BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  The C++Builder IDE in Delphi 2005 is most disgusting Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message cppgx Guest Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 11:04 am    Post subject: The C++Builder IDE in Delphi 2005 is most disgusting Why did C++Builder abandon its traditional 'open' IDE? The new IDE is much similar with that of MS-VisualStudio. Back to top dk_sz Guest Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 11:09 am    Post subject: Re: The C++Builder IDE in Delphi 2005 is most disgusting Quote: Why did C++Builder abandon its traditional 'open' IDE? The new IDE is much similar with that of MS-VisualStudio. You can configure the IDE to behave like god'old Delphi (floating windows/form-designer) in options... best regards Thomas Back to top Mark Jacobs Guest Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 11:58 am    Post subject: Re: The C++Builder IDE in Delphi 2005 is most disgusting What do you mean? I have not seen the IDE yet. What is the problem with it? Please expand on your discourse. -- Mark Jacobs DK Computing http://www.dkcomputing.co.uk "cppgx" <guanxin (AT) tsinghua (DOT) org.cn> wrote Quote: Why did C++Builder abandon its traditional 'open' IDE? The new IDE is much similar with that of MS-VisualStudio. Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 12:09 pm    Post subject: Re: The C++Builder IDE in Delphi 2005 is most disgusting Mark Jacobs wrote: Quote: What do you mean? I have not seen the IDE yet. What is the problem with it? Please expand on your discourse. There was a short BDNTV entry that showed a preview of it. But the IDE looks more like the D8 IDE, and not like D2005. http://bdn.borland.com/article/0,1410,32862,00.html -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://rvelthuis.bei.t-online.de "Humor is a rubber sword - it allows you to make a point without drawing blood." -- Mary Hirsch Back to top Doychin Bondzhev Guest Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 3:38 pm    Post subject: Re: The C++Builder IDE in Delphi 2005 is most disgusting cppgx wrote: Quote: Why did C++Builder abandon its traditional 'open' IDE? The new IDE is much similar with that of MS-VisualStudio. well it is because they probably use Delphi 8 IDE for development because Delphi 2005 is still updated. Probably the next time they will show it in Delphi 2005 IDE ;-) Doychin Back to top Brion L. Webster Guest Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 4:05 pm    Post subject: Re: The C++Builder IDE in Delphi 2005 is most disgusting cppgx wrote: Quote: Why did C++Builder abandon its traditional 'open' IDE? The new IDE is much similar with that of MS-VisualStudio. FWIW, I detest the all-stuck-together, SDI IDE. I much prefer the old floating form designer, being able to view both code and the form at the same time, etc. BDS does have an option to emulate the old style, for VCL designers (not WinForms). Once you check the box, and restart the IDE, it looks a lot more like C++ Builder 6 or Delphi 7. -Brion Back to top Anders Ohlsson (Borland) Guest Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 5:34 pm    Post subject: Re: The C++Builder IDE in Delphi 2005 is most disgusting Quote: Why did C++Builder abandon its traditional 'open' IDE? So that the product can continue to exist. -- Anders Ohlsson - Borland Developer Relations - http://bdn.borland.com/ Borland Software Corporation - http://www.borland.com/ - Excellence Endures Enabling our customers to move into the future without abandoning their past http://blogs.borland.com/ao/ http://homepages.borland.com/aohlsson/blog_beta/#disclaimer Back to top mr_organic Guest Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 6:24 pm    Post subject: Re: The C++Builder IDE in Delphi 2005 is most disgusting "Anders Ohlsson (Borland)" <aohlsson (AT) borland (DOT) com> wrote in news:41cb01b9$1 @newsgroups.borland.com: Quote: Why did C++Builder abandon its traditional 'open' IDE? So that the product can continue to exist. Boy, that sounds an awful lot like the old "We had to destroy the village in order to save it" comment from the Vietnam war. mr_organic Back to top Chris Uzdavinis (TeamB) Guest Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 6:59 pm    Post subject: Re: The C++Builder IDE in Delphi 2005 is most disgusting "mr_organic" <mr_organic (AT) yourmamashouse (DOT) com> writes: Quote: "Anders Ohlsson (Borland)" <aohlsson (AT) borland (DOT) com> wrote in news:41cb01b9$1 @newsgroups.borland.com: Why did C++Builder abandon its traditional 'open' IDE? So that the product can continue to exist. Boy, that sounds an awful lot like the old "We had to destroy the village in order to save it" comment from the Vietnam war. I have to admit that this is the first time I've ever seen a programming tool compared to the Vietnam war. Ahem. The suggestion sounds ridiculous to me, though. There is nothing similar at all. -- Chris (TeamB); Back to top Gillmer J. Derge [TeamB] Guest Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 8:20 pm    Post subject: Re: The C++Builder IDE in Delphi 2005 is most disgusting mr_organic wrote: Quote: Boy, that sounds an awful lot like the old "We had to destroy the village in order to save it" comment from the Vietnam war. Someone posted that the user can choose whether to use the old MDI style or the new single window style. So now it does both, and you can pick which you prefer. How is that bad? -- Gillmer J. Derge [TeamB] Back to top Will DeWitt Jr. Guest Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:32 pm    Post subject: Re: The C++Builder IDE in Delphi 2005 is most disgusting Gillmer J. Derge [TeamB] wrote: Quote: Someone posted that the user can choose whether to use the old MDI style or the new single window style. So now it does both, and you can pick which you prefer. How is that bad? I guess some people liked having the choice made for them. :P Will -- Want a 64-bit Delphi compiler for AMD64 / IA-32e? Vote here-- http://qc.borland.com/wc/wc.exe/details?reportid=7324 Back to top Colin B Maharaj Guest Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 11:31 am    Post subject: Re: The C++Builder IDE in Delphi 2005 is most disgusting I have been writing software for years (with help from you folks - thanks) and what a distributor/installer likes is to open the software and have very little configuration out of the box. "Soon" there will be a version of delphi that will work on Linux and Windows for which you will have to choose a flavor then you will have to choose your language then you will have to choose you dev environment. Actually this is not a problem for me per say if you only have to do this once at install time. Software and hardware is getting more complex and I am willing to live with the consequences of more configuring. Microsoft has had the dawnting task of making all hardware and software and drivers work on a single computer, or PCs of all kinds. If there is going to be any issues with compatibility I wil have to understand that they are people and programmers just like us (except making more $$) and will have to be patient with any decisions the have come up with, or any situations that has arisen. Gillmer J. Derge [TeamB] wrote: Quote: mr_organic wrote: Boy, that sounds an awful lot like the old "We had to destroy the village in order to save it" comment from the Vietnam war. Someone posted that the user can choose whether to use the old MDI style or the new single window style. So now it does both, and you can pick which you prefer. How is that bad? Back to top cppgx Guest Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 4:02 pm    Post subject: Re: The C++Builder IDE in Delphi 2005 is most disgusting Thank god. That's the best. "dk_sz" <dk_sz (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Quote: You can configure the IDE to behave like god'old Delphi (floating windows/form-designer) in options... best regards Thomas Back to top Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] Guest Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 9:52 pm    Post subject: Re: The C++Builder IDE in Delphi 2005 is most disgusting cppgx wrote: Quote: Thank god. That's the best. "dk_sz" <dk_sz (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: You can configure the IDE to behave like god'old Delphi (floating windows/form-designer) in options... best regards Thomas IMO, you get used to not having it. I am used to the standard setup by now (with embedded designer and docked windows), and don't want to go back. I also noticed that some experts behave weirdly when the old setup is chosen. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] http://rvelthuis.bei.t-online.de "I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous." -- Brian Kernighan Back to top Sean Hoffman Guest Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 1:48 pm    Post subject: Re: The C++Builder IDE in Delphi 2005 is most disgusting I know this is late, but I thought it was encouraging. Sure, the IDE will be brought in under a single parent window initially (as opposed to having all the windows be children of the desktop), but that seems to be the way of things. Nothing too exciting except that it's there (something we weren't always sure would happen). One new thing I did notice the "Properties" tab on the Inspector window. Also, the "code completion" looked a little faster, though it's hard to tell, as in general the IDE looked a tad sluggish (Code complete in C++ Builder 6.0 is unusable in my opinion). It will be nice to be able to develop in C++ and Win32 again. I'm almost become a full-time .NET developer, and one thing that .NET is making evident is that .NET UI applications take up a HUGE memory footprint. It's not uncommon to see a moderate application taking up 120mb of memory footprint. Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote: Quote: Mark Jacobs wrote: What do you mean? I have not seen the IDE yet. What is the problem with it? Please expand on your discourse. There was a short BDNTV entry that showed a preview of it. 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