BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  The truth is out there          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Mike Collins Guest Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 11:27 pm    Post subject: The truth is out there Please excuse me for any miss giving that I may have here (I've been away from my computer for two weeks) BUT surely it is obvious that the new CBuilderX doesn't support VCL based development! If it did then Borland would simply state so (or TeamB would) and stop everyone fighting! I can only conclude that the lack of response and the absence of a date for the mystical 'open-letter' suggests that it doesn't, although I suspect that this letter will suggest some degree of support in the future blah, blah, blah. I'm (like many others here) totally confused about this one (as I mentioned I've been away) but is it proposed that CBuilderX will form a replacement / supersede C++Builder 6? If this is the case I will be most sad - in fact I think I will defiantly pack this all in and change carrier - life just wouldn't be the same without Builder, the VCL's and design-time form development (and Delphi smells). Alas I hope Borland hasn't abandoned all those trust developers (who have been paying £1500+ every year for there enterprise editions but their lack of response speaks volume here!!!! Back to top Gillmer J. Derge (TeamB) Guest Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 12:45 am    Post subject: Re: The truth is out there "Mike Collins" <mikec (AT) kr8 (DOT) co.uk> wrote Quote: Please excuse me for any miss giving that I may have here (I've been away from my computer for two weeks) BUT surely it is obvious that the new CBuilderX doesn't support VCL based development! The question isn't whether CBX does or doesn't support VCL development. It's whether it will or won't support it in the future. Like you said, the answer to, "Does CBX support VCL based development," is obvious. It doesn't. At least not in the way you probably mean. You can compile VCL code, you can edit VCL code, but there's no support for visual development like you've come to expect from the RAD tools like BCB and Delphi. The more interesting question is what kind of support for VCL based development CBX will have in the future. Will there be a translation tool that converts your VCL code to the new wxWindows framework? Will there be a portability layer that maps VCL calls to wxWindows? Will they take the framework-agnostic visual design platform and add support for VCL in addition to support for wxWindows? Will they just drop VCL entirely? Will they do something else? At this point we don't know those answers. That's part of what the two open letters should address. -- Gillmer J. Derge (TeamB) Back to top Larry Johnson Guest Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 3:44 am    Post subject: Re: The truth is out there So CBX doesn't support VCL so what. Isn't Borland going to replace VCL with something else. Don't they just have some new version of VCL named ??? They have to replace VCL with something because there is no other reason to use Borland compilers. What are they going to do tell all the programmers who use their compilers to program in raw APIs like animals:) By the way is the new CBX going to support the AMD-64 chip set? regards. "Gillmer J. Derge (TeamB)" <spam (AT) gillmerderge (DOT) com> wrote Quote: "Mike Collins" <mikec (AT) kr8 (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message news:3f7cb034$1 (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Please excuse me for any miss giving that I may have here (I've been away Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 4:12 am    Post subject: Re: The truth is out there "Larry Johnson" <Johnson222 (AT) ev1 (DOT) net> wrote Quote: So CBX doesn't support VCL so what. It is a big deal for a lot of people who will want to maintain existing projects using the new IDE. Quote: Isn't Borland going to replace VCL with something else. What makes you think that? The truth is, nobody knows what Borland is going to do with VCL, whether support it or chuck it. Borland hasn't said a peep about it one way or another yet. That information is not expected to be released for another week or so. Quote: Don't they just have some new version of VCL named ??? Not for C++, no. Delphi's VCL is being ported to .NET, though. Quote: They have to replace VCL with something Says who? Quote: because there is no other reason to use Borland compilers. Excuse me???? What is that supposed to mean? Even without the VCL, Borland has a good compiler. Borland was making compilers long before VCL was every conceived let alone implemented. And Borland is continuing to create compilers. CBX includes a preview of a brand new C++ compiler, with a full-blown version on the horizon. Gambit Back to top Jeff Weir Guest Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 1:52 pm    Post subject: Re: The truth is out there Remy Lebeau (TeamB) wrote: Quote: The truth is, nobody knows what Borland is going to do with VCL, whether support it or chuck it. Borland hasn't said a peep about it one way or another yet. That information is not expected to be released for another week or so. From the Octane Q & A on bdn.borland.com: <quote> DelphiTM and Borland® C++Builder®, and the Borland commitment to this development community has not changed. Borland believes that there are still many more Win32 Delphi applications yet to be built and plans to support and update the Win32 Delphi technology for the foreseeable future. The Win32 Delphi compiler will receive new language features to increase source code compatibility with .NET, and the VCL for Win32 will also be updated. </quote> It still doesn't say C++Builder will be updated to support the updated VCL but it does give us faint hope doesn't it? regards, jeff Back to top Remy Lebeau (TeamB) Guest Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 8:04 pm    Post subject: Re: The truth is out there "Jeff Weir" <jeffwnos (AT) pamcanscale (DOT) com> wrote Quote: From the Octane Q & A on bdn.borland.com: I'm aware of that letter. Octane applies to Delphi, not C++Builder. The two are not the same. Quote: It still doesn't say C++Builder will be updated to support the updated VCL but it does give us faint hope doesn't it? C++Builder, as you think of it, is no longer. BCB6 is the last of its kind for that type of IDE. Borland is already committed that CBX is the next C++ product. And if you re-read what I and many others have already stated earlier, information from Borland regarding VCL's future in CBX is forthcoming shortly. Gambit Back to top Ken de Camargo Jr. [*TTFK Guest Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2003 9:04 pm    Post subject: Re: The truth is out there Jeff Weir wrote: Quote: It still doesn't say C++Builder will be updated to support the updated VCL but it does give us faint hope doesn't it? Nope. Don't hold your breath. -- Ken [*The Team Formerly Known As D] MoNBH/MDNPEI http://planeta.terra.com.br/educacao/kencamargo/ Hey! Someone left a tagline here: Back to top Jeff Weir Guest Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 3:19 pm    Post subject: Re: The truth is out there Remy Lebeau (TeamB) wrote: Quote: I'm aware of that letter. Octane applies to Delphi, not C++Builder. The two are not the same. Thanks for the heads up, buddy. Your reply is so insightful. The letter I read does make reference to C++Builder though. Quote: C++Builder, as you think of it, is no longer. BCB6 is the last of its kind for that type of IDE. Borland is already committed that CBX is the next C++ product. And if you re-read what I and many others have already stated earlier, information from Borland regarding VCL's future in CBX is forthcoming shortly. Your insight is so refreshing - and blah, blah, blah. You've said it all before. I've seen it over and over and over again. Thanks for taking the time to reply though - not. Anyway... Can you tell me why Borland even mentions C++Builder in the Octane Q & A? It says "There are now over 2 million active Win32 developers between Borland® DelphiTM and Borland® C++Builder®, and the Borland commitment to this development community has not changed". And then in the same paragraph we are told how the VCL (which has always been written in OP/Delphi) will be updated. Why mention C++Builder in a Octane Q & A at all? Was it just a slip of the keyboard? Why does it take weeks and weeks to draft these letters if such an obvious mistake can be made? Yes, CBX is not C++Builder. Yeah, VCL users may never have a 100% Standard C++ compiler. So what. And isn't that what CBX is for anyway. You want use the VCL - great - just stop asking for boost and loki and ACE and better template support and so on. regards, jeff Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> C++ Builder (Non-Technical) All times are GMT Page 1 of 1   Jump to: Select a forum C++ Builder Newsgroups----------------C++ BuilderC++ Builder (ActiveX)C++ Builder (Announcements)C++ Builder (Command Line Tools)C++ Builder DatabasesC++ Builder Databases (ADO)C++ Builder Databases (Desktop)C++ Builder Databases (InterBase Express)C++ Builder Databases (Multi-Tier)C++ Builder Databases (SQL Servers)C++ Builder (Graphics)C++ Builder (IDE)C++ Builder (Internet)C++ Builder (Internet Socket)C++ Builder (Internet Web)C++ Builder (Jobs)C++ Builder (Language)C++ Builder (Language C++)C++ Builder (Compatibility with MFC)C++ Builder (Native API)C++ Builder (Non-Technical)C++ Builder (Students)C++ Builder (Third Party Tools)C++ Builder (Upgrade)C++ Builder (VCL)C++ Builder (VCL Components Usage)C++ Builder (VCL Components Development)C++ Builder (VCL Usage)C++ Builder (WinAPI)C++ Builder Installation Delphi Newsgroups----------------Delphi (General)Delphi ActiveX Controls UsageDelphi ActiveX Controls DevelopmentDelphi As400Delphi DatabasesDelphi Databases (ADO)Delphi Databases (dbExpress)Delphi Databases (Desktop)Delphi Databases (InterBase Express)Delphi Databases (Multi-Tier)Delphi Databases (SQL Servers)Delphi DeploymentDelphi GraphicsDelphi IDEDelphi InternationalizationDelphi InternetDelphi Internet Isapi-WebBrokerDelphi Internet WebSnapDelphi Internet WinsockDelphi JobsDelphi Language BASMDelphi Language ObjectPascalDelphi Model Driven Architecture (General)Delphi Model Driven Architecture (Third Party)Delphi MultimediaDelphi Native APIDelphi Non-TechnicalDelphi ObjectPascalDelphi OLE AutomationDelphi OO designDelphi OpenToolsAPIDelphi Reporting-ChartingDelphi RTLDelphi StudentsDelphi TeamSourceDelphi Thirdparty ToolsDelphi Thirdparty Tools (General)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (IntraWeb)Delphi Thirdparty Tools (RaveReports)Delphi UpgradeDelphi VCLDelphi VCL ComponentsDelphi VCL Components UsingDelphi VCL Components WritingDelphi WebServices SOAPDelphi WinAPIDelphi XMLDelphi Installationcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.misccomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.usagecomp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.writingcomp.lang.pascal.delphi.databasescomp.lang.pascal.delphi.misccomp.sources.delphi JBuilder Newsgroups----------------JBuilderJBuilder AnnouncementsJBuilder Applet IssuesJBuilder As400JBuilder CompilerJBuilder CORBA/RMIJBuilder DatabasesJBuilder DB SwingJBuilder DebuggerJBuilder DeploymentJBuilder DocumentationJBuilder EnterpriseJBuilder HandheldJBuilder IDEJBuilder JavaJBuilder JavaAPIJBuilder Java LanguageJBuilder Java SwingJBuilder Java BeansJBuilder Java Beans UsageJBuilder Java Beans DevelopmentJBuilder JBCLJBuilder JDataStoreJBuilder JobsJBuilder LinuxJBuilder MacintoshJBuilder & MobileSetJBuilder MultiLingual AppsJBuilder Non-TechnicalJBuilder OpenToolsJBuilder Servlets (JSP)JBuilder StudentsJBuilder Team DevelopmentJBuilder Thirdparty ToolsJBuilder UpgradeJBuilder Installation InterBase Newsgroups----------------InterBaseInterBase Bug DiscussionInterBase GeneralInterBase IBConsoleInterBase OpenSourceInterBase ReplicationInterBase SQLInterBase ThirdpartyInterBase Installation Miscellaneous Borland Newsgroups----------------AppCenterAppServerEnteraVisiBroker  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2006 phpBB Group SEO toolkit © 2004-2006 webmedic.