BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Speculation! Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Boian Mitov Guest Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 6:55 pm    Post subject: Speculation! Let me start a speculation. What if Borlanders are not going to give us an Open Letter, but a new C++ product as a surprise? Wouldn't that be good ? Who knows, something may be baking right at this very minute. There are some things that make me think that it could be actually the case. Back to top Tim Howard Guest Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 7:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Speculation! Well there is someone on my team going to BorCon with that hope ( not hope as in based on anything, just blind hope ) and he'll be equipped with a PO and if he doesn't come back with it or atleast an order for it, it's going to be a sad day for him. I'm indifferent.. :) cheers, tim Boian Mitov wrote: Quote: Let me start a speculation. What if Borlanders are not going to give us an Open Letter, but a new C++ product as a surprise? Wouldn't that be good ? Who knows, something may be baking right at this very minute. There are some things that make me think that it could be actually the case. -- ----- I'm not afraid to admit I've always hated and never completely understood the C preprocessor. Let's do away with it OK? Bjarne agrees!! Back to top Brion L. Webster Guest Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 7:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Speculation! Tim Howard wrote: Quote: Well there is someone on my team going to BorCon with that hope ( not hope as in based on anything, just blind hope ) and he'll be equipped with a PO and if he doesn't come back with it or atleast an order for it, it's going to be a sad day for him. I'm indifferent.. You can write blank PO's for an unknown amount? Amazing! Your team member may want to double-check that PO's are accepted - I seem to recall they haven't been the last few times. -Brion Back to top Tim Howard Guest Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 7:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Speculation! Well it's not a blank PO, it has a limit and unless the new product is more than $2000 a copy he'll be ok.. We need 3.. Also, he is like Borland #1 Fan ( I think he has one of those giant foam fingers with "I Love Borland" on it ) and he seems to think POs are so.. :) cheers, tim Brion L. Webster wrote: Quote: Tim Howard wrote: Well there is someone on my team going to BorCon with that hope ( not hope as in based on anything, just blind hope ) and he'll be equipped with a PO and if he doesn't come back with it or atleast an order for it, it's going to be a sad day for him. I'm indifferent.. :) You can write blank PO's for an unknown amount? Amazing! Your team member may want to double-check that PO's are accepted - I seem to recall they haven't been the last few times. -Brion -- ----- I'm not afraid to admit I've always hated and never completely understood the C preprocessor. Let's do away with it OK? Bjarne agrees!! Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Speculation! "Boian Mitov" <mitov (AT) mitov (DOT) com> wrote Quote: What if Borlanders are not going to give us an Open Letter, but a new C++ product as a surprise? Wouldn't that be good ? Only if it actually worked. Gambit Back to top Tim Howard Guest Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 9:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Speculation! Ouch, indeed.. Only if it works.. AND WELL!! AND FAST!!! Remy Lebeau (TeamB) wrote: Quote: Only if it actually worked. Gambit -- ----- I'm not afraid to admit I've always hated and never completely understood the C preprocessor. Let's do away with it OK? Bjarne agrees!! Back to top Boian Mitov Guest Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 9:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Speculation! Well, well, well guys, next thing you know - you will ask for it to include a C++ compile ;-) Tim Howard wrote: Quote: Ouch, indeed.. Only if it works.. AND WELL!! AND FAST!!! Back to top El Lobo Guest Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 9:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Speculation! Quote: Tim Howard wrote: Ouch, indeed.. Only if it works.. AND WELL!! AND FAST!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ A FAST C++ compiler????????!!!!! :D Back to top Tim Howard Guest Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 10:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Speculation! Ok, FASTER than the one now!!! :P El Lobo wrote: Quote: Tim Howard wrote: Ouch, indeed.. Only if it works.. AND WELL!! AND FAST!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ A FAST C++ compiler????????!!!!! :D -- ----- I'm not afraid to admit I've always hated and never completely understood the C preprocessor. Let's do away with it OK? Bjarne agrees!! Back to top Boian Mitov Guest Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:34 am    Post subject: Re: Speculation! And you mean... It has to even be able to compile a C++ code :P Tim Howard wrote: Quote: Ok, FASTER than the one now!!! Back to top Martin Hart - Memory Soft Guest Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:11 am    Post subject: Re: Speculation! Well... yes... but.... Unfortunately I think Borland have lost a lot of credibility in the C++ arena. The lack of information, the lack of direction, apparent internal squabbling and totally disregarding their *long* time customers. So yes, it would be nice but those who have been forced to seek brighter horizons will not return therefore further reducing the BCB client base further and making the products long term future even more precarious. I can hardly believe I'm saying this, I'm an optimist by nature but realism seems to have swept in! Just my 2 cents worth... Martin. "Boian Mitov" <mitov (AT) mitov (DOT) com> escribió en el mensaje news:40febeaf$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Quote: Let me start a speculation. What if Borlanders are not going to give us an Open Letter, but a new C++ product as a surprise? Wouldn't that be good ? Who knows, something may be baking right at this very minute. There are some things that make me think that it could be actually the case. Back to top Boian Mitov Guest Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:48 am    Post subject: Re: Speculation! Hmm... pessimist = well informed optimist Take care, Boian Martin Hart - Memory Soft, S.L. wrote: Quote: I can hardly believe I'm saying this, I'm an optimist by nature but realism seems to have swept in! Back to top vavan Guest Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 7:08 am    Post subject: Re: Speculation! On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:55:19 -0700, Boian Mitov <mitov (AT) mitov (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: Let me start a speculation. What if Borlanders are not going to give us an Open Letter, but a new C++ product as a surprise? Wouldn't that be good ? Who knows, something may be baking right at this very minute. There are some things that make me think that it could be actually the case. please see the little transcription below ----- BEGIN ----- VU> I think you should let bcb users to install <Product name here> as component VU> just as in Delphi Quote: We have no plans to offer support for C++Builder with Delphi package because C++Builder is obsolete product. VU> 2. you may find yourself surprised when borland ships bcb v.9. though VU> officially unconfirmed yet there are rumours that they're working on VU> it, so please don't call it obsolete We are BTP partners and we have information about future Borland plans regarding different products. I can't comment on this but you can guess from my answer ;) ----- END ----- -- Vladimir Ulchenko aka vavan Back to top john blackburn Guest Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:44 am    Post subject: Re: Speculation! Boian Mitov wrote: Quote: Hmm... pessimist = well informed optimist Take care, Boian Martin Hart - Memory Soft, S.L. wrote: I can hardly believe I'm saying this, I'm an optimist by nature but realism seems to have swept in! "An optimist is a person who realizes what a sad place the world is A pessimist is a person who rediscovers this fact anew every day" - Peter Ustinov Back to top Alisdair Meredith (TeamB) Guest Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:18 am    Post subject: Re: Speculation! Boian Mitov wrote: Quote: Let me start a speculation. What if Borlanders are not going to give us an Open Letter, but a new C++ product as a surprise? Wouldn't that be good ? I don't have any real information to contradict you, but I wouldn't hold my breath for this... Regarding the Open Letter, I believe there is still work progressing on this. I believe the real problem is that Borland have said so little for so long, and put so much pressure on what the Open Letter must say, that it really is almost as much work to write that letter now as it is to implement the product! This could be the first letter in history to go through a formal QA procedure, regression testing and all... OK, maybe not quite that far, but the problem is the pressure for what the Open Letter has to say is now a real problem in getting the news out at all, and the longer it waits the more pressure, so the bigger the problem. I have settled back for the traditional Borland schedule of "it will ship when it is ready" and there's not a lot we can do to bring it forwards. However BorCon is in just over a month, and I would be surprised if that could pass without any news of ongoing C++ work, and some kind of product direction. 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