BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Stunning interview with Danny Thorpe Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message SiegfriedN Guest Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:19 am    Post subject: Stunning interview with Danny Thorpe http://www.builderau.com.au/architect/sdi/0,39024602,39194366-1,00.htm Good to see Borland is on the ball after all! Mono, Kylix.. fantastic! read it for yourself :) siegs Back to top Eric Grange Guest Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Stunning interview with Danny Thorpe << We also have a unique position of being entrenched in .NET but also well entrenched in other platforms. You don’t see C# anywhere else other than ..NET and there are very few languages that can say that. We are definitely going to pursue that [diversity] further with Delphi. Quote: But long as Borland doesn't want to stay swamped in .Net, that's good, just hope it wasn't just lip service (Delphi native (1 shl 6) bits compiler, are thou coming?) Eric Back to top Lurkio Guest Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Stunning interview with Danny Thorpe Eric Grange wrote: Quote: We also have a unique position of being entrenched in .NET but also well entrenched in other platforms. You don’t see C# anywhere else other than .NET and there are very few languages that can say that. We are definitely going to pursue that [diversity] further with Delphi. But long as Borland doesn't want to stay swamped in .Net, that's good, just hope it wasn't just lip service (Delphi native (1 shl 6) bits compiler, are thou coming?) I thought you would have jumped on the previous line : "I don’t want to see Delphi evolving into this narrow, vertical, domain specific programming language. It is a general purpose language and we want to try and exploit that". I like that. If it is to remain true then a Delphi native (1 shl 6) bits compiler has to be on the cards, no ? ;-) Back to top Angus Johnson Guest Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Stunning interview with Danny Thorpe "The Delphi roadmap has been snagged on disclosure items that might impact on negotiations we are having in other quarters." Nothing like the hint of an acquisition or take-over to pump the share price ). Quote: http://www.builderau.com.au/architect/sdi/0,39024602,39194366-1,00.htm Back to top Eric Grange Guest Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Stunning interview with Danny Thorpe Quote: I thought you would have jumped on the previous line : Maybe it's a twist of the english language I don't get, but these two sentences actually sound like marketing smoke to me... What's "this"? Is it .Net, is it being just a programming language, is it Win32, is it DB-programming, is it...? And is the "general purpose" language sentence more intended to C++ and VB users who see Delphi only as language to make DB apps GUI? Or is it intended for existing Delphi users as way to say that Delphi's specifity will be sacrificed? Quote: I like that. If it is to remain true then a Delphi native (1 shl 6) bits compiler has to be on the cards, no ? I would hope so, but then one could also understand it as meaning they don't want to remain native and want to go full .Net because that's where general purpose and non-specific stands... jack of all trades, master of none. It's all a matter of what you consider .Net to be, and recently, it seems that .Net is close to being the holy graal in Borland's eyes. Eric Back to top Lurkio Guest Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Stunning interview with Danny Thorpe Eric Grange wrote: Quote: Maybe it's a twist of the english language I don't get, but these two sentences actually sound like marketing smoke to me... What's "this"? Is it .Net, is it being just a programming language, is it Win32, is it DB-programming, is it...? And is the "general purpose" language sentence more intended to C++ and VB users who see Delphi only as language to make DB apps GUI? Or is it intended for existing Delphi users as way to say that Delphi's specifity will be sacrificed? I took the "general purpose" language sentence to mean that Delphi should not be perceived as just a DB front-end tool, which to me reads like it should always offer way /more/ than that (and I don't mean just the SDO add-ons, etc), something more powerful than what is being provided by VB.Net / Visual C# (i.e. what was the old Visual Basic market space). Maybe I'm being too optimistic in seeing the old "VB RAD with VC++ power" maxim disguised in there but a .Net only Delphi can /never/ provide that. Quote: I like that. If it is to remain true then a Delphi native (1 shl 6) bits compiler has to be on the cards, no ? ;-) I would hope so, but then one could also understand it as meaning they don't want to remain native and want to go full .Net because that's where general purpose and non-specific stands... Hopefully the things he said about being "entrenched in other platforms" and pursuing "that [diversity] further with Delphi" means that they don't see a complete .Net only future either - here's hoping, anyway ;-) Back to top Leonel Guest Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Stunning interview with Danny Thorpe SiegfriedN wrote: Quote: http://www.builderau.com.au/architect/sdi/0,39024602,39194366-1,00.htm Is it really slow loading for everyone or just for me? It stopped loading in the middle of the article a few times already. Quote: Good to see Borland is on the ball after all! Funny you said that. http://blogs.borland.com/dcc/archive/2004/05/27/2392.aspx Coincidence? Quote: Mono, Kylix.. fantastic! The half I read sounds potentially interesting, indeed. -- Leonel Back to top Eric Grange Guest Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Stunning interview with Danny Thorpe Quote: something more powerful than what is being provided by VB.Net / Visual C# (i.e. what was the old Visual Basic market space) Officially, MS are aiming for more than that with C#... wether they'll actually get it is another story. Quote: Maybe I'm being too optimistic in seeing the old "VB RAD with VC++ power" maxim Maybe I'm too pessimistic in seeing Borland's new goal for Delphi being only ".Net RAD with Delphi language, oh yeah, almost forgot, it still works in Win32 too". :/ Quote: Hopefully the things he said about being "entrenched in other platforms" and pursuing "that [diversity] further with Delphi" means that they don't see a complete .Net only future either - here's hoping, anyway Aye! Eric Back to top Lauchlan M Guest Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Stunning interview with Danny Thorpe Quote: Funny you said that. http://blogs.borland.com/dcc/archive/2004/05/27/2392.aspx Coincidence? I'm blocked from going to that site. Can you summarize, please? It basically said supporting MS .NET has to be a much higher priority than supporting MONO. It ended: << If we miss a market window for producing Mono tools, we might miss some potential revenue. So sad. If we miss the market window for producing tools for MS .NET (Whidbey, Longhorn, etc), we're out of the game entirely. Quote: While I think Danny's/Borland's business priorities of MS support vs Mono support are probably right, it's a shame to think that Borland sees the 'whole game' as providing "tools for MS .NET". I think their whole Delphi for Windows game should/could be a more general proposition of support for Delphi on the Windows platform, which could be a lot more general than just supporting .net. For example, it might support a native Win 64 Delphi for Windows. And of course it might include Delphi for other platforms (Kylix etc) when they see commercial opportunities for it. Lauchlan M Back to top Leonel Guest Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Stunning interview with Danny Thorpe Rick Carter wrote: Quote: I'm blocked from going to that site. Can you summarize, please? Summary: Danny would like to support Mono, but he thinks resources are better spent elsewhere. So he says "Keep your eyes on the ball". Long story: <quote> "Will Borland ever officially support the Mono platform?" "Or is their a clause in the Microsoft Framework distribution which makes it legally tricky?" There is no clause in any of Borland's contracts with Microsoft which prohibits Borland from developing tools for non-Microsoft platforms. Microsoft boilerplate contracts often do include such clauses, but we know better than to sign the first paper that comes across the negotiating table. Sure, Borland tools could support Mono someday. But we're fully booked for the next 3 years. To put Mono on the menu you'll have to take something else off. Is Mono worth missing Whidbey? No. We're not actively working on Mono tools right now for reasons that should be pretty obvious: resources, revenue, focus, and politics. We are actively monitoring Mono developments via blogwatching, conferences, and the occasional email. Heaven knows Miguel de Icaza has been an enthusiastic advocate for a Delphi for Mono in our conversations, but he also understands the frustrations of resource constraints and market priorities. It's not a matter of Microsoft strongarm tactics or any number of other conspiracy theories. If we miss a market window for producing Mono tools, we might miss some potential revenue. So sad. If we miss the market window for producing tools for MS .NET (Whidbey, Longhorn, etc), we're out of the game entirely. Eyes on the ball, folks. </quote> -- Leonel Back to top Leonel Guest Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Stunning interview with Danny Thorpe Rick Carter wrote: Quote: You might (or might not) do better going straight to the "printer friendly" page That helped a lot. Thanks! -- Leonel Back to top Rick Carter Guest Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 4:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Stunning interview with Danny Thorpe Quote: SiegfriedN wrote: http://www.builderau.com.au/architect/sdi/0,39024602,39194366-1,00.htm Leonel wrote: Quote: Is it really slow loading for everyone or just for me? It stopped loading in the middle of the article a few times already. Very slow for me! You might (or might not) do better going straight to the "printer friendly" page at http://www.builderau.com.au/architect/sdi/print.htm? TYPE=story&AT=39194366-39024602t-20000984c Quote: Good to see Borland is on the ball after all! Funny you said that. http://blogs.borland.com/dcc/archive/2004/05/27/2392.aspx Coincidence? I'm blocked from going to that site. Can you summarize, please? Rick Carter [email]carterrk (AT) despammed (DOT) com[/email] Chair, Delphi/Paradox SIG, Cincinnati PC Users Group --- posted by geoForum on http://delphi.newswhat.com Back to top marc hoffman Guest Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Stunning interview with Danny Thorpe Leone, Quote: Sure, Borland tools could support Mono someday. But we're fully booked for the next 3 years. To put Mono on the menu you'll have to take something else off. Is Mono worth missing Whidbey? No. True. I can see how supporting both Mono and Whidbey could be tricky for a company with the limited resources borland has... Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Stunning interview with Danny Thorpe At 14:31:51, 20.06.2005, Lurkio wrote: Quote: "I don’t want to see Delphi evolving into this narrow, vertical, domain specific programming language. It is a general purpose language and we want to try and exploit that". I like that. If it is to remain true then a Delphi native (1 shl 6) bits compiler has to be on the cards, no ? I actually fail to see the link to 64 bit. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "There is a charm about the forbidden that makes it unspeakably diserable." -- Mark Twain. Back to top Leonel Guest Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Stunning interview with Danny Thorpe marc hoffman wrote: Quote: True. I can see how supporting both Mono and Whidbey could be tricky for a company with the limited resources borland has... Cheap shot, uh? OTOH, I can see how easy it must be to support Mono and Whidbey with the limited scope smaller projects have. -- Leonel Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical All times are GMT Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next Page 1 of 6   Jump to: Select a forum C++ Builder Newsgroups----------------C++ BuilderC++ Builder (ActiveX)C++ Builder (Announcements)C++ Builder (Command Line Tools)C++ Builder DatabasesC++ Builder Databases (ADO)C++ Builder Databases (Desktop)C++ Builder Databases (InterBase Express)C++ Builder Databases (Multi-Tier)C++ Builder Databases (SQL Servers)C++ Builder (Graphics)C++ Builder (IDE)C++ Builder (Internet)C++ Builder (Internet Socket)C++ Builder (Internet Web)C++ Builder (Jobs)C++ Builder (Language)C++ Builder (Language C++)C++ Builder (Compatibility with MFC)C++ Builder (Native API)C++ Builder (Non-Technical)C++ Builder (Students)C++ Builder (Third Party Tools)C++ Builder (Upgrade)C++ Builder (VCL)C++ Builder (VCL Components Usage)C++ Builder (VCL Components Development)C++ Builder (VCL Usage)C++ Builder (WinAPI)C++ Builder Installation Delphi Newsgroups----------------Delphi (General)Delphi ActiveX Controls UsageDelphi ActiveX Controls DevelopmentDelphi As400Delphi DatabasesDelphi Databases (ADO)Delphi Databases (dbExpress)Delphi Databases (Desktop)Delphi Databases (InterBase Express)Delphi Databases (Multi-Tier)Delphi Databases (SQL Servers)Delphi DeploymentDelphi GraphicsDelphi IDEDelphi InternationalizationDelphi InternetDelphi Internet Isapi-WebBrokerDelphi Internet WebSnapDelphi Internet WinsockDelphi JobsDelphi Language BASMDelphi Language ObjectPascalDelphi Model Driven Architecture (General)Delphi Model Driven Architecture (Third Party)Delphi MultimediaDelphi Native APIDelphi Non-TechnicalDelphi ObjectPascalDelphi OLE AutomationDelphi OO designDelphi OpenToolsAPIDelphi Reporting-ChartingDelphi RTLDelphi StudentsDelphi TeamSourceDelphi Thirdparty ToolsDelphi Thirdparty Tools (General)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (IntraWeb)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (RaveReports)Delphi UpgradeDelphi VCLDelphi VCL ComponentsDelphi VCL Components UsingDelphi VCL Components WritingDelphi WebServices SOAPDelphi WinAPIDelphi XMLDelphi Installationcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.misccomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.usagecomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.writingcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.databasescomp.lang.pascal.delphi.misccomp.sources.delphi JBuilder Newsgroups----------------JBuilderJBuilder AnnouncementsJBuilder Applet IssuesJBuilder As400JBuilder CompilerJBuilder CORBA/RMIJBuilder DatabasesJBuilder DB SwingJBuilder DebuggerJBuilder DeploymentJBuilder DocumentationJBuilder EnterpriseJBuilder HandheldJBuilder IDEJBuilder JavaJBuilder JavaAPIJBuilder Java LanguageJBuilder Java SwingJBuilder Java BeansJBuilder Java Beans UsageJBuilder Java Beans DevelopmentJBuilder JBCLJBuilder JDataStoreJBuilder JobsJBuilder LinuxJBuilder MacintoshJBuilder & MobileSetJBuilder MultiLingual AppsJBuilder Non-TechnicalJBuilder OpenToolsJBuilder Servlets (JSP)JBuilder StudentsJBuilder Team DevelopmentJBuilder Thirdparty ToolsJBuilder UpgradeJBuilder Installation InterBase Newsgroups----------------InterBaseInterBase Bug DiscussionInterBase GeneralInterBase IBConsoleInterBase OpenSourceInterBase ReplicationInterBase SQLInterBase ThirdpartyInterBase Installation Miscellaneous Borland Newsgroups----------------AppCenterAppServerEnteraVisiBroker  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.