BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  suggestions for learning C# personality of delphi Goto page 1, 2  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Non-Technical View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message rbwinston Guest Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:13 am    Post subject: suggestions for learning C# personality of delphi I'm considering starting a new project using the C# personality of Delphi 2005. However, I have no experience with C#. Can anyone suggest a good introduction to C# geared toward Delphi developers? Back to top Adam Roslon Guest Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:41 am    Post subject: Re: suggestions for learning C# personality of delphi In article <hu4lg15b9762kbnd37jvve73fm17crauqu (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, [email]rbwinston (AT) mindspring (DOT) com[/email] says... Quote: I'm considering starting a new project using the C# personality of Delphi 2005. However, I have no experience with C#. Can anyone suggest a good introduction to C# geared toward Delphi developers? here's a good thread to check out, http://distribucon.com/blog/archive/2004/04/26/178.aspx but you should also http://www.drbob42.com/ If I remember right, he has a couple good clinics on Borland C# 1.0 geared towards Delphi developers, when it first came out Back to top Sean Thomas Guest Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:49 am    Post subject: Re: suggestions for learning C# personality of delphi I went with C# because of the large amount of help available. MSDN is good start but there are many other options. Additionally there are many good books. C# Unleashed is the one I reference the most. I am not sure about the Delphi specific C# need. Cheers Sean rbwinston wrote: Quote: I'm considering starting a new project using the C# personality of Delphi 2005. However, I have no experience with C#. Can anyone suggest a good introduction to C# geared toward Delphi developers? Back to top Johnnie Norsworthy Guest Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 6:48 am    Post subject: Re: suggestions for learning C# personality of delphi "rbwinston" <rbwinston (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote Quote: I'm considering starting a new project using the C# personality of Delphi 2005. However, I have no experience with C#. Can anyone suggest a good introduction to C# geared toward Delphi developers? Not toward Delphi programmers distinctly, but check this out... http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/beginner/ I have been using C# for aboutl 18 mos. now and I still got something out of these trainging videos. Back to top Chris Brooksbank Guest Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 12:10 pm    Post subject: Re: suggestions for learning C# personality of delphi I am interested to know why and if you have evaluated VS 2005 ( or 2003 ). Presumably its because you already own D2005. Quote: I'm considering starting a new project using the C# personality of Delphi 2005. Back to top rbwinston Guest Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:20 pm    Post subject: Re: suggestions for learning C# personality of delphi Adam Roslon <adam (AT) removeme_roslon_removeme (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: In article <hu4lg15b9762kbnd37jvve73fm17crauqu (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, [email]rbwinston (AT) mindspring (DOT) com[/email] says... I'm considering starting a new project using the C# personality of Delphi 2005. However, I have no experience with C#. Can anyone suggest a good introduction to C# geared toward Delphi developers? here's a good thread to check out, http://distribucon.com/blog/archive/2004/04/26/178.aspx but you should also http://www.drbob42.com/ If I remember right, he has a couple good clinics on Borland C# 1.0 geared towards Delphi developers, when it first came out Thanks for the reply. I couldn't find the C# clinics. Maybe they have been removed. Back to top rbwinston Guest Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:20 pm    Post subject: Re: suggestions for learning C# personality of delphi Thanks. I'll check it out. Sean Thomas <sathomasNO (AT) SPAMiconz (DOT) co.nz> wrote: Quote: I went with C# because of the large amount of help available. MSDN is good start but there are many other options. Additionally there are many good books. C# Unleashed is the one I reference the most. I am not sure about the Delphi specific C# need. Cheers Sean rbwinston wrote: I'm considering starting a new project using the C# personality of Delphi 2005. However, I have no experience with C#. Can anyone suggest a good introduction to C# geared toward Delphi developers? Back to top rbwinston Guest Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:20 pm    Post subject: Re: suggestions for learning C# personality of delphi "Johnnie Norsworthy" <jln206 (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote: Quote: "rbwinston" <rbwinston (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote in message news:hu4lg15b9762kbnd37jvve73fm17crauqu (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... I'm considering starting a new project using the C# personality of Delphi 2005. However, I have no experience with C#. Can anyone suggest a good introduction to C# geared toward Delphi developers? Not toward Delphi programmers distinctly, but check this out... http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/beginner/ I have been using C# for aboutl 18 mos. now and I still got something out of these trainging videos. Thanks. That looks interesting. Back to top Bob Swart Guest Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:27 pm    Post subject: Re: suggestions for learning C# personality of delphi Hi rbwinston, Quote: Thanks for the reply. I couldn't find the C# clinics. Maybe they have been removed. No, but perhaps a bit hard to find? (the last one I wrote using C# was a while ago)... ;-) Anyway, you can start at http://www.drbob42.com/csharpbuilder (for the general page) as well as http://www.drbob42.com/examines for the monthly columns. An important one is http://www.drbob42.com/examines/examin43.htm listing some C#Builder articles I wrote for the IBM DB2 website, which are still relevant for the C# personality inside Delphi 2005... Groetjes, Bob Swart (aka Dr.Bob - www.DrBob42.com) -- Bob Swart Training & Consultancy (eBob42) - Borland Technology Partner Delphi 2005 self-study training books: http://www.drbob42.com/training Back to top rbwinston Guest Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:58 pm    Post subject: Re: suggestions for learning C# personality of delphi The project I am considering is to develop a GUI for several groundwater simulation models. I estimate that the GUI, if written will take about two years to write and have a life-span of 10-15 years. Right now, I am trying to determine the best language to write the GUI in. I want to write some proof-of-concept programs to use to evaluate which languages would be suitable for the GUI. (I know I could write the GUI in Delphi Win32 but I am concerned that Delphi might become obsolete before my GUI does.) Here are some of the important relevant features of the GUI that will affect my choice of language. 1. It is likely to use a lot of memory. Some of the models are already use more than 2GB of memory and the GUI will need somewhat more memory than the models. A 64-bit program would be highly desirable to allow more memory to be used. Historically, the size of the models has been limited by the available hardware. 2. There will be lots of floating point operations so speed is important. The models typically take half an hour to a day to run. Ideally, the GUI should not take more than half an hour to create the required input files for the models. 3. Fast 3D graphics (for example, OpenGL) would be nice but are not essential. 4. The source code for the GUI will end up in the public domain where others may adapt it for their own purposes. Thus, it is highly desirable that it be written in a language that is accessible to a large number of programmers. 5. The GUI must be able to run on Windows. It would be very nice if it could run on Linux too because some of the models are run on Linux machines. C# looks like it would be OK with criteria 1, 3, and 4. However, I am concerned that speed (criterion #2) would be an issue so I would like to try a prototype to determine whether the speed would be adequate. I have not evaluated Visual Studio although if the speed of C# is adequate, I certainly would then need to determine whether to use Delphi 2005 or VS. Here are some of the other options I am considering. 1. Lazarus. (At present, it is too clunky to be a real contender.) 2. Delphi VCL or CLX. (Lack of a 64-bit compiler presents a problem. Also Borland doesn't seem to be much interested in encouraging new developers to learn Delphi so criterion 4 is a problem with Delphi.) 3. Java (Speed concerns are an issue as they are for C#.) 4. C++ using Qt or WxWidgets (This is a possibility but I'm much less productive writing C++ than I am with Delphi.) "Chris Brooksbank" <NoSpamPlease@Somewhere> wrote: Quote: I am interested to know why and if you have evaluated VS 2005 ( or 2003 ). Presumably its because you already own D2005. I'm considering starting a new project using the C# personality of Delphi 2005. Back to top rbwinston Guest Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:09 pm    Post subject: Re: suggestions for learning C# personality of delphi Thanks. That looks useful. I also see that there are some links to some C# books. They would probably provide the sort of basic introduction that I need right now. Bob Swart <b.swart (AT) chello (DOT) nl> wrote: Quote: Hi rbwinston, Thanks for the reply. I couldn't find the C# clinics. Maybe they have been removed. No, but perhaps a bit hard to find? (the last one I wrote using C# was a while ago)... ;-) Anyway, you can start at http://www.drbob42.com/csharpbuilder (for the general page) as well as http://www.drbob42.com/examines for the monthly columns. An important one is http://www.drbob42.com/examines/examin43.htm listing some C#Builder articles I wrote for the IBM DB2 website, which are still relevant for the C# personality inside Delphi 2005... Groetjes, Bob Swart (aka Dr.Bob - www.DrBob42.com) Back to top Gbenga Abimbola Guest Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:21 pm    Post subject: Re: suggestions for learning C# personality of delphi Considering your situation: Use C#. Either from Delphi 2005 or Vs.NET, either way, you won. Besides, C# will run eventually on Linux (consider Mono Project by Novel). But if you are considering Windows environment alone, then, you can choose the language that you are comfortable with. rbwinston <rbwinston (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: The project I am considering is to develop a GUI for several groundwater simulation models. I estimate that the GUI, if written will take about two years to write and have a life-span of 10-15 years. Right now, I am trying to determine the best language to write the GUI in. I want to write some proof-of-concept programs to use to evaluate which languages would be suitable for the GUI. (I know I could write the GUI in Delphi Win32 but I am concerned that Delphi might become obsolete before my GUI does.) Here are some of the important relevant features of the GUI that will affect my choice of language. 1. It is likely to use a lot of memory. Some of the models are already use more than 2GB of memory and the GUI will need somewhat more memory than the models. A 64-bit program would be highly desirable to allow more memory to be used. Historically, the size of the models has been limited by the available hardware. 2. There will be lots of floating point operations so speed is important. The models typically take half an hour to a day to run. Ideally, the GUI should not take more than half an hour to create the required input files for the models. 3. Fast 3D graphics (for example, OpenGL) would be nice but are not essential. 4. The source code for the GUI will end up in the public domain where others may adapt it for their own purposes. Thus, it is highly desirable that it be written in a language that is accessible to a large number of programmers. 5. The GUI must be able to run on Windows. It would be very nice if it could run on Linux too because some of the models are run on Linux machines. C# looks like it would be OK with criteria 1, 3, and 4. However, I am concerned that speed (criterion #2) would be an issue so I would like to try a prototype to determine whether the speed would be adequate. I have not evaluated Visual Studio although if the speed of C# is adequate, I certainly would then need to determine whether to use Delphi 2005 or VS. Here are some of the other options I am considering. 1. Lazarus. (At present, it is too clunky to be a real contender.) 2. Delphi VCL or CLX. (Lack of a 64-bit compiler presents a problem. Also Borland doesn't seem to be much interested in encouraging new developers to learn Delphi so criterion 4 is a problem with Delphi.) 3. Java (Speed concerns are an issue as they are for C#.) 4. C++ using Qt or WxWidgets (This is a possibility but I'm much less productive writing C++ than I am with Delphi.) "Chris Brooksbank" <NoSpamPlease@Somewhere> wrote: I am interested to know why and if you have evaluated VS 2005 ( or 2003 ). Presumably its because you already own D2005. I'm considering starting a new project using the C# personality of Delphi 2005. Back to top Rick Carter Guest Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:23 pm    Post subject: Re: suggestions for learning C# personality of delphi Quote: I'm considering starting a new project using the C# personality of Delphi 2005. However, I have no experience with C#. Can anyone suggest a good introduction to C# geared toward Delphi developers? Joe Mayo wrote a book for Borland C#Builder, released around the same time as version 1.0. It's an inexpensive "Quick Start" book from Sam's. I haven't worked through it cover to cover, but what I've read seems good. I would think that the interface has not changed that much in D2005. Jon Shemitz has not yet finished writing his book on Delphi 2005 (or maybe it'll end up being a book for Delphi 2006), but he does plan to cover C# as well. Marco Cantu's "Mastering Delphi 2005" has just been released, but I haven't seen it, or seen a table of contents, so I'm not sure if he covers C#. Rick Carter [email]carterrk (AT) despammed (DOT) com[/email] Chair, Delphi/Paradox SIG, Cincinnati PC Users Group --- posted by geoForum on http://delphi.newswhat.com Back to top Rick Carter Guest Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:27 pm    Post subject: Re: suggestions for learning C# personality of delphi Quote: Marco Cantu's "Mastering Delphi 2005" has just been released, but I haven't seen it, or seen a table of contents, so I'm not sure if he covers C#. Just found the table of contents at http://www.marcocantu.com/md2005/#contents Doesn't look like he covers C#, unless it's a brief mention. Rick Carter [email]carterrk (AT) despammed (DOT) com[/email] Chair, Delphi/Paradox SIG, Cincinnati PC Users Group --- posted by geoForum on http://delphi.newswhat.com Back to top Craig Stuntz [TeamB] Guest Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 5:00 pm    Post subject: Re: suggestions for learning C# personality of delphi Gbenga Abimbola wrote: Quote: Use C#. Either from Delphi 2005 or Vs.NET, either way, you won. Besides, C# will run eventually on Linux (consider Mono Project by Novel). But if you are considering Windows environment alone, then, you can choose the language that you are comfortable with. This is badly misleading. Since when is Mono only intended to run C# apps? People already run Delphi for .NET ASP.NET apps on mono, and have since the days of D8. WinForms apps written in Delphi will probably work, too (I haven't tried it), although Mono's WinForms implementation is not as far along as the FCL implementation is. As for VCL for .NET, I wouldn't count on it working today, but since (one of) Mono's WinForms implementations is built on WineLib it's not out of the question for the future. C# is, IMHO, a fine language and if that's what you prefer than by all means use it. But .NET is intended to be multi-language. If Mono successfully implements .NET, then it will be, too. -- Craig Stuntz [TeamB] . Vertex Systems Corp. . Columbus, OH Delphi/InterBase Weblog : http://blogs.teamb.com/craigstuntz All the great TeamB service you've come to expect plus (New!) 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