BorlandTalk.com Borland discussion newsgroups   Archives   FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Time for me to move away from Paradox?          BorlandTalk.com Forum Index -> Delphi Databases (Desktop) View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Mark Thorogood Guest Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 10:22 am    Post subject: Time for me to move away from Paradox? Hi We have been using Paradox (with much success) as our main database for desktop based applications for around 7 years. I now feel it is time to move to another format due to depreciated BDE and general lack of further development. I am interested in others opinions regarding the suitability of the following as a replacement: 1. Advantage Local Server - This appears free (cannot complain about that!) and has a server edition that is useful if application requires it (although we tend to use MSDE where we need to support a small number of concurrent users, and would generally prefer MS SQL Server for greater numbers). 2. DBISAM - cost involved, Delphi Informant 2004 Best Database Engine Award. 3. NexusDB - Just released a free version of their Embedded Single user edition (not crippled in any way), I am very interested in their developments regarding an ADO Provider which should operate within the Compact Framework (we do quite a bit of development on PDAs). Regards Mark Thorogood - Managing Director/Senior Developer, Thorogood Software Limited Back to top Frank Marousek Guest Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Time for me to move away from Paradox? Hi Mark, I recently replaced Paradox with Advantage Local Server in one of my applications with no problems. It was a relatively painless transition. Please ask if you have specific questions/issues you're concerned about. Frank -- "Mark Thorogood" <mark (AT) thorogoodsoftware (DOT) co.uk> wrote Quote: Hi We have been using Paradox (with much success) as our main database for desktop based applications for around 7 years. I now feel it is time to move to another format due to depreciated BDE and general lack of further development. I am interested in others opinions regarding the suitability of the following as a replacement: 1. Advantage Local Server - This appears free (cannot complain about that!) and has a server edition that is useful if application requires it (although we tend to use MSDE where we need to support a small number of concurrent users, and would generally prefer MS SQL Server for greater numbers). 2. DBISAM - cost involved, Delphi Informant 2004 Best Database Engine Award. 3. NexusDB - Just released a free version of their Embedded Single user edition (not crippled in any way), I am very interested in their developments regarding an ADO Provider which should operate within the Compact Framework (we do quite a bit of development on PDAs). Regards Mark Thorogood - Managing Director/Senior Developer, Thorogood Software Limited Back to top Ken Brumback Guest Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Time for me to move away from Paradox? Mark, You will be well served by moving to Advantage. I use the product in a client/server and local mode (Yes, local server is free) with great success. Extended Systems has some white papers detailing their product along MS SQL server. http://resolution.extendedsystems.com/ADS/Product+Detail/_FAQs+and+Data+Sheets.htm - Pick: "Advantage Database Server or Microsoft SQL Server: Which One is Right for You?" Also see: http://resolution.extendedsystems.com/ADS/Success+Stories/_Case+Studies.htm ESI also has training for Advantage from their tech support and R&D folks a few times a year in Boise, ID. I've been three times and it was well worth it. They also have an ADO provider. Ken Brumback INS, Inc. Borland Delphi Certified Developer "Mark Thorogood" <mark (AT) thorogoodsoftware (DOT) co.uk> wrote Quote: Hi We have been using Paradox (with much success) as our main database for desktop based applications for around 7 years. I now feel it is time to move to another format due to depreciated BDE and general lack of further development. I am interested in others opinions regarding the suitability of the following as a replacement: 1. Advantage Local Server - This appears free (cannot complain about that!) and has a server edition that is useful if application requires it (although we tend to use MSDE where we need to support a small number of concurrent users, and would generally prefer MS SQL Server for greater numbers). 2. DBISAM - cost involved, Delphi Informant 2004 Best Database Engine Award. 3. NexusDB - Just released a free version of their Embedded Single user edition (not crippled in any way), I am very interested in their developments regarding an ADO Provider which should operate within the Compact Framework (we do quite a bit of development on PDAs). Regards Mark Thorogood - Managing Director/Senior Developer, Thorogood Software Limited Back to top Mark Thorogood Guest Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 3:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Time for me to move away from Paradox? Thanks for both responses. I am currently appraising the Advantage product using ADO, will get to others in due course. 2 votes for Advantage then. Regards Mark Thorogood "Ken Brumback" <kbrumback (AT) arl (DOT) i-n-s.com> wrote Quote: Mark, You will be well served by moving to Advantage. I use the product in a client/server and local mode (Yes, local server is free) with great success. Extended Systems has some white papers detailing their product along MS SQL server. http://resolution.extendedsystems.com/ADS/Product+Detail/_FAQs+and+Data+Sheets.htm - Pick: "Advantage Database Server or Microsoft SQL Server: Which One is Right for You?" Also see: http://resolution.extendedsystems.com/ADS/Success+Stories/_Case+Studies.htm ESI also has training for Advantage from their tech support and R&D folks a few times a year in Boise, ID. I've been three times and it was well worth it. They also have an ADO provider. Ken Brumback INS, Inc. Borland Delphi Certified Developer "Mark Thorogood" <mark (AT) thorogoodsoftware (DOT) co.uk> wrote in message news:41875fff (AT) newsgroups (DOT) borland.com... Hi We have been using Paradox (with much success) as our main database for desktop based applications for around 7 years. I now feel it is time to move to another format due to depreciated BDE and general lack of further development. I am interested in others opinions regarding the suitability of the following as a replacement: 1. Advantage Local Server - This appears free (cannot complain about that!) and has a server edition that is useful if application requires it (although we tend to use MSDE where we need to support a small number of concurrent users, and would generally prefer MS SQL Server for greater numbers). 2. DBISAM - cost involved, Delphi Informant 2004 Best Database Engine Award. 3. NexusDB - Just released a free version of their Embedded Single user edition (not crippled in any way), I am very interested in their developments regarding an ADO Provider which should operate within the Compact Framework (we do quite a bit of development on PDAs). Regards Mark Thorogood - Managing Director/Senior Developer, Thorogood Software Limited Back to top Don Gollahon Guest Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:41 am    Post subject: Re: Time for me to move away from Paradox? I would suggest Firebird, www.ibphoenix.com. Excellent database. Open-source. Easy to use. FAST. I've migrated most of my work to it. -- _________________________________________ Don Gollahon [email]dlgllhn (AT) InHisStepsSoftware (DOT) com[/email] ICQ#: 115831669 "What in Eternity does it matter?" _________________________________________ "Mark Thorogood" <mark (AT) thorogoodsoftware (DOT) co.uk> wrote Quote: Hi We have been using Paradox (with much success) as our main database for desktop based applications for around 7 years. I now feel it is time to move to another format due to depreciated BDE and general lack of further development. I am interested in others opinions regarding the suitability of the following as a replacement: 1. Advantage Local Server - This appears free (cannot complain about that!) and has a server edition that is useful if application requires it (although we tend to use MSDE where we need to support a small number of concurrent users, and would generally prefer MS SQL Server for greater numbers). 2. DBISAM - cost involved, Delphi Informant 2004 Best Database Engine Award. 3. NexusDB - Just released a free version of their Embedded Single user edition (not crippled in any way), I am very interested in their developments regarding an ADO Provider which should operate within the Compact Framework (we do quite a bit of development on PDAs). Regards Mark Thorogood - Managing Director/Senior Developer, Thorogood Software Limited Back to top Bill Todd Guest Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Time for me to move away from Paradox? The problem with Firebird and any other SQL database server is you have to make a lot of changes to most Paradox apps to get good performance with a SQL database server. Advantange, on the other hand, mimics Paradox's navigational architecture so there is much less conversion effort. -- Bill (TeamB) TeamB cannot answer questions received via email Don Gollahon wrote: Quote: I would suggest Firebird, www.ibphoenix.com. Excellent database. Open-source. Easy to use. FAST. I've migrated most of my work to it. Back to top Hüseyin Aliz Guest Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Time for me to move away from Paradox? DBISAM :) "Bruno Lovatti" <blovatti(remove this)@terra.com.br> wrote Quote: NexusDB Back to top Don Gollahon Guest Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 4:12 am    Post subject: Re: Time for me to move away from Paradox? "Bill Todd" <no (AT) no (DOT) com> wrote Quote: The problem with Firebird and any other SQL database server is you have to make a lot of changes to most Paradox apps to get good performance Not that hard, really. I use IBObjects. Most things converted with simple search and replace of the objects. The database can be fine-tuned later as one learns to use stored procedures and triggers where appropriate. Quote: with a SQL database server. Advantange, on the other hand, mimics Paradox's navigational architecture so there is much less conversion effort. -- Bill (TeamB) TeamB cannot answer questions received via email -- _________________________________________ Don Gollahon [email]dlgllhn (AT) InHisStepsSoftware (DOT) com[/email] ICQ#: 115831669 "What in Eternity does it matter?" _________________________________________ Back to top Bill Todd Guest Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 1:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Time for me to move away from Paradox? Did your Paradox app use TTables? I am referring to the problem described in http://community.borland.com/article/0,1410,28160,00.html -- Bill (TeamB) TeamB cannot answer questions received via email Back to top Don Gollahon Guest Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:31 am    Post subject: Re: Time for me to move away from Paradox? "Bill Todd" <no (AT) no (DOT) com> wrote Quote: Did your Paradox app use TTables? I am referring to the problem described in http://community.borland.com/article/0,1410,28160,00.html Initially, with IB Express, there were some problems. But IBObjects worked better. TTables are implemented differently. Eventually I did go thru and convert to TIBOQueries to get the full capabilities of SQL. But to get an app going quickly on Client/Server from Paradox the straight conversion worked well. IBPump is a great tool to easily transfer the data itself. It is freeware: http://www.clevercomponents.com/products/datapump/ibdatapump.asp -- _________________________________________ Don Gollahon [email]dlgllhn (AT) InHisStepsSoftware (DOT) com[/email] ICQ#: 115831669 "What in Eternity does it matter?" _________________________________________ Back to top Mark Thorogood Guest Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 7:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Time for me to move away from Paradox? Hi All FYI, after creating an application to test the performance and connectivity issues of various Paradox replacement databases we have chosen the Advantage Local Server database although I will be monitoring the situation regarding the next version of NexusDB which I was generally impressed with. Main reasons for selection were: 1. Free Local Server. 2. Free ADO and ODBC drivers worked correctly with many of our 3rd party software e.g. Visio for Enterprise Architechs, Microsoft Visio Modeller although if used ADO would either use MS Access or MSDE due to better performance. 3. Performance was good for both SQL and direct table connections (although embedded NexusDB in many of my tests was significantly faster on my Athlon 64 PC, similar performance on slower machines) 4. Import data tool very comprehensive and worked well. 5. Support looks good as I had found a bug in the version of the ADO driver I was using and issue was dealt with promptly. 6. Although the database configuration tool looks a bit dated (hint <g>) it is comprehensive enough to carry out most of the tasks you would expect. Thanks to all who responded. Regards Mark Thorogood "Mark Thorogood" <mark (AT) thorogoodsoftware (DOT) co.uk> wrote Quote: Hi We have been using Paradox (with much success) as our main database for desktop based applications for around 7 years. I now feel it is time to move to another format due to depreciated BDE and general lack of further development. I am interested in others opinions regarding the suitability of the following as a replacement: 1. Advantage Local Server - This appears free (cannot complain about that!) and has a server edition that is useful if application requires it (although we tend to use MSDE where we need to support a small number of concurrent users, and would generally prefer MS SQL Server for greater numbers). 2. DBISAM - cost involved, Delphi Informant 2004 Best Database Engine Award. 3. NexusDB - Just released a free version of their Embedded Single user edition (not crippled in any way), I am very interested in their developments regarding an ADO Provider which should operate within the Compact Framework (we do quite a bit of development on PDAs). 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