firebird! Web : http://www.microtec.fr/copycat/ct _______________________________________ CopyCat - database replication components for Delphi/C++Builder! Web : http://www.microtec.fr/copycat/cc Back to top Brian Evans Guest Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Software installation monitor Jonathan Neve[Microtec] wrote: Quote: Raymond Schappe wrote: Wasn't there a InControl5 (or InCtrl5) Delphi program that did exactly this??? I am having troubles remembering exactly, but I have used it in the past and can probably dig it up if necessary... Do a couple of searches on the net (Inctrl5) and if you strike out, let me know and I can try to find it in one of my backups, etc... Interesting. I had already found that product, but I had the impression it did only logging, and wasn't able to play it back (which of course would be the main aim of the whole thing). I'll take another look at it on your recommendation. Thanks! Any other ideas? Most installer programs include functionality to snapshot/scan a system before and after you do something and create an installer script/info off the differences. You can then edit and fix it up like any other installer project. The light/express etc editions usually don't include this. Wise and InstallShield are the two big ones but some lesser know names have similar functionality. Brian Evans Back to top Olivier Beltrami Guest Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Software installation monitor Quote: So we're looking for a tool that could simply log all the file system or registry changes that are made during an installation, generating I tried the Wise andIS solutions, but they all fail, UNLESS you are installing on a brand-new, clean version of Windows. Ohterwise these loggers will miss all the "if not already installed ..." events. So the tool you really need is VMWare or Virtual PC. Best regards, Olivier Back to top Raymond Schappe Guest Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:03 am    Post subject: Re: Software installation monitor Hmmm, my memory is playing tricks on me once again!!! I took a quick peek and I think you are correct... Sorry to get your hopes up :( -Raymond Quote: Interesting. I had already found that product, but I had the impression it did only logging, and wasn't able to play it back (which of course would be the main aim of the whole thing). I'll take another look at it on your recommendation. Thanks! Any other ideas? Back to top Jonathan Neve[Microtec] Guest Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:03 am    Post subject: Re: Software installation monitor Brian Evans wrote: Quote: Most installer programs include functionality to snapshot/scan a system before and after you do something and create an installer script/info off the differences. You can then edit and fix it up like any other installer project. The light/express etc editions usually don't include this. Well, snapshot/scan does seem kind of overkill for this kind of thing -- why not simply catch all the changes made in the registry or filesystem by a certain program, and just log them so they can be reproduced on another machine? Quote: Wise and InstallShield are the two big ones but some lesser know names have similar functionality. How about InnoSetup, or some tool creating an InnoSetup script? -- Best regards, Jonathan Neve _______________ CopyTiger - advanced database replicator for Interbase/Firebird! Web : http://www.microtec.fr/copycat/ct _______________________________________ CopyCat - database replication components for Delphi/C++Builder! Web : http://www.microtec.fr/copycat/cc Back to top Jonathan Neve[Microtec] Guest Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:03 am    Post subject: Re: Software installation monitor Olivier Beltrami wrote: Quote: So we're looking for a tool that could simply log all the file system or registry changes that are made during an installation, generating I tried the Wise andIS solutions, but they all fail, UNLESS you are installing on a brand-new, clean version of Windows. Ohterwise these loggers will miss all the "if not already installed ..." events. I don't quite understand what you mean by "if not already installed" events... Quote: So he tool you really need is VMWare or Virtual PC. Well, no, that really wouldn't be suitable. I'd like to be able to make /one/ setup program that could install all my IDEs, all my tools, and all my third-party components, including all the tweeking of the registry and so on... -- Best regards, Jonathan Neve _______________ CopyTiger - advanced database replicator for Interbase/Firebird! Web : http://www.microtec.fr/copycat/ct _______________________________________ CopyCat - database replication components for Delphi/C++Builder! Web : http://www.microtec.fr/copycat/cc Back to top Henrick Hellström [Stream Guest Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:03 am    Post subject: Re: Software installation monitor Jonathan Neve[Microtec] wrote: Quote: I don't quite understand what you mean by "if not already installed" events... Any logger could possibly only log what is actually happening. It won't and can't possibly log what would have happened *if* you hadn't had some particular file already installed on the system etc. IOW the script you will end up with will only be useful if you run it on a second system that is completely identical to the one were you generated the install script. Back to top Jonathan Neve[Microtec] Guest Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:03 am    Post subject: Re: Software installation monitor "Henrick Hellström [StreamSec]" wrote: Quote: Jonathan Neve[Microtec] wrote: I don't quite understand what you mean by "if not already installed" events... Any logger could possibly only log what is actually happening. It won't and can't possibly log what would have happened if you hadn't had some particular file already installed on the system etc. IOW the script you will end up with will only be useful if you run it on a second system that is completely identical to the one were you generated the install script. Oh yes, I see what you mean. -- Best regards, Jonathan Neve _______________ CopyTiger - advanced database replicator for Interbase/Firebird! Web : http://www.microtec.fr/copycat/ct _______________________________________ CopyCat - database replication components for Delphi/C++Builder! Web : http://www.microtec.fr/copycat/cc Back to top Mat Ballard Guest Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:03 am    Post subject: Re: Software installation monitor Jonathan Neve[Microtec] wrote: Quote: So we're looking for a tool that could simply log all the file system or registry changes that are made during an installation, generating some kind of script that could, if necessary, be tweaked by hand, and be used to compile an all-inclusive setup program to install everything. It would be nice if it could also make it easy to update part of the setup script (without having to remake the entire procedure) as well as to install/uninstall one or several of the individual modules/applications. check out FileMon and Regmon: http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/Filemon.html http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/Regmon.html cheers, Mat Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Thirdparty Tools (General) All times are GMT Page 1 of 1   Jump to: Select a forum C++ Builder Newsgroups----------------C++ BuilderC++ Builder (ActiveX)C++ Builder (Announcements)C++ Builder (Command Line Tools)C++ Builder DatabasesC++ Builder Databases (ADO)C++ Builder Databases (Desktop)C++ Builder Databases (InterBase Express)C++ Builder Databases (Multi-Tier)C++ Builder Databases (SQL Servers)C++ Builder (Graphics)C++ Builder (IDE)C++ Builder (Internet)C++ Builder (Internet Socket)C++ Builder (Internet Web)C++ Builder (Jobs)C++ Builder (Language)C++ Builder (Language C++)C++ Builder (Compatibility with MFC)C++ Builder (Native API)C++ Builder (Non-Technical)C++ Builder (Students)C++ Builder (Third Party Tools)C++ Builder (Upgrade)C++ Builder (VCL)C++ Builder (VCL Components Usage)C++ Builder (VCL Components Development)C++ Builder (VCL Usage)C++ Builder (WinAPI)C++ Builder Installation Delphi Newsgroups----------------Delphi (General)Delphi ActiveX Controls UsageDelphi ActiveX Controls DevelopmentDelphi As400Delphi DatabasesDelphi Databases (ADO)Delphi Databases (dbExpress)Delphi Databases (Desktop)Delphi Databases (InterBase Express)Delphi Databases (Multi-Tier)Delphi Databases (SQL Servers)Delphi DeploymentDelphi GraphicsDelphi IDEDelphi InternationalizationDelphi InternetDelphi Internet Isapi-WebBrokerDelphi Internet WebSnapDelphi Internet WinsockDelphi JobsDelphi Language BASMDelphi Language ObjectPascalDelphi Model Driven Architecture (General)Delphi Model Driven Architecture (Third Party)Delphi MultimediaDelphi Native APIDelphi Non-TechnicalDelphi ObjectPascalDelphi OLE AutomationDelphi OO designDelphi OpenToolsAPIDelphi Reporting-ChartingDelphi RTLDelphi StudentsDelphi TeamSourceDelphi Thirdparty ToolsDelphi Thirdparty Tools (General)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (IntraWeb)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (RaveReports)Delphi UpgradeDelphi VCLDelphi VCL ComponentsDelphi VCL Components UsingDelphi VCL Components WritingDelphi WebServices SOAPDelphi WinAPIDelphi XMLDelphi Installationcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.misccomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.usagecomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.writingcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.databasescomp.lang.pascal.delphi.misccomp.sources.delphi JBuilder Newsgroups----------------JBuilderJBuilder AnnouncementsJBuilder Applet IssuesJBuilder As400JBuilder CompilerJBuilder CORBA/RMIJBuilder DatabasesJBuilder DB SwingJBuilder DebuggerJBuilder DeploymentJBuilder DocumentationJBuilder EnterpriseJBuilder HandheldJBuilder IDEJBuilder JavaJBuilder JavaAPIJBuilder Java LanguageJBuilder Java SwingJBuilder Java BeansJBuilder Java Beans UsageJBuilder Java Beans DevelopmentJBuilder JBCLJBuilder JDataStoreJBuilder JobsJBuilder LinuxJBuilder MacintoshJBuilder & MobileSetJBuilder MultiLingual AppsJBuilder Non-TechnicalJBuilder OpenToolsJBuilder Servlets (JSP)JBuilder StudentsJBuilder Team DevelopmentJBuilder Thirdparty ToolsJBuilder UpgradeJBuilder Installation InterBase Newsgroups----------------InterBaseInterBase Bug DiscussionInterBase GeneralInterBase IBConsoleInterBase OpenSourceInterBase ReplicationInterBase SQLInterBase ThirdpartyInterBase Installation Miscellaneous Borland Newsgroups----------------AppCenterAppServerEnteraVisiBroker  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.